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Bush on Iraq; Politics of War; Iraq: Year Four; Blueprint for New Orleans; Helping a Stranger; Fake Doctor; Drowsy Driving
Aired March 20, 2006 - 23:00 ET
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ...better collate and make sure that the intelligence gathering is seamless across a variety of gatherers and people that analyze.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, with the war in Iraq costing $19,600 per U.S. household, how do you expect a generation of young people such as ourselves to afford college at a time like this when we're paying for a war in Iraq?
BUSH: Yes. Well, our -- hold on a minute. Hold on. We can do more than one thing at one time. And when you grow your economy like we're growing our economy, there is an opportunity, not only to protect ourselves, but also to provide more Pell grants than any administration in our nation's history and include student loan program.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How is it, Mr. President, that Iran today is really different from what Iraq was three years ago?
BUSH: And one difference was that in Iraq there was a series of unanimous resolutions that basically held the Iraqi government to account, which Saddam Hussein ignored. It was just like resolution after resolution after resolution.
The Iranian issue is just beginning to play out. And my hope, of course, as I said earlier, that we're able to solve this issue diplomatically.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel that Iraq is like a honeycomb and that we can draw the al Qaeda there so we can stand and fight them there? I'm really asking for clarification.
BUSH: Sure. What I'm saying to you ma'am, is that there is a battle for Iraq now, but it's just a part of the war on terror. It's a theater in the war on terror.
Afghanistan was a theater. We're in a global battle which requires strong alliances, good cooperation, and a constant reminder of the nature of this war.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: That, of course, were just excerpts from the Q and A session which occurred after the president's address today in Cleveland.
As we said, how you see the war in Iraq can't be separated really from the politics that shape it. But those politics are not static. As the polls clearly show, support for the war is slipping -- seriously slipping. And for the Democrats, with mid-term elections just eight months away, that may mean opportunity.
Here's CNN's Candy Crowley.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Ohio has lost more than 100 of its own in Iraq. An average of three funerals every month for three years.
In late 2002, Representative Sherrod Brown voted no on the Iraq resolution, opposed to the war when the country was not. That was then, this is now.
REPRESENTATIVE SHERROD BROWN (D), OHIO: I see from every indication two out of three Ohioans saying this war has been badly managed by the civilians in the White House and the Pentagon, valiantly fought by soldiers and Marines, but badly managed.
CROWLEY: This year Brown is running for Senate in Ohio, for a seat now occupied by a Republican in a state that has twice gone Bush.
BROWN: I think what's clear is that Republican leaders in this state all found excuses not to show up to see President Bush. That tells me that they don't buy what President Bush is saying about Iraq.
CROWLEY: Brown is part of a recurring Democratic vision, winning enough seats in elections this November to take control of the House and Senate.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN MURTHA (D), PENNSYLVANIA: But I think you'll see a substantial change in the government. I think -- this -- no mistake about it, this is President Bush's war. This election will all be about the war.
CROWLEY: The change of fortunes is both palpable and provable. In the weeks before the war started, 53 percent of Americans thought Republicans would do a better job dealing with Iraq; 29 percent said Democrats.
Now Americans say Democrats would do a better job. A 19 point gain for Democrats since the war began.
HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIR: President's Chief Adviser Karl Rove says he's going to run on security. Well, to quote a famous American, bring it on.
CROWLEY: For the first time since 9/11, Democrats are ready to take on the president's strong suit. As members set off for home recently, the office of Democratic Leader Harry Reid issued a seven- page call to arms, urging Democrats to put themselves with veterans or in military settings, to take on the president. It is more important than ever, it said, for us to focus on security, at home and abroad.
It is a new course for Democrats who originally planned to frame this election on what they called the culture of corruption. But there are new buzz words now.
SENATOR JOE BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: What the American people are holding this administration accountable for is their dangerous incompetence.
CROWLEY: Dangerous incompetence, absolute incompetence -- it is showing up in press releases and interviews.
BROWN: This war has been absolutely incompetently run.
CROWLEY: All the leading indicators tell Democrats they're on the right track, that a difficult war colors all other issues in their favor.
But a war gone sour can turn around, and eight months is several lifetimes in an election year.
COOPER: Our reporters are covering all the angles on the story, and there seem to be new angles just about every day.
Candy Crowley joins me now, along with Nic Robertson and John King. They've all been working the story since the beginning. It's good to have you on the program.
Candy, it's interesting that the Democrats have raised so much in the polls on this issue. And yet they really are not unified. They don't really have a plan for Iraq.
CROWLEY: Well, and in fact, when you ask Americans do the Democrats have a plan, something like 68 percent say no, they don't, which is about the same number as say that President Bush doesn't have a plan.
