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Under Fire, CDC Changes Ebola Guidelines; Graham Suspect Indicted in 2005 Rape Case; Sources: Teen's Blood on Ferguson Cop's Gun, Car, Uniform; Roots: Don Lemon's Journey Home; Riots at a Pumpkin Festival
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news, at this hour, the CDC issuing new rules for health care workers treating Ebola patients. This as the family of the second nurse with Ebola hires a major defense attorney blaming the CDC.
Also tonight, a U.N. aid worker dead from Ebola. The worker spouse now affected. Officials warn new cases could reach 10,000 a week. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair is OUTFRONT.
And breaking news, the suspect in the case of the missing UVA student Hannah Graham indicted for rape in yet another case as human remains are found in Virginia. Could they be Hannah Graham? Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, the CDC announcing a change in how doctors and nurses in America will fight Ebola, this comes as Amber Vinson, the second Dallas nurse with Ebola is in at Atlanta hospital tonight. Her family is fighting back.
They have hired a major defense attorney and they're taking the CDC and Texas health officials to task. They say it is, quote, "untrue and hurtful that Vinson ignored the agency's protocols and put others at risk by taking commercial flights between Dallas and Cleveland."
They insist she did everything properly, consulting health officials and the CDC repeatedly throughout her trip. They say they cleared her flight to Cleveland with hospital and CDC officials.
They say she also spoke with Texas health officials and asked if she should fly back to Dallas immediately after learning her colleague had Ebola. She was told that was unnecessary.
Still the next day, she decided to fly back. She called health officials three separate times to report her temperature and was cleared to fly each time, says her family.
We're going to speak to former British Prime Minister Tony Blair about the Ebola crisis and the death of a third U.N. aid worker. But first, CNN's Tom Foreman begins our coverage OUTFRONT.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A commercial jet pulled from service, 800 passengers warned of possible exposure, schools and businesses shut down, all because nurse, Amber Vinson, flew from Cleveland to Dallas with her temperature rising.
And yet her family is now pushing back hard against suggestion she did wrong. In a written statement saying, "To be clear, in no way was Amber careless prior to or after her exposure."
It is a stark contrast to the head of the CDC who has said after treating that patient from Liberia who died from Ebola, the nurse had no business flying.
DR. TOM FRIEDEN, DIRECTOR, CDC (via telephone): Because at point, she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline.
FOREMAN: But Vinson's family said she contacted the CDC and Dallas health care officials repeatedly and she reported her temperature before boarding her flight three different times, in all three instances, she was cleared to return to Texas.
Amid confusion, fear and blame, the Ebola problem is getting worst, true, Nigeria and Senegal have now been declared Ebola-free, but they had small outbreaks.
World health officials say by December, Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, and other affected areas could see up to 10,000 cases a week. That's spurring even some Democrats to say the Obama administration needs to get tougher.
For example, by focusing on a study that says some patients can be infectious far beyond the three weeks the CDC so often cites.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Extending this period where people are monitored or quarantined beyond the 21 days would be in the best interests of making sure more that more people are not infected here at home.
FOREMAN: All that of it has some calling for calm and action.
FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: I don't think this is the time to blame. We need to settle down, figure out what the challenges are and solve them together.
FOREMAN: The biggest problem in all these conflicts is their tendency to produce mixed messages about the threat of Ebola and of course, make it very hard for anyone to figure out who they can trust.
BURNETT: That is the big problem. Tom Foreman, thank you so much.
Joining me now is former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. He is also the founder of the Africa Governance Initiative, which has been very involved in the global response to Ebola. Mr. Prime minister, it is a real pleasure to have you with us tonight. The numbers out there are stunning, 10,000 people a week is the projection for possible infections. That would mean more deaths in a week than the world has seen in total since the outbreak began in the spring.
The numbers are frankly terrifying. Is that a fear mongering number or is that the reality that the world needs to get ready for?
TONY BLAIR, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: That would be the very worst case scenario. Hopefully, it is significantly less than that, but it is extremely serious.
And I have team of people living and working on the ground in Sierra Leone and Liberia, Guinea, trying to help the governments cope with the problems of capacity when they're faced with a crisis such as this.
And there is an enormous amount of help coming into the countries now. But on the other hand, you need to get that help in place. You need to get it working and all of this happening very fast.
