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73-Year-Old Insurance Executive Charged With Second-Degree Manslaughter; Senator Marco Rubio Announces White House Run; Rand Paul Announcing Running for Office; More Outrage and Questions in Walter Scott Shooting; Stealing from Baggage in Airport; Emergency Landing in Seattle; 360 Bulletin. Aired 8-9p ET
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[20:00:15] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. We begin tonight with breaking news.
Felony charges in another deadly shooting involving a law enforcement officer and an African-American suspect, this time, Tulsa, Oklahoma. It happened during a sting operation by the Tulsa County sheriff's department earlier this month, take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roll on your stomach. Now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ouch, ouch. He's hurting me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't hurt him.
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COOPER: Well, he did then he died. The voice you hear saying he shot the suspect is that of a man named Robert Bates. He's a 73-year-old insurance executive who is now charged with second degree manslaughter. And if you're wondering what a 73-year-old insurance executive was doing with a badge a taser, a gun and a suspect dying suspect at his feet, well, you're not the only one. How he even came to be in a position to use deadly force during a tension night in Tulsa and across the country?
More on all of it now from our Ed Lavandera.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Eric Harris is caught on tape selling an illegal handgun.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see it. That's a nice gun.
LAVANDERA: Harris is about to find out this is an undercover sting, and Tulsa County sheriff's deputies are racing in to arrest him. Harris takes off running.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop right here, stop right here, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop right here, stop right there.
LAVANDERA: Deputies chase and tackle him to the ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roll on your stomach. Now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ouch. Ouch. He shot him. He shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot him, he shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot me. (Bleep).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, god, he shot me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ran.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You hear me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lost my breath.
LAVANDERA: Eric Harris would later die at the hospital. Harris' brother says deputies went too far.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There shouldn't have been a taser used. There shouldn't have been no type of force used on my brother other than putting his hands behind his back in handcuffs. The last thing my brother heard as he went to be with the Lord is F your breath as if he didn't matter.
LAVANDERA: The deadly shot was fired by Robert Bates. CNN obtained a statement Bates gave to the investigators after the shooting. Bates rights as Harris resisted there was a small window to deploy his taser. I remember thinking, I have to deploy it rapidly, as I still thought there was a strong possibility Harris had a gun. Bates said he meant to use his taser and that he was startled and left in a state of shock and disbelief, once he realized he used his gun instead.
Adding to the volatility of the story, Bates isn't a full-pledged sheriff's deputy. He's a certified peace officer who volunteers in the department's reserve deputy program. Bates is the CEO of and insurance company and has been a long time benefactor of the Tulsa sheriff's department. He's donated cars and video equipment. Eric Harris' family attorney says Bates has paid big money to play a cop in his spare time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's mind-boggling you have a wealthy businessman who's been essentially deputized to go play like he's some outlaw. I mean, like he's just cleaning up the streets.
LAVANDERA: Sheriff officials say Bates has undergone extensive training and Bates himself says in that statement to investigators that he's assisted the violent crimes task force at least 100 other times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, he had to play a cop. No matter how you cut it up, Deputy Bates met all the criteria on the counsel of law enforcement training to be in the role he was in.
LAVANDERA: So could he have confused his two weapons? Eric Harris' family's attorney showed us what they looked like, a bright yellow taser and a small 357 revolver. He questions how Bates could have mistaken the gun for the bright yellow taser strapped to his chest.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don't function the same. They don't feel the same.
LAVANDERA: We also asked Bates attorney this very question. He says Bates experienced a phenomenon called slip and capture.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which means your intended behavior slips off track and is captured by another behavior that might be more well rehearsed or motorized internally than your initial intention. So what ends up happening is you do the opposite of what you intended.
[20:05:12] COOPER: Ed Lavandera joins us now from Tulsa.
I mean, I've never heard of this slip and capture, you've been in touch with Bates' attorney since his client was charged with second degree manslaughter, what's he saying now, what's the latest?
LAVANDERA: Well, they say that Robert Bates is not guilty of this manslaughter charge, that he was doing his duty as were well outlined and legal within his rights as a deputy reserve deputy with the Tulsa County sheriff's department. And obviously, they said that they will fight these charges. They had been pushing the district attorney's office to pass this off as a excusable homicide that based on his roll and the way he was acting, that it was a justifiable situation.
COOPER: But what was his role exactly supposed to be? I mean, is it common to have, you know, people who just donate a lot of money and undergone some training and a reserve officers on an undercover sting operation? Is that how they're supposed to be used?
LAVANDERA: Well, based on his statement that we obtained today and conversation with sheriff officials here in Tulsa today, we understand that Robert Bates was not a part of the front line of the undercover agents that were going in, moving in to arrest Eric Harris, that it was when Eric Harris slipped past that first line of undercover agents and was running away, that that was what put Robert Bates into that situation. He was supposed to have been, they tell me, in a backup role in that situation, but that once Eric Harris started running, that's what kind of thrust him into that position, they say, to make that call to use his taser and then obviously mistakenly it for his handgun.
COOPER: Alright, Ed Lavandera, appreciate it.