But really at this point what the Democrats are looking at, they are beneficiaries of the president's freefall. It didn't happen for a while. And at this point, what the American public seems to be saying is, you know, let's give, you know, the Democrats now seem like maybe they'd be better to handle it.
As we said, you know, it can all turn around. But the fact of the matter is, that the Democrats on this sort of teeter totter, that is politics, when the Democrats go up, Republicans go down and vice versa.
The Democrats clearly think that at this point, national security, the war in Iraq, homeland security, and things like that, they can really play to. And it's the first election since George Bush was elected -- 2002, 2004 and now, it's the first election they've really felt strong enough to take him on, on this suit. COOPER: John King, it's interesting, though, listening to the Democrats. I was listening to Barbara Boxer on "LARRY KING" earlier tonight, and you know, when asked about her plan, she -- basically Democrats are, you know, quick to criticize getting into the war, how the administration sold the war originally. Do they need to come up with, you know, a battle plan moving forward in order to continue making this an issue that goes in their favor?
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: If you talk to Democratic strategists, many of them would say, no, at least when you're in the national discussions you can make it about this president was in charge, this is this president's war, this president has failed.
The key question, though Anderson, will be, what is the climate like in Iraq come August, September, into October. Then in race by race. And some of those individual races -- especially if you're running against a Republican incumbent, you're going to have to prove your credentials on security -- not just by criticizing the president. Democrats understand that. That is though one of the internal fights within the party.
Some of those who trying to manage House races and Senate races, say we need to have our own position. Some of the more liberal members of Congress say, no, just kick the president. That is an evolving debate. And, of course, it won't matter until we get much closer to the elections.
COOPER: John King talks about facts on the ground.
Let's go to Nic Robertson, who is in Baghdad. Nic, Former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said unequivocally this weekend, Iraq is in the middle of a civil war.
You have General Casey then, the U.S. military commander, saying that not only is there no civil war in Iraq, but it's not imminent or even inevitable.
What are the Iraqi people -- you were just in an Iraqi household -- what are they saying?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They're divided. I think when you talk to the religious conservatives on both sides of the sectarian divide, Sunni and Shia, they would believe that the country is at a civil war. They feel their communities are pitted against each other.
I think a lot of people still feel that they're caught in the middle, they're still confused. They're very concerned that a civil war could come. They're very concerned about the tit for tat sectarian killings in their neighborhoods -- 3,700 families have shifted homes just recently in Iraq because of the sectarian violence.
So, I think there are a lot of people in the middle, whose minds still aren't made up on it. They just know when they go about their daily lives, they're in danger. That's their worry -- Anderson. COOPER: Candy Crowley, how big a concern for this White House is dissension among Republicans?
CROWLEY: Well, look, you know, you need to keep some people -- the more those poll numbers fall, and every time we say, boy, this is the lowest they've ever been, you know, a new poll comes out and it's lower than that.
It's always difficult -- not on the war so much, not on the prosecution of the war, although it's not sustainable, I would argue for two years, but in the immediate future, if the president wants to get anything done, the weaker his hand, the less likely he's going to be able to play it. And obviously, when Republicans start to abandon him on the war, it makes him weaker on everything else.
COOPER: John, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wrote in the "Washington Post" yesterday, and I quote, "Turning our backs on postwar Iraq today would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis." There's been criticism of that analogy.
How much support does Rumsfeld have in the Bush White House?
KING: Well, in the White House, Anderson, I can tell you there are people in significant positions who wish the defense secretary no longer had his job. But those people will not allow us to attach their names to that. They will not even allow us to say where they might work in the White House because they say that Secretary Rumsfeld still has the president's support.
If you hear the Democrats, the president would not only gain new favor with the American people, but he would gain friends around the world if he would fire the defense secretary.
And Mr. Rumsfeld, we should note, has at least twice told the president if you want me to go, here's my resignation. But the president says he wants Secretary Rumsfeld there.
And what most senior White House officials tell you is, while this president is not happy with every decision made at the Pentagon, not happy with everything his defense secretary says, that he believes changing the leadership at the Pentagon in the middle of a war would be a dangerous mistake.
COOPER: Nic, Senator Joe Biden, Democrat from Delaware, said we're worse off in Iraq today than we were a year ago.
Would the Iraqi people say they are worse off than a year ago?
ROBERTSON: I think they would have a little more hope than a year ago. They've had two successful elections. The most recent election will put a government in place for four years. They would look at that and say, yes, that the sort of beacon of hope at the end of all of this is getting brighter. But they would also look at the violence around them and say we're still in danger.