BURNETT: The head of the CDC here in the U.S. has said that no one who treated an Ebola patient should have flown commercially. What we've seen already in the United States, with the Ebola scare, is that people don't want to think it can happen to them.
They go ahead with their lives because no one can really imagine the horror of such a thing striking them. It begs the question of whether there should be involuntary quarantines and forcible orders to isolate people. Is that something that should be under consideration?
BLAIR: I think the really important thing with the situation like this, and anyone who as a leader has dealt with a crisis, you know, of this nature, or of a nature that's similar to it where you have something that is developing very, very fast.
And you need to take the most urgent action, the important thing, I think, is to understand who the experts are that can tell you exactly what it is you have to do and then no matter how difficult it is, how challenging, how tough, how frankly extreme it may seem, you have to do it.
So rather than me give an answer to that question directly I would say, what is important is that those who are the experts on this, and are telling us what to do, that's what we need to do.
BURNETT: I guess, the question I have, and maybe the frustration is, you know, the CDC, that the world looks to the CDC has admitted it has made mistake after mistake. You know, they've admitted, look, we've said things were zero risk. Maybe we shouldn't have said that.
They told a woman she can get on a plane and now they're saying she shouldn't have gotten on a plane. What do you do when the CDC is telling you the wrong thing? BLAIR: Well, there is nothing about you can do when that happens. But now the CDC, I'm sure, all of those people are working on this now and know what it is they need to do. We have to make sure that it happens.
And I repeat, when you talk to the people, the presidents and even the people, my own staff working on the ground, they have very specific tasks now of the international community.
And they're very practical around the things that need to happen, the people that need to come. But whatever it is that we need to do, we've got to get on and do it.
BURNETT: I wonder about the money. You know, the U.N. has gotten not even 40 percent of the money that it asked for, the billion dollars. Apparently, it has gotten only $100,000 of the $1 billion sort of emergency fund that they asked for. That $100,000 came from Colombia. That's pretty astounding.
BLAIR: I think that is pretty astounding. I think, you know, the world needs to understand, if that's what it costs to knock out this disease at this stage then it is money that even though it sounds a lot, is well spent.
Because if it continues to rise, and we don't get a tipping point reasonably soon, we're going to be spending a lot more. The other thing that is very important is for these countries, you know, when I was talking to the presidents of Sierra Leone and Liberia just within the last couple of days, they're also incredibly worried about their economies.
I mean, these are countries that is I know were making some progress over the last few years. Suddenly all of that is at risk. If we want them to take drastic action that will have big economic consequences, we have to be prepared to hem them through this.
So you know, this is not something where it is sensible for that to be a shortage of funding. Now as I say the U.S., the U.K., others are putting substantial amounts of resources behind this.
But in just talking to the presidents in the last few days, my anxiety is there is a mismatch between the speed at which we're able to get stuff to them and the speed at which the disease is spreading.
BURNETT: All right, Prime Minister Blair, thank you so much for your time tonight.
BLAIR: Thank you.
BURNETT: OUTFRONT next, they're being monitored for Ebola. So what were they doing at the grocery store?
Plus, as Ebola explodes, scientists in the United States are racing to find a cure. How close are they? We're going to go inside an Ebola lab. And the case of the missing UVA student, the suspect today indicted in a 2005 rape, this as remains are found in Virginia. Have police found Hannah Graham?
BURNETT: OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news, the CDC just issuing new guidelines for health care workers treating patients with Ebola after admitting so many mistakes. There has been a lot of concern about equipment.
Two nurses contracted the deadly virus while treating Thomas Eric Duncan who died of Ebola nearly two weeks ago. Our chief medical correspondent, Sanjay Gupta, is OUTFRONT.
Sanjay, the head of the CDC has been addressing the press and obviously he's had a lot of tough sessions with the press in recent days. What did he just say?
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, one thing that came out right at the top of the call was that he basically said the hospital in Dallas did seem to be following CDC protocols.
Remember, it was back and forth, Erin, what exactly happened with these two nurses. He said the CDC protocols were issued. They were something that they had to work on over the summer. The Dallas hospital seemed to follow them.
But now he can see they were inadequate for what needs to be done here. So those three things he sort of talking about now, he is saying that every health care provider and hospital across the country before they start taking care of a patient with Ebola.