Let's get some perspective now on this incident. The phenomenon of so-called pay to play law enforcement, and the kind of training that critics say encourages handcuffing or even piling on (INAUDIBLE) wounded people. We're joined now by former NPYD officer and secret service agent Dan Bongino, also Phil Stinson, criminal justice professor, Bowling Green State University himself, also former a police officer, also CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Sunny Hostin.
Dan, have you ever heard of slip and capture, the attorney for this man is basically saying his kind of motor memory took over? Have you heard of this?
DAN BONGINO, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Well, I haven't heard of that specific term, but I've heard of the phenomenon and heard it referred to in various ways. Training in the red zone is one way, when I was in the secret service, that's what we used to do. In other words, we would engage in some vigorous physical activity and a stress test. And then you would do a judgment course with your firearm, Anderson, you're breathing really heavily, and you are not thinking correctly. And then you have to think, do I shoot or not engage the target. So I've heard it called a couple different things, but never slip and capture.
COOPER: Phil, I mean, is there any science to back this up?
PHIL STINSON, CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSOR, BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY: No, it's junk science. It's not something that's supported by a testable theory. There's no peer reviewed articles that would support this. We don't know that -- there's no known rate of error. And it's not generally accepted by the scientific community. So it is something that in most courts would be admissible as evidence.
COOPER: Sunny, you know, this whole phenomenon of basically wealthy people who want to, you know, who are donating money to law enforcement and get to be reserve officers, I mean, I guess they do go through some training, there's different levels of training, but it also sounds like this guy Bates is also very close friends with the sheriff. They're fishing buddies and the sheriff is basically kind of gave a press conference saying how close they are and what a good guy he is.
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think that's right. And I think you're certainly in a dangerous place when you're allowing wealthy people to pay money, almost to play cop, and certainly if you're prosecuting a case like this. This is not the most difficult case. Right now he's been charged with, I believe second degree manslaughter and all have you to prove for second degree manslaughter, Anderson, is that someone else similarly situated would have acted differently, would have used different care, ordinary care. And I think it goes to sort of the larger question here, if you're going to have someone pretending to be a police officer under the color of law, allowed to have a gun, they have to have the appropriate training.
These deputies don't have the same training, let's say, that as Dan Bongino has. I mean, you just heard talked about his type of training. This officer, this deputy didn't have that kind of training, should he have been in that kind of position. When I looked at these sorts of organizations across the country, they're usually in a support role. They are doing crowd control. They are doing surveillance. They're not arresting people, running around with guns and shooting.
COOPER: Yes, Dan, I mean, my understanding is, you know, reserve officers on this place force, you know, in the past have been used on busy shopping days when there's a risk of cars in the parking lot hitting shoppers outside at a mall, to police the parking lot to make sure pedestrians aren't hit. I mean, would you want this guy, a reserve officer having your back in a task force situation?
[20:10:17] BONGINO: No, I wouldn't. And you know, Sunny is right. I think the NYPD has a particularly good model here, with their auxiliary police department. These are unpaid positions, it doesn't matter what you donate or not. You go through a police academy, and you're primarily used in traffic situations, like you said busy shopping areas. They're not armed. They're usually with an armed regular police officer. I think it's a far better model.
I think you were almost setting yourself up for failure in this situation in Tulsa, having a 73-year-old man, however good or bad intentioned, in that kind of situation with a potential gun crime. That was a recipe for disaster.
COOPER: And Phil, obviously, this guy should not have shot the suspect. Do you question whether he even should have been going for his taser? Can you explain that?
STINSON: Well, I don't think there was a -- any need for the taser. It all happened so very quickly. But if you look back at the video, the officer who had taken down Mr. Harris was trying to get him turned over and get him handcuffed. It was just a split second later when Bates fired the taser or thought he was firing a taser and actually fired the gun. There was no need for it.
And the problem with that is that it makes me think that Bates was here for the action of it all, he was determined to get involved in the action. He was determined to use his taser and never thought about the appropriateness of it. He was just determined to use the taser with tragic results.
Sunny, you hear somebody say taser, taser, I'm not sure if that's Bates indicating that he's going to use the taser or if somebody is calling for a taser. My sense is it's Bates sort of saying he's about to use the taser, is that what you thought?
HOSTIN: That's what I thought. And I watched it several times, it's a bit unclear to me, Anderson. But what isn't unclear is when you look at the facts here, he called that mourning, he called the task force to ask what was going on. He wanted to be a part of this. And while he's volunteered, I think my understanding is, over 1,000 hours, bottom line is, he doesn't have the training necessary to participate in this.
Is that the kind of model that we want? Do we want really what are ordinary citizens, with enough money to play to be police officers, policing our streets? This is a very, very dangerous precedent. And I think it's now time for either the justice department, perhaps or every single police department to review this -- the deputy status, because we're going to see more and more of this kind of thing, if it isn't happening more than we even know.