I keep coming back to the people feel that they're in danger. It sounds incredibly repetitive, but it's what people continue to tell us. So I think the Iraqis would always tell us that they're hopeful about the outcome. They're very -- that's all they can hope for. They can only hope it can get better. They live here. Whatever happens, they've got to put up with it. So, the fact that the political process is moving forward does give them some hope -- Anderson.
COOPER: Nic Robertson, John King, Candy Crowley, thanks.
Troubling news about a doctor stripped of his license, but who just kept just on practicing -- or more like it, pretending to practice. Fake vaccines, fake blood tests, and what did he do with HIV positive blood samples? All of this has rocked a community. We'll have that story, coming up.
Also, a 360 viewer responds to the plight of a Katrina victim. And what a difference she has made.
And the truth about those mega bucks corporate fines. It turns out that government is often collecting a lot less than the headlines might suggest. We'll give you the shocking cash figure. And guess what? The taxpayers are footing the bill, when 360 continues. We're "Keeping them Honest."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We went to the moon. You're going to tell me that 40 years later we cannot figure out a system that can mitigate floods? A system of pumps? From an engineering standpoint, I think it is very laughable that we continue to hear stuff on that level.
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COOPER: Some of the anger and frustration in New Orleans at a news conference tonight as Mayor Ray Nagin unveiled his blueprint for the city's recovery.
Earlier in the day, he told "The Times-Picayune," that he wasn't going to sugarcoat it. He warned that residents should are have no illusions. Struggling neighborhoods should not expect police patrols, functioning sewers, or even weekly garbage collection.
CNN's Susan Roesgen was there tonight. She's watching the developing story.
Susan, "The Times-Picayune" headline today was, "Rebuild but at Your Own Risk." Was that the mayor's message as well tonight?
SUSAN ROESGEN, CNN GULF COAST CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Anderson, the message still was rebuild at your own risk, but he didn't talk about some of the other things that the paper had said he was going to talk about tonight.
In fact, he presented a really rosy view of the future of the city of New Orleans -- a smarter, safer, stronger city. This new blueprint, he says, calls for residents to be able to rebuild wherever they want, but the plan comes with a warning.
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RAY NAGIN, MAYOR, NEW ORLEANS: The Army Corps of Engineers has warned me that some of our most -- our lowest-lying areas of New Orleans East and in the lower Ninth Ward, will have some flooding from levees overtopping if another hurricane travels along the same path as Katrina. Even with the restoration of higher, better fortified levees.
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ROESGEN: Now, the mayor didn't spell out exactly which areas might not be fully redeveloped with city services that the paper said he was going to talk about tonight.
Instead, some people in the audience said those low-lying areas that the mayor is talking about are New Orleans East and the Lower Ninth Ward, predominantly poor African-American areas. And people who live there are very afraid that the message they are getting is that the city will eventually abandon them.
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BABATUNJI AHMED, NEW ORLEANS RESIDENT: A smaller blueprint means you don't want my mama back. You don't want my grandkids back! You don't want my sisters and my brothers with this smaller blueprint.
ALBERT CLARK, NEW ORLEANS RESIDENT: This is a racist, no good rotten committee. It doesn't represent the grass root. It doesn't represent poor folks. It represent the rich, the ruling class.
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ROESGEN: That is some of what the mayor heard tonight, Anderson, but it could have been worse. Some of the committee member who drafted that report told me privately that the mayor watered down many of their recommendations and they say it's because they don't think anybody in city government right now has the guts to do what it takes to make the tough decisions to keep this city going.
COOPER: It deed seem, politically, that -- I mean, that what we heard tonight was largely a political speech. I mean, the article in "The Times-Picayune," the mayor was incredibly king of forthright and just saying, look, if you do -- you can rebuild wherever you want to rebuild, but we can't guarantee that we'll ever be able to provide services for you there, police protection, sewage, garbage collection. And basically, I mean, he's giving the best of both worlds. He's able to say you, you can rebuild wherever you want to rebuild. But in truth, you can't really rebuild there.
ROESGEN: Well, you know, he's running for reelection. And he is trying to appeal to many people who were evacuated from those areas. I don't think he wants to lie to anyone, certainly not, but you're right. He's not talking about perhaps pulling back on police services, sewer services, fire services in those areas. He says come on back and you'll make the decision whether you want to stay here or not.
But in truth, Anderson, we just don't know. A city with a much smaller tax base, with only a third of the population that it used to have, probably would not be able to support vast areas that got so badly hit.
COOPER: Well, again, it's just one of those things that's frustrating for people and probably beyond just frustrating, is that, you know, here's the plan, the big pronounced plan, and yet it's still not really clear what that means. I mean, yes, you can rebuild, but there will be no services. So, again, the people in New Orleans are still waiting.
Susan Roesgen, thanks.