They have to go through some competency training now so some specific training and to demonstrate that they're able to do that. They will have a buddy system now for every step of the way so when someone is putting on the garb, taking off the garb, that's got to be supervised.
And perhaps the most important thing, Erin, something you and I have talked about quite a bit, we look at this video again. One of the things that we pointed out was there was skin exposed and that's just something that would seem to be a problem.
And part of the guidelines, they say no skin will be exposed for health care workers taking care of Ebola. These are obvious things. They've been done in Africa for decades. Why it wasn't done here, wasn't part of guidelines initially, I don't know. They're working to correct that now.
BURNETT: Right. And of course, a major admission that they're saying the hospital followed protocol. As you said, they have not been saying that. That's significant. All right, Sanjay, please stay with us.
There's a lot of confusion over the CDC guidelines when it comes to monitoring people who have been in close contact with Ebola patients. Hundreds of them right now are being monitored. They're receiving different information, though, on what they should do, where they're allowed to go.
The question is this, should a person who spent time with someone with Ebola be out shopping in the U.S.?
Alina Machado is OUTFRONT.
ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At least 43 people in Dallas County are breathing a sigh of relief tonight after reaching the end of their 21-day monitoring period. But according to Dallas mayor Mike Rawlings, 120 others are still being monitored including Tiffany and Byron Watters. For them relief is still weeks away.
BYRON WATTERS, BEING MONITORED OF EBOLA SYMPTOMS: From my understanding, my research on Ebola, if anything is going to happen, it will be this week.
MACHADO: The Dallas couple flew to Cleveland and back on the same frontier airlines flights as Amber Vinson, the Texas Presbyterian hospital nurse who got Ebola after helping caring for Thomas Eric Duncan. It wasn't until they saw the news and Vinson's picture two days after the flight that they realized they had sat next to the 29- year-old outside the gate in Cleveland.
MACHADO: Did she appear sick to you? Did anything stand out?
TIFFANY WATTERS, BEING MONITORED OF EBOLA SYMPTOMS: Not at all. Nothing stood out. There were no indications that she was sick at all.
MACHADO: The Watters say they were proactive and reached out to their own doctors and called the CDC twice before finally hearing back on Friday.
T. WATTERS: The first few days were a little more nerve-racking because we hadn't received any information, you know, specifically what we should be doing. But once we got back, we were able to you know, calm ourselves and you know, wait it out.
MACHADO: Health officials in Dallas County asked dozens of health care workers who had contact with Duncan to sign this legal document stating they would stay away from all public places and avoid public transportation for 21 days. The Watters meanwhile faced far fewer restrictions.
T. WATTERS: We were requested to have limited social interactions and requested not to take public transportation and traveling. I did ask if we could go to the store and were told that that was fine.
MACHADO: They're now focused on getting through rest of the monitoring period. They're thinking of Vinson as she fights the deadly virus. B. WATTERS: We're praying for her. And I hope she gets better. I
know she'll get better.
MACHADO: Now this couple made the decision to stay isolated at home out of an abundance of caution on their own. And to be clear, they have not shown any symptoms indicating an Ebola infection. Their hope is that they'll be able to return to work by November 3rd -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Alina, thank you very much.
I want to bring Sanjay back in, of course, our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
So Sanjay, the couple you just heard from, they were told by the Texas department of health, limited social interaction, don't take public transportation. Don't travel. They then explicitly say, though, can we go to the store and they were told yes. These are the things that, you know, me as not a doctor. I don't get. How can you be told not to do anything in public but it is OK to the grocery store.
GUPTA: Well, it doesn't make sense. And that's part of the problem. And that's part of the problem with this whole situation I think that's fueling these fears.
When it come to Ebola, Erin, quarantine really doesn't -- is not done because of any threat to the public's health. It is a really important point. It is different than other diseases that way. We think of quarantining somebody so they can keep the public safe. That's not what's happening with Ebola because unless somebody is sick, they are not going to be transmitting the virus.
So first of all with this couple, we don't know that they even have an exposure really. So we don't appear sick. So there is no real reason to quarantine them. It was a different situation when you are talking about the nurse who had extensive prolonged contact with a sick patient in the hospital and then obviously, that questionable protective gear, you know, that we were just talking about.
So, and her case, they said to public travel, no jumping on a commercial airlines, but you could get in a car. You could still drive around, and be out in public. You just couldn't get on in an area where you're cong congregating tightly with lots of other people. That was sort of a thought.
BURNETT: Yes. I guess so. As you said, it doesn't seem to really add up.
GUPTA: But it is not to protect the public's health though. I think that is a really, really important point.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you so much, Sanjay Gupta.
And next, the cure. Experts warn of 10,000 new Ebola cases a week. We are going to go inside the lab where scientists right now are in a race against time to find a cure. What exactly are they doing? We have that access.
Plus, the suspect in Hannah Graham's disappearance indicted in the rape of another woman. And tonight, human remains are examined in a Virginia lab. Are they Hannah's or are they not?
BURNETT: A United Nations staff member working on the hot zone has died from Ebola. The aide worker's spouse also has symptoms tonight. The World Health Organization now warns of 10,000 Ebola cases a week at the current death rate. That means more people dead in one week than have died during the entire outbreak since the spring.
Researchers in the United States are in a race against time to find a cure and Kyung Lah is OUTFRONT.
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Often fatal, no vaccine, no sure-fire cure yet. Professor Eric Ullman Sapphire's lab, the race is on to outwit Ebola.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need to do in weeks and months what it used to take us years to do.
LAH: Because time is running out. Forty-five hundred dead worldwide and eight recent cases on U.S. soil and her lab, one of the few in the world, they work with Ebola ant-bodies. Sent from around the world. They're injected here into two high-tech machines that frankly --
This looks to a lay person like a big giant mess.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Intimidating but highly advanced equipment like this.
LAH: Through this web of complex steps like this come purified proteins. A critical building block for a cure. They're sent back out to a worldwide network chasing a serum. But as it is a constantly moving target. Sapphire is mapping the confusing virus constantly mutating.
If you do not have a map --?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are blind. Completely blind and fighting that virus.
LAH: That's why she uses battle terminology.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We solve the structures of the protein of the virus. That's like enemy intelligence, right? We understand what the pieces are, how they work and how to fight them.
LAH: Because this is a war and it is exhausting. They're up until midnight, back at dawn. Sapphire's lab already helped develop the experimental drug ZMapp. More antibodies are coming in as doctor search for an even better drug. Across San Diego's bio-tech laboratories, researchers are pushing any
idea that might work. Thomas Duncan and journalist Ashuko Mukpol were both given another experimental drug discovered at UC San Diego's school of medicine and this is experimental tube being used right now in Germany to treat a Uganda doctor with Ebola. The idea is these tiny fibers literally filter the Ebola virus out of the blood. They don't know in any of this will work for sure. but with the Ebola, there is a common call, try it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you have a hard to treat pathogen like this, it pulls researchers together. It is really the ultimate challenge.
LAH: The biggest challenge to Sapphire isn't just the disease but money. She's turned to crowd funding, trying to buy another one of these critical machines.
This seems ridiculous that you're having to crowd fund. Why are you crowd funding?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because we need the money fast. And crowd funding gives people the opportunity to put their money into what they think is important.
BURNETT: I mean, Kyung, first of all, an incredible report looking at those fibers and imagining what they are doing, how quickly they're doing it. I don't understand, though, how you have a disease that could kill 5,000 people a week. You have the worst outbreak in human history, according to health professionals and they're not getting money from the government? They have to go online and ask for people out of the goodness of their heart to donate?
LAH: Yes. Just boggles the mind, but that is what is happening because it come down to government dollars. Now, I want to you take a look at this graph. This is provided to us by the national institutes of health. That is a primary source of research laboratories looking for cures. You can see that that bar is dropping. That reflects billions of dollars in lost budgetary dollars. And that's less money for cancer research but also, Ebola research.
What the NIH also tells us, Erin, is that since 2010 when they started keeping track of all this, well, they realize that there were 62 unfunded Ebola grants or they were delayed. So yes, it just scarce dollars.
BURNETT: That's -- it's kind of boggles the mind as you said. All right, Kyung Lah, thank you very much.
And next, the breaking news on Virginia. The man charge in the disappearance of UVA student Hannah Graham now indicted for the 2005 rape of another woman. This coming as police have fond human remains in the Virginia woods. Are they those of Hannah Graham?