Just as there's no end in site to the hard work that lies ahead for Katrina's victims, neither is there an end to goodwill and compassion shown them by other Americans.
So many people down there, kids on their spring breaks from college spending it down in New Orleans, spending it down in Mississippi, trying to help people rebuild.
Watch how a 360 viewer reacted to our story of a Mississippi woman.
Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We visited 75-year-old Mary Parker during Mardi Gras week at the house she had stayed in for more than six months after Hurricane Katrina.
(On camera): Now, it feels like the house is slanted.
MARY PARKER, HURRICANE KATRINA SURVIVOR: Yes, it is.
TUCHMAN: And so it's off the foundation?
TUCHMAN (voice-over): The hurricane put holes in the roof and the sides of the house.
FEMA did not approve her application for a trailer and because she didn't want to be an imposition on relatives, Mary, a diabetic who lost a nephew in the hurricane, continued to live in her leaky home.
(On camera): So you get $535 a month Social Security, which is about $135 a week, and that's all the money you have to live on?
PARKER: Yes. TUCHMAN: Nothing else?
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Her story saddened many of our viewers, including Sharon Jernigan of Hanover, Maryland.
SHARON JERNIGAN, MARYLAND RESIDENT: She's just somebody that we saw on the television, but it just kind of broke our hearts.
TUCHMAN: Sharon owns a concrete pumping company. She also owns as luxury trailer she realized she could afford to spare.
JERNIGAN: We just wanted to give it to her and give a nice home.
TUCHMAN: Sharon called Mary to tell her about the gift and then asked an employee, Michael Dean, to drive it the 1,100 miles to Gulf Port, Mississippi, which he was glad to do.
MICHAEL DEAN, EMPLOYEE OF JERNIGAN CONCRETE PUMPING COMPANY: She does have a home to live in, and you hate to see anybody not have a place to live.
TUCHMAN: Mary, whose home was torn down earlier this month because it was in danger of collapse, excitedly waited with some family members for this most special gift.
And after a 17-hour drive...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, that is nice.
PARKER: It's beautiful. Real pretty.
TUCHMAN: Her new home had arrived.
DEAN: Hi, I'm Mike, with Jernigan Concrete Company. Sharon sent me with a house for you.
PARKER: Oh, it's wonderful. I'm so proud of you all, letting me have it.
DEAN: Come on straight back.
TUCHMAN: Mike and some of Mary's family members helped set the 40-foot trailer up in the same spot where her house had stood for more than 50 years.
Mary was a bit dazed that a woman she didn't know could just send this to her, no strings attached.
PARKER: She did give it to me? Or what?
TUCHMAN (on camera): Oh yes. She's giving you this. How do you feel about that?
PARKER: It's wonderful. TUCHMAN (on camera): This is yours. She gave it to you. The kindness of one woman.
(Voice-over): The trailer was hooked up to electricity and water and fully stocked, courtesy of the Jernigan Concrete Pumping Company.
DEAN: That's where you set your TV at.
DEAN: Box of canned goods. All the shelves are full. A bunch of the guys from work donated food, so you could have food. Furnished -- broke your first glass.
TUCHMAN: But there are a lot more glasses for Mary. And a bedroom which she proudly told family members is the fanciest she has ever had.
PARKER: My Lord! This is wonderful.
TUCHMAN: Sharon Jernigan called to see how Mary liked the trailer. Her words were few.
PARKER: Well, you know, I appreciate you very much, always.
TUCHMAN: But heartfelt. Mary Parker, who hasn't had many breaks in life, has now gotten one.
COOPER: That is just a remarkable story.
Why did FEMA not approve her application for a trailer, Gary?
TUCHMAN: Well, Anderson, Mary says that FEMA told her, her house wasn't damaged enough. But after we did the initial story, FEMA said they would re-look at the situation, and they're still looking at it.
But Mary says if FEMA comes back and tells her, yes, you can get a trailer, she will say, no thank you, I've already got me one.
COOPER: Well, thanks to Sharon Jernigan and her company, just a great American out there just helping out a fellow neighbor.
Thanks very much, Gary.
And thank you, Ms. Jernigan.
Just ahead, they went to the doctor, but he wasn't really a doctor, not anymore. That story is coming up.
First, Erica Hill has some of the other stories we're following right now -- Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi Anderson. We're actually going to start off with the death penalty trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. Under cross-examination, the FBI agent who arrested him in August of 2001, said he spent almost a month trying warn U.S. officials about the student pilot, but that criminal negligence by superiors in Washington thwarted a chance to stop the 9/11 attacks. Now prosecutors allege Moussaoui's lies and not official incompetence were to blame. And say for that, he should die.