Plus, we are live at Ferguson, Missouri. New details tonight seem to back up the police officer, Darren Wilson' story that he feared for his life after a struggle in the police car. Does this mean no indictment? No trial? He is free and clear.
BURNETT: The prime suspect in the disappearance of University of Virginia student Hannah Graham indicted for sexual assault. A grand jury has just indicted Jesse Matthew in a rape from 2005. The charges, though, very importantly include attempted murder and abduction. The case against Matthew is growing. He has been forensically linked to the case of another dead young woman, Morgan Harrington, a Virginia Tech student who vanished from Charlottesville in 2009.
And now, officials are looking at him in a possible suspect in four other unsolved cases in Virginia. This comes as police found a skull and bones scattered just eight miles from where Hannah Graham was last seen.
Jean Casarez is OUTFRONT from Charlottesville tonight.
And, Jean, did the Hannah Graham case and what they have now found help bring this new indictment for another rape today?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, the commonwealth attorney was asked that question and he said yes, that the Hannah Graham case did help. Now, we know when they collected all the evidence, from the car, in the apartment of Jesse Matthew, it is easy to get DNA of Jesse Matthew, through a cup or a straw, and he had never been convicted of a felony.
Furthermore, there is a living alleged victim in Fairfax City, Virginia, that was able to potentially ID who her perpetrator was.
Now, it is so different here in Charlottesville. Day and night, crime scene investigators are processing a makeshift grave.
CASAREZ (voice-over): It has been every day for five weeks, searching for missing UVA student Hannah graham. On Saturday, everything came to an abrupt halt.
CHIEF TIMOTHY LONGO, CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE DEPT.: A search team from the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Department was searching an abandoned property along old Lynchburg Road in Southern Albemarle County when they discovered what appears to be human remains.
SGT. DALE TERRY, CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Something just inside me, told me, just continue to look.
CASAREZ: Sergeant Dale Terry was part of the search team that made the grim discovery about 10 miles away from the UVA campus. A skull and bones scattered across the creek bed, along with a pair of tight dark colored pants. No hair, no flesh. Pants, much like the one Hannah Graham was wearing when she went missing on September 13th.
The development quickly became a difficult reality for investigators. LONGO: The Detective Sergeant James Mooney of the Charlottesville
Police Department made a very difficult phone call and reached out to John and Susan Graham to share with them this preliminary discovery.
CASAREZ: It was just last week that Hannah's parents pleaded for anyone to help them find their daughter.
SUSAN GRAHAM, HANNAH'S MOM: We appeal to you to come forward and tell us where Hannah can be found.
CASAREZ: Now, authorities may have found her, but it will take forensic experts to confirm it is the 18-year-old UVA sophomore.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Full decomposition down to skeletalization can occur as soon as three weeks. So, 35 days, I'm not surprised. They expected it.
CASAREZ (on camera): The scene continues to be processed right up there by investigators. We are in the southern part of the county, Albemarle County, right outside the city of Charlottesville. And if you go up that road for four miles, what you'll find is the house that Jesse Matthew used to live in with his mother.
(voice-over): This is house that Matthew lived in for with six years, according to his neighbors.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mother talked a lot and she seemed to be a real nice person. She wanted to stay out here to try to keep him away from the city, away from the gangs.
CASAREZ: But as Jesse Matthew sits in the county jail for the abduction of Hannah Graham, he could be facing a lot more trouble than the gangs of Charlottesville.
CASAREZ: And law enforcement tells me they will continue processing the scene for as long as it takes. It could be at a minimum on Thursday, that they could be finished.
And then, Erin, there is so much more to do, because with the chief medical examiner, number one, they have to identify these remains through DNA. And number two, the cause and the manner of death, and then those black pants that they did find at the scene, they've got to see if there is any foreign DNA of the perpetrator that may have caused Hannah -- the alleged victim here to lose her life.
BURNETT: Jean Casarez, thank you so much.
And OUTFRONT now, retired FBI profiler, Jim Clemente.
And, Jim, let me start with this question of whether this is Hannah. They said they found a skull and scattered bones but no hair and no flesh. The remains were found 35 days after Hannah Graham was last spotted.
Is it possible that this isn't her? That this is too far of a state of decomposition?