President Bush's nomination of Vice Admiral Thad Allen to be Coast Guard commandant is being held up now by Republican Senator John Ensign. Now, the Senator, using an obscure rule here to stall the nomination, reportedly over concerns about Admiral Allen's performance during relief operations after Hurricane Katrina.
And you know, just a little piece of a friendly advice from your friends here at "A.C. 360," if you're going to be a cross-dressing thief or maybe if you're just wearing stockings when you steal something, don't get them stuck in the car door. Police in Monterey, California, say that's just how they caught their -- well, man, I guess. A Saab matched the description of the getaway car in a convenience store holdup, but then cops saw the fishnets and pulled him over.
A pair of baby marmoset monkeys, along with several other animals stolen from England's Exmoor Zoo. The marmosets were part of the only breed found in the country -- ooh they're loud too -- and at just 4 weeks old, there actually is a lot of concern tonight that they may not survive. They weren't even named yet. Poor little guys.
Are those the six-legged sheep?
COOPER: Yes, those are -- that's our sheep noise. And we decided whenever you're going to do an animal -- there you go. Whenever there's an animal story. I'll see your stolen marmosets and I'll raise you a stolen penguin. Do you remember that story?
HILL: Oh, I do remember it. Toga, was his name or something?
COOPER: This was Toga, yes, out of England. Has yet to be found, we are told. A penguin stolen.
HILL: Poor little Toga.
HILL: At least he had a name, unlike the marmosets. I have to say, though, I would have thought you would have raised me with a smoking chimp, being we were talking monkeys.
COOPER: I couldn't hear you over the sound of the sheep.
HILL: Just some sheep.
COOPER: Erica Hill, thanks very much.
So, who do you trust more than your doctor? After all, you trust him with your life. But for countless patients in one city, that may have been a huge mistake. Phony vaccines, unsanitary practices, the guy had no license, yet he was still on a government-approved list. How could that happen? Well, we'll find out.
And when the government issues huge fines, it sounds like justice is being done, right? But is anyone collecting those billions of dollars? Or is the bill just ending up on your doorstep? Tonight we're "Keeping them Honest."
COOPER: Well, a recent Gallup poll asked Americans to rank the top ten professional groups for honesty and trustworthiness. Now, doctors and nurses topped the list, as you might expect. But do not tell that to the patients of this guy, Dr. Stephen Turner in California.
He'll be in court this Thursday. Now the reason is that he's accused of violating his patients' trust in just about every way imaginable. What's more? He had a government stamp of approval.
CNN's Ted Rowlands investigates.
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Stephen Turner's troubles started in March of 1984 when according to documents from the California Medical Board, he was accused of masturbating in front of two female minors at the U.S.C. Medical Center in Los Angeles.
In 1992, he surrendered his medical license after allegedly exposing himself to a woman in northern California.
STEPHEN TURNER, FORMER DOCTOR: I was in a desperate situation.
ROWLANDS: Despite losing his license, Stephen Turner says he kept practicing medicine.
TURNER: It's one of those things that just built up.
ROWLANDS: Turner's name was still on a government list of recommended doctors to do required medical testing for people applying for green cards. Turner says he took advantage of an opportunity.
TURNER: There was an office in San Francisco that I shared with an immigration attorney. And he -- he did the solicitations and got the patients to come over.
ROWLANDS: The lawyer has not been charged with anything. He denies any involvement. Turner's name is still on the directory at that office building in San Francisco's Mission District.
(On camera): People came to see Dr. Turner because in order to get a green card, they needed to be tested for things like HIV and hepatitis and they also needed vaccinations. Well, when they got here, Turner would take their blood, but he never sent it for testing and he would give them injections, but he wasn't giving them vaccinations.
TURNER: It was sterile saline injections.
ROWLANDS (voice-over): Where did you get it?
TURNER: I got that from a surgical supply company.
ROWLANDS: Saline, if sterile, is harmless if injected into the bloodstream. Turner says the exams took about five minutes. He charged $200 per exam, giving each person a bogus shot and then taking their blood.
Everyone who saw Turner received documentation that they had been vaccinated and passed the medical tests.
KAMALA HARRIS, SAN FRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY: They believed they were being tested and they believe that they passed these tests when, in fact, the appropriate test had not been conducted.
ROWLANDS: What did Turner do with the blood?
TURNER: It was disposed of properly.
ROWLANDS: Prosecutors say it's unclear just how long he was giving these fake exams, but in just three years they say Turner took money from more than 1,400 immigrants, making more than $240,000.
HARRIS: You have a number of people who believe the system would work as it's been promised to work for them, and they followed the rules and did what they were supposed to do.
ROWLANDS: Turner, who is now in the San Francisco main jail, says he's sorry and claims he did it to support a wife and three children. He also maintains that nobody was hurt.
TURNER: Everything was clean. The syringes were clean, the needles were clean. All the supplies were clean, brand new, sterile.
ROWLANDS: Not according to this Nino Kobakhidze, who went to see Turner with her sister. They noticed right away that the office was dirty, Nino (ph) says, and Turner didn't change his gloves between patients, even after her sister asked him to.
NINO KOBAKHIDZE, FORMER PATIENT: She started crying. She was like, he didn't change your gloves. Then when I went in, I was like, can you please change your gloves?
ROWLANDS: She says Turner eventually changed his gloves before taking her blood, but what about other patients? Turner admitted to us in jail that some of his patients told him they had HIV.
When asked what he did with that blood, he was reluctant to give any specific information. Shouldn't people be concerned about where that is right now and how -- how did you dispose of it?
TURNER: You know, that's -- they were right to -- it was disposed of properly.
ROWLANDS: And where is it now?
TURNER: It's -- it's incinerated.
HERMAN FRANCK, ATTORNEY FOR TURNER: I know there are issues about that. He thinks he did it in a proper way. I don't know. I don't know about that. But to our knowledge, nobody has had an infection or some problem.
ROWLANDS: Turner was able to stay in business for years in part because his name was on that federal list of doctors. Green card applications were approved for many people that saw Turner because he was on that list.
No one from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services would talk to us on camera about how or if they update their list. A statement released to CNN said in part, quote, "We were not advised when Stephen Turner surrendered his license."
(On camera): But a spokesperson from the California Medical Board says they did update a national database when Turner lost his license. Whether or not anyone from Immigration checked that database, is unclear.
(Voice-over): San Francisco's District Attorney Kamala Harris says Turner, who is facing 131 charges, is the one who is responsible and deserves to be punished.
HARRIS: The conduct that this defendant committed is really extremely egregious and deserves serious consequences.
TURNER: This is the worst thing that ever happened. And I'm really truly sorry. I want to apologize to each and every one. And I just feel awful. I just feel very, very bad about all of this.
ROWLANDS: Meanwhile, there are more than 1,000 people out there who think they've been vaccinated and tested by a real doctor.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, San Francisco.
It is a potentially deadly mix. People do it all the time -- getting behind the wheel after very little sleep. Well, coming up, we're going to look at the danger and see how much a loud radio and other stay-awake tricks really can work.
Plus, faulty products, big spills, bad food -- all trouble that's added up to big fines for corporations. So why isn't the government collecting the cash? Tonight we're "Keeping them Honest," when 360 continues.
COOPER: Well, we've all been there before. You have a busy week, you stay up late a few nights and you're simply exhausted come Friday. Often you drive yourself home, looking forward to maybe resting on that comfy bed, perhaps not realizing the serious danger you're put yourself and others in.
All this week 360 MD Sanjay Gupta explores how a lack of sleep can affect a person's health. He begins with that potentially deadly mix, fatigue and the road.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Most of us have felt this way at some time in our lives -- fighting to stay awake behind the wheel. This man is part of a first of its kind study.
A hundred cars wired for a year, to see how people really drive. Experts say too many of us are like this, dangerously tired behind the wheel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every second in this country, somebody is nodding off or falling asleep at the wheel. And every two minutes -- that's 30 times an hour, there is a fall-asleep crash on our nation's highways associated with people who haven't gotten enough sleep at night.
GUPTA: According to federal estimates, drowsy driving crashes cause 1,500 deaths and 71,000 injuries in the United States every year.
(On camera): If you're one of those people who turns up the radio or cracks the window when you start nodding off behind the wheel, stop. Experts agree that nothing works well to keep you awake for more than just a few minutes. The only real solution is to get off the road.
(Voice-over): Tom Callaghy was driving home from Virginia to Pennsylvania with his wife, when he started getting drowsy.
TOM CALLAGHY, LOST WIFE IN ACCIDENT: We actually left in the middle of Sunday afternoon. And it was a gray, sort of overcast day and drizzly. But I was getting sleepy. I turned on the radio, opened the window a little bit. I moved around. And I actually had my hand part way across the seat to wake her up. And the next thing I knew, I had gone off the road and into the trees.
GUPTA: Tom Callaghy's wife, Janie, died in that crash. Callaghy talks about the accident to warn others about the dangers of drowsy driving. CALLAGHY: My kids had a mother one day, and not the next. I mean, Kathleen said -- my daughter, said that Mom went away for the weekend and just never came home.
GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
COOPER: Well, if you've been up more than 20 hours, you may be no more alert than someone who is legally drunk. The best advice then is really to stay off the road.
But what if you're clocking all those hours at work and driving is maybe your job? It's a life-threatening situation that happens all of the time.
Here, once again is 360 MD Sanjay Gupta.