JIM CLEMENTE, RETIRED FBI PROFILER: Well, it is possible it is another victim or some random body. The chances are pretty good. I mean, offenders can accelerate that skeletalization process by putting the body in a stream, which then, if it rained, you know, it could have been much more activity. Could have removed the skin and so forth from the bones. But the offender himself could have used some type of acid to get rid of the flesh and hair.
BURNETT: To try to hide his tracks.
Let me ask you a question, though, about where there was. The remains were found ten mile from her Hannah Graham was last seen.
I want to show you a map just to lay the groundwork here. So, everyone, as you can see, 10 miles from where Hannah Graham was last seen, four miles from Jesse Matthew once lived, five miles from where Morgan Harrington was found. Matthew has been linked by forensic evidence to Morgan Harrington's disappearance. She went missing outside UVA in 2009.
You study serial killers, Jim. Is there any significance that you see when you look at these distances?
CLEMENTE: Well, actually, this looks like a fairly classic example of what a serial killer might, and that is, they move the person away from the abduction site to a place where they have more privacy and control. That could be a remote area, an abandoned house, a place they can pull their car off the road without being seen. And then when they kill the person, they want to distance themselves from the body. And typically, they'll go away from the abduction site. Not towards the abduction site when they dispose of the body.
In this case, it looks like this was a fairly good disposal site, because it was located behind an abandoned house and in a stream bed. Although there isn't active concealment, it is a very difficult place to find.
BURNETT: All right. Jim Clemente, thank you.
Of course, we're waiting to see. And of course, the hope that that would not be Hannah. We're awaiting those final forensic results.
Well, the city of Ferguson, Missouri, is now bracing for a violent protests because there is new evidence that could acquit the officer who shot unarmed teen, Michael Brown.
Law enforcement sources tell CNN that Brown's blood was found on the gun, uniform and car belonging to Officer Darren Wilson. This new evidence may support Wilson's account. OK, that account was that he fired in self-defense. That Brown had approached him at the car and attacked him.
Sara Sidner is OUTFRONT.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the new normal in Ferguson, protests night and day for the past 73 days. Their number one demand? Justice. To them that means the indictment and arrest of Officer Darren Wilson who shot and killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown August 9th.
Tensions are high again after new details about the investigation were leaked by a federal source to "The New York Times", indicating forensic evidence may mean potential civil rights charges are unlikely.
U.S. law enforcement sources told CNN, Brown's blood was found on the Wilson's gun, inside Wilson's patrol car and on his uniform.
DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: What that does is that tends to support any testimony that there was some kind of scuffle in the police car. And if so, that tends to support Officer Wilson's testimony and his justification for using deadly force.
SIDNER: Early on, Brown's friends said there was a scuffle but that Wilson was the aggressor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He pulled up alongside us, he tried to push the door open. We were so close that it ricocheted and it bounced back to him. And I guess that, you know, got him a little upset as he was trying to choke my friend. And he was trying to get away. And the officer then reached out and he grabbed his arm to pull him into the car.
SIDNER: CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos says the newly reveal forensic evidence only goes so far.
CEVALLOS: Ultimately, that officer will have to come one justification, not for firing his gun the first time but for each and every bullet that came out of his firearm, whether at the car or away from the car.
SIDNER: Whatever happens, police tell CNN, they are preparing, especially after hearing this time and again for protesters in the streets.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If there is not an indictment -- excuse my French -- all hell is going to break loose.
SIDNER (on camera): Are you worried that there is going to be serious violence?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I mean, again, we're constantly looking at those things. I believe it was five shootings in August.
SIDNER: During the protests.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, during the protest that came out of that.
And then also to protect businesses and the property and the citizens who live in the area. SIDNER (voice-over): Protesters also have plans.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody is planning for whatever the grand jury decides. I think certainly there are lots of us planning peaceful protests for, should it not be indicted. Certainly there are other people that have other ideas at hand.
BURNETT: So, Sara, when is the grand jury going to return this decision, and what is the range of charges that they could indict if they did?
SIDNER: These are all been questions.
First of all, let's talk about the range of charges that you asked about. There are four main charges that the grand jury is being asked to look. A one, first-degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. They're being asked to look at that.
They've been given the statutes for what is self-defense and for what is legally the use of force. And as far as when this grand jury is going to come back with a decision, everyone is trying to figure that out. However, we talk to the prosecuting attorney's office and the official there told us, they're expecting something to come down in mid-November. These protesters want to it happen fast better you they say they will be here every single night until then. And depending on what the outcome is, things could get pretty hairy around here.