GUPTA: When Trucker Paul Chapman heads out to deliver his freight, he watches the road. But inside his rig, an experimental device is watching him, a ghost-like scan of infrared light that warns him when he's too tired to be driving.
Chapman installs the fatigue monitor each night before he hits the road, a quick and easy chore to lessen the risk that something terrible might happen.
PAUL CHAPMAN, TRUCK DRIVER: Believe me, there's so many accidents where drivers fall asleep and crash and I sure don't want that to happen. I have a great family at home.
GUPTA: When those accidents do happen, they are often horrific.
Like this one in Colorado last year. The truck driver responsible for the crash hadn't taken a break in 20 hours, when he slammed into a police car.
And this one in Florida, this year, a truck collided with a car. Seven children died. The accident remains under investigation, but the National Transportation Safety Board said the truck driver had been awake for more than 30 hours.
According to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, 375 people were killed and 7,500 others were injured each year over a four-year period between 1997 and 2000 because of accidents caused by tired truck drivers.
This crash prompted New Jersey to criminalize drowsy driving. The trucker involved hadn't slept in 30 hours. A college student died in the crash.
Out on the road, Chapman, who drives a Pitt Ohio Express, says he pulled over recently when the driver fatigue monitor's alarm sounded.
CHAPMAN: It sort of set me back a little bit there. I said, man, this thing knew I was getting tired.
GUPTA: The device measures how heavy eyes are becoming by monitoring the eyelids. If they cover the eyes for three or four seconds several times in a minute, an alarm sounds.
Richard Grace invented the driver fatigue monitor.
RICHARD GRACE, INVENTOR, DRIVER FATIGUE MONITOR: We're not trying to keep them awake. We're giving them information that will encourage him to stop and do the right thing.
GUPTA: Other technologies are also being tested to warn truckers of dangerous drowsiness.
Like this, from Assistware Technology, a device that sounds an alarm when the truck begins changing lanes erratically.
No cause for alarm on this night though.
CHAPMAN: I had a pretty good trip here. I didn't get tired. It was a nice, easy trip. I got a lot of sleep yesterday, so I only yawned about three times last night.
GUPTA: Chapman finishes his shift at 2:30 in the morning, safely, 364 miles, eyes wide open.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
COOPER: Well, our sleep series continues tomorrow, with a look at the meaning of dreams. Are they random or do they have a purpose in our waking lives? 360 MD Sanjay Gupta will try to get to the bottom of the debate by exploring his own dreams. Hmmm, interesting.
Well, just ahead, why should big companies get away without paying billions of dollars for wrongdoing when you and I can't even beat a parking ticket? And why is the government letting them get away with it? Tonight, we're "Keeping them Honest."
Also, the war, not through our eyes, but as seen by the brave men and women on the ground in Iraq. Coming up on 360.
COOPER: Well, it's pretty simple, really. You don't pay your taxes, you go to prison. You don't pay your traffic tickets, you lose your driver's license, even if you're an otherwise law-abiding citizen.
So what if you pollute the environment? Or put coal miners at risk? Or sell tainted food? What happens then? After you're order to pay a fine or else, what happens?
CNN's Tom Foreman discovered 93 percent of the time, nothing happens. Tonight, he's "Keeping them Honest." (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): $35 billion -- as much as China will spend on its military this year, as much as Americans will spend on weight loss products. Almost as much as the president hoped to save with the Deficit Reduction Act.
That's how much the federal government is owed in unpaid fines by businesses and individuals, according to an investigation by the Associated Press.
Scott Amey is with a group that scrutinizes government performance.
SCOTT AMEY, PROJECT ON GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT: It is outrageous. I'm outraged at the government's willingness not to collect the fines and penalties that it -- companies and individuals owe the federal government.
FOREMAN (on camera): Do you think this is a part of an overall trend of the government not really holding business accountable?
AMEY: Sure, it is. And the government isn't collecting the money that is owed. And that -- that's what the scary thing is -- the American taxpayer is losing.
FOREMAN (voice-over): The investigation found unpaid fines for a wide variety of offenses, from gasoline spills to unsafe coal mining conditions, to faulty consumer products, to tainted food. "White collar crime cases account for the largest amount of uncollected debt," the report says. But fines related to those offenses were paid only 7 percent of the time.
(On camera): Why so little? None of the government agencies we contacted wanted to talk on camera about this, but many suggest they don't have enough people to collect all these debts. And many offenders don't have the money to pay anyway.
(Voice-over): So, Reporter Chris Sullivan says, often government regulators are content with promises that offending companies won't break the rules in the future.
CHRIS SULLIVAN, ASSOCIATED PRESS: In many cases what happens is that the amount that is assessed is reduced substantially. In some cases we found that by statute fines were waived as soon as they were issued.