BURNETT: Sara Sidner, thank you so much.
And OUTFRONT next --
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Survivors. A survivor spirit. Survivors.
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BURNETT: Don Lemon with an emotional trip in search of his roots.
And journalism can be a dangerous job. But covering the pumpkin festival? I mean, you know, you wouldn't bet, but you would bet wrong. Jeanne Moos explains.
BURNETT: Here at CNN, we're exploring our roots. I shared my story last week. Tonight, Don Lemon looks to his past. It's a journey that takes him, all the way to Africa, and into the hub of the transatlantic slave trade.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You took an ancestor DNA test. LEMON: Yes. Here we go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, these are your results -- 76 percent African and 22 percent European. And then you've got 25 percent Nigeria and 22 percent Cameroon and Congo. Fifty percent of your genetic make-up comes from that specific region in Africa.
My ancestry is deeply rooted in what is now known as the Slave Coast. My mom and I traveled to Ghana's Cape Coast castle, the main exit point for slaves coming to the United States.
Nice to meet you.
ESSEL BLANKSON, SENIOR EDUCATOR, CAPE COAST CASTLE: Nice meeting you.
LEMON: This is my mother Katherine.
BLANKSON: Hi, mom.
LEMON: Why are we here?
BLANKSON: We're going to take a tour and we're going to take you back in time.
This was the main slave dungeon. This was constructed in 1792. It was designed for 1,000 people.
LEMON: Can you imagine being here?
BLANKSON: They stayed here for three months on average. In this darkness, yes.
LEMON: It felt like a descent into hell. I felt like this must be what it's like to enter hell.
I couldn't believe that people walked down that path and then walked through here and then spent months in here, if you survived.
BLANKSON: This was a dungeon for the troublement (ph) case, those who incite rebellions and instigating violence.
LEMON: But it was dark in here.
BLANKSON: It was dark in here. They were held hear in chains. You see the hole in the wall? Holes in the wall. They were held in chains.
And this channel was the drainage for their feces and urine. The floor was covered with feces, blood, decomposed bodies, clothes, food, vomit, sweat. In terms of (INAUDIBLE) torture.
LEMON: I kept looking for places to escape, and there was no escape. The only escape was either become a slave, go to a new world or you escape through death. BLANKSON: What you are standing before now is a shrine. And behind
this wall there was a tunnel. They were led to the exits.
LEMON: Is that where the ships left?
BLANKSON: Yes. To the boats and to the ships. Now the walls are dedicated to the souls of our ancestors.
LEMON: I don't know how many thousands or millions of people ended up in places like this.
BLANKSON: I requested for a candle for you to light in memory of ancestors who passed through this facility.
LEMON: That one little candle was a fire of inspiration.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
LEMON: Survivor spirit. Survivors.
BLANKSON: Through this door, they left behind the known for the unknown. They left behind security for security. They went through this door.
LEMON: You want to go?
And you walk through not the passage you came in but then through another passage, through the door of no return, and then onto a ship away from your family and then who knows what happened to you after that.
Right onto this ship.
BLANKSON: In 1998, two bodies of ex-slaves were exhumed in America and Jamaica. They were brought back through this door to reverse the trend of no return.
LEMON: I was thinking I just can't hold it in anymore. I wake up every day, and my life is like a dream. Every day I feel like I'm dreaming.
I have such a wonderful life. I am so blessed and so fortunate.
I want all those people who think that they can't survive and all those people who say, "I can't do this, I can't do that," I want to show people that that isn't true. You can do whatever you want.
BLANKSON: So on behalf of the government of the people of this country, it's my pleasure to welcome you back.
LEMON: Who do I think I am? I know that I'm a survivor. And I came from a group of people who are survivors. Why wouldn't I want to do the best that I could to honor those people?
BURNETT: And Don joins me now.
LEMON: Very heavy.
BURNETT: And I guess one of the hard parts has to be that even though you were able to find out a lot, you couldn't find out everything.
LEMON: No. And you don't see a lot of pictures. That's because there's not a lot of information. Most people who came over on the Atlantic slave trade or through that process, there's not a lot -- there aren't a lot of records. So, you can go back and it will say, Erin --
BURNETT: Well, a name. A simple thing as a name.
LEMON: They were tick marks, they were properties. So, on the census reports people were just tick marks. They come over and they say, how many people are on your property, how much property do you own, how many slaves, and they'd gave them tick marks and not names. So, it's tough to really get a lot of information.
BURNETT: And do you know where your name came from? Where Lemon came from?
LEMON: Not exactly, no. We tried to figure out. Most likely, it came from, you know, someone who owned slaves, whose last name was Lemon or a variations of Lemon.
BURNETT: Wow, it's incredible.
LEMON: That's unbelievable.
BURNETT: It's incredible that you got to go where you did and have that moment.
LEMON: With my mother. I'll have that forever. So, that I will always have from CNN. So, thank you very much.
BURNETT: Well, thank you for sharing it with us.
LEMON: All right, Erin. Appreciate it.
BURNETT: And if you missed any of our "Roots" stories, you can see them all on CNN.com/roots. Remember our CNN series ends with a primetime special tomorrow at 9:00 Eastern.
OUTFRONT next, they went to a pumpkin festival and a fight broke out.
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RUTH STERLING, KEENE PUMPKIN FESTIVAL ORGANIZER: I am going to pull the plug on you, because you are here as a guest of the Keene pumpkin festival and I assigned you this spot.
JARED GOODELL, REPORTER, CHESHIRE TV: You heard it here first, everybody.
STERLING: Do not alarm our guest.
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BURNETT: A New Hampshire pumpkin festival erupted into total and utter chaos when celebrants started throwing glass bottles and lighting fires in the street. Police were wearing riot gear. I'm not kidding you. This was, you know, at a pumpkin festival.
Anyway, a local journalist then got involved, tried to report on the melee and he got caught off not from someone in the crowd but from a festival organizer.
Jeanne Moos reports.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What makes live TV fun? Watch the guy taking the selfie -- is that you never know what will happen.
A leash breaks and the weatherman has a 100 percent chance of being showered by doggy affection.
WEATHERMAN: We'll be back with more in just a moment.
MOOS: Things really came unleashed at the Keene, New Hampshire Pumpkin Festival, not only did rowdy students riot a short weak away from where peaceful pumpkin fans were gathered, but there was this. The strange dance as a pumpkin fest organizer tried to block the public access TV host covering the festivities.
JARED GOODELL, REPORTER, CHESHIRE TV: She would not like me to tell you what's going on at Keene State College.
MOOS: Ruth Sterling wanted Jared Goodell to zip it of a drunken rioting nearby.
RUTH STERLING, KEENE PUMPKIN FESTIVAL ORGANIZER: So, if you think that inciting these people is a good idea, I am going to pull the plug on you because you are here as a guest of Keene Pumpkin Festival and I assign you this spot.
MOOS (on camera): She actually went for his mike about five times.
GOODELL: You heard it here first, everybody.
STERLING: Do not alarm our guest. Thank you.
GOODELL: When you report the news, when you report the reality, the people in charge want to shut you down. MOOS (voice-over): So, while pumpkin fest went on relatively
undisturbed, the students were busy beaning each other and police with cans and bottles not far away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got hit with a Jack Daniels bottle.
MOOS: The organizer and the public access host lobbed verbal bombshells.
STERLING: And you have no right to self-promote here.
GOODELL: I'm not self-promoting anything.
MOOS: On Monday, Ruth Sterling doubled down, calling Goodell a self- promoting punk who was metaphorically yelling fire in a crowded theater endangering festival goers.
Meanwhile, Goodell told us he's been contacted by lawyers who said she was guilty of battery, though he has no plans to sue.
(on camera): Do you have anything you want to say to her directly?
(voice-over): Apologize to residents of Keene, he said.
GOODELL: I wouldn't mind an apology from her either.
STERLING: Do we agree he's self-promoting? I agree.
GOODELL: Yes, everybody, Ruth Sterling.
MOOS: No wonder the jack-o'-lanterns were smiling.
Jeanne Moos, CNN --
GOODELL: You heard it here first, everybody.
STERLING: Do not alarm our guests.
MOOS: -- New York.
BURNETT: Hey, it brings censorship to a whole new level. Thanks so much for watching. Have a great night.
"AC360" begins right now.