FOREMAN: A measure is expected to be put before Congress next month to crack down on all of these unpaid fines.
(On camera): But just blocks from the Capitol, Oscar Keyes (ph) is furious that the government has let $35 billion go uncollected.
What do you think about that?
OSCAR KEYES, FURIOUS AT GOVERNMENT: I think they should be collecting it because they collected mine.
FOREMAN, (voice-over): After all, he was at the Department of Motor Vehicles, paying $270 worth of fines for illegal parking.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
COOPER: Well, coming up next, the war in Iraq, as seen through the eyes of the troops in Iraq. Still photographs with the power to move you, next on 360.
COOPER: A look at what's "On the Radar," in a moment, but first, Erica Hill, from "HEADLINE NEWS," has some of the business stories tonight -- Erica.
HILL: Hi again, Anderson.
One of the leading investment bankers of the internet boom, getting a new trial. Federal appeals court tossed out the Frank Quattrone's 2004 conviction on charges he obstructed a government investigation of stock offerings at the height of the tech boom. The appeals court says the jury wasn't properly told how to interpret the law.
In Washington, Federal Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke saying today the economy is still strong and added even if the housing market does slow down, that is no indication the nation's economic health is suffering.
And then there is this. It's a big fight over small cars. This week Toyota is rolling out a new subcompact in dealerships nationwide. It is tiny, as you can see. And yes, others will follow. There's the Honda Fit and Nissan Versa. The sticker price, also fairly small, around $13,000 each. And hopefully your gas bill is smaller, too.
COOPER: Let's hope so. Erica, thanks.
"On the Radar," tonight, Dr. Gupta's series on sleep, people on the 360 blog weighing in with some theories of their own.
Chris in Apex, North Carolina, writes, "Why do we sleep in the first place? To give our wives a little down time from having to deal with us, of course."
And vice versa, we imagine.
Says Missy in Fairfield, Connecticut, "I know I need more sleep. And what about recurrent dreams? Dreams I've had since I was a child?"
Well, we'll have a report on dreams tomorrow night, Missy.
Stacey in L.A., weighs in with this, "If everyone in the world got all the sleep they need every night, just think how less productive this world would be."
Actually, research shows that lack of sleep costs the economy billions in productivity each year.
As we mark another year in Iraq many of the U.S. soldiers fighting there have already completed their second or third tours. And there's no sense of when they will come home for good.
No one of us can really know exactly what life has been like for them all these months.
A new book attempts to give us a glimpse of what they've seen. The editors of "GQ" magazine collected pictures taken by soldiers themselves in Iraq and turned them into a book. It's called, "This is Our War: A Soldier's Portfolio." Take a look.
DEVIN FRIEDMAN, GQ SENIOR WRITER (voice-over): "This is Our War," is collaborative project between me and a bunch of guys at the magazine and a bunch of soldiers who we got to contribute their own photographs to make sort of a compilation of photographs from the war.
It is their war. And you see -- you see the people who are really fighting the way that they see each other.
(On camera): Interviews with the soldiers in their words.
Home Away From Home.
FRIEDMAN (voice-over): There was a real problem with roaches. There were roaches everywhere, in the bed, on the floor. I slept outside after that.
That girl was a Marine in my unit. I'm still not sure of her name. People come in and out of your life.
A lot of them are kids, and you can see from these pictures that this is going to be one of the most intense experiences of their life.
FRIEDMAN: I can still smell that day, the burnt hair, the explosives. It's nothing you really get used to.
This is one of the most intense series of pictures that we got. The first picture is literally moments after the bomb's gone off. They're putting him on a stretcher and then they're loading him on to the evacuation helicopter. And luckily, he ended up living.
There's just something about a soldier carrying a picture of his girlfriend inside of his helmet. Obviously the closest thing to him and he's protecting it inside of his helmet.
(On camera): I think it's our first real digital war.
(Voice-over): Soldiers themselves who are making their own images and documenting the war themselves.
FRIEDMAN: We started to get pictures of people who had died in Iraq, and these were the last known pictures of them.
FRIEDMAN: This kid, named Taylor Prazynski. He's from Ohio. And he's just caught in a moment. That's kind of what the book is about. This is a way for us to get out of the way and let them tell their own story.
COOPER: Well, the pictures were from U.S. soldiers. That was Devin Friedman from "GQ." The book is, "This is Our War."
We'll have more of 360 in a moment. Stay with us.
COOPER: Well, "LARRY KING" is next, with more of the third anniversary of the War in Iraq.
Newsman Bob Schieffer joins him, and others debate Iraq's future.
Thanks for watching 360. I'll see you tomorrow night.
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