COOPER: And Phil, I mean, to Dan's point, you know, in New York City, it's has auxiliary place but it is not people who necessarily donated tens of thousands of dollars to buy police cars, to buy equipment and stuff. Just as a civilian, it would kind of concern me that somebody, because they're able to donate money, and they're friends with the chief, gets to play a role with the police department. No matter what kind of training they've had.
STINSON: It's very concerning. We have actually seen this before. If you think of the movie that's been out recently (INAUDIBLE). John DuPont (ph) who was convicted of murdering Dave Shultz back in 1996. He had been given a great deal of money, given cars, give and use of helicopter, actually set up a firing range for a township police department outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
So we've actually seen this before. And if you think about the troubles that police department's sheriff's offices have with budgets in recent years. You know, it is rather, I'm sure, if you are head of that type of an agency to take someone up on this, and give them the action experiences that they're looking for. It's really pay for play.
COOPER: Yes. Phil, it's good to have you on. Phil Stinson, Dan Bongino, always. Sunny Hostin as well.
Quick reminder, make sure you set your DVR, you can watch 360 any time you like.
Just ahead tonight, breaking news, we now have the identity of the mystery passenger in the South Carolina police shooting, as well as the new tape, what the officer now charged with murder said immediately after he shot and killed a fleeing suspect. You're also going to hear him laugh, that's something that's going to be brought up in court. We'll play the tape for you.
And later, screams from the cargo bay of an Alaska airlines jet after the 737 was already airborne, we have the latest on who was in there and what happened next.
Also, Senator Marco Rubio entering the ring, the presidential race, we will look at what he brings to the race and how he hopes to walk away with the nomination.
[20:18:22] COOPER: The presidential race got a little more crowded today, joining Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and potentially Jeb Bush on the Republican side, today freshman Florida senator Marco Rubio.
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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: Grounded by the lessons of our history, but inspired by the promise of our future, I announce my candidacy for president of the United States.
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COOPER: He made the announcement today at Miami's freedom tower, where so many Cuban immigrants got their first taste of life in America more than 50 years ago. But other than that gesture, Senator Rubio's message today was very consciously aimed at looking forward, not back.
Dana Bash was there for the event joins us now.
Touching on a lot of themes tonight, the senator did, none more so than the story of where he came from and how that's shaped the man that he is today.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. And that story, Anderson, really put him on the political map. I've been going back and looking at some of his old speeches, including from when he was 34 years old, when he was the incoming speaker of the state house here in Florida. And he gave the same kind of speech moving speech about his family, about his parents, and about so many other people in this country who had the same kind of story, and can only get ahead in a country like this, it really is the American dream. And that -- there's no -- as I said to an adviser who kind of agreed to me that today, why reinvent the wheel? I mean, it's been working for him for so long this story on a state level and on a -- just to go to the Senate, why not use it to run for president?
COOPER: Also today, no uncertain terms, he framed this election as a generational choice, which is a not so subtle dig at Hillary Clinton.
[20:19:57] BASH: Not at all. I mean, he all but said her name, and that was one of the biggest applause lines that was in the room in the freedom tower, which is what you see behind me. That was certainly aimed at Hillary Clinton, the idea that he is a 43-year-old. She is a 60 something-year-old, and it's time for a new generation. He has been using that line many, many times.
However, there is somebody else who is going to be a competitor in the nearer term, and that is his mentor, Jeb Bush, who is also 60- something. And the line that struck me in his speech was saying that he's not going to wait his turn. Some people say, wait your turn, but he's not going to do that, because he believes his time has come now.
It struck me, Anderson, because so many people I speak who I speak to hear who are good friends with both of them, who are supporters of both of them, say they're upset that Rubio isn't waiting his term, because he is a generation younger, and that if Jeb Bush wants to run, that he should be supporting his mentor.
COOPER: What is their relationship like now, do we know? I mean, the fact that they're both going to be running.
BASH: You know, I'm told that it's not necessarily strained, but they're certainly not on the phone all the time, as you can imagine. They happen to sit next to each other randomly on the plane, going to Nashville for the NRA convention within the past week, and they certainly talked. Anna Navarro who is friends with both of them said that Rubio even was joking about the speech he was working on, while he was sitting next to Bush.
But look, I mean, it certainly is not an easy thing when you have somebody like Jeb Bush who really -- just even at looking at the public statements, never mind what went on privately, was his intellectual mentor, Rubio's intellectual mentor when it came to just pushing the ideas that Rubio has been pushing for the last 15 years or so.
COOPER: Dana, I appreciate the reporting, thank you.
Tonight, we have polling on how Senator Rubio and Hillary Clinton face off, now that both are in the running. The most recent for mid-March, show Rubio with 42 percent support in the head to head matchup. That's 13 points shy of Secretary Clinton's 55 percent. She, of course, now heading by van to Iowa after announcing her candidacy yesterday in a highly produced video.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm running for president.
Americans have fought their way back from tough economic times. But the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top.
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COOPER: She's out on the street with people in our relaxed setting, quite a contrast from her rather formal looking video the last time around.
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CLINTON: I announce today that I'm forming a presidential exploratory committee. I'm not just starting a campaign, though many I'm beginning a conversation.
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COOPER: Now, clearly change from eight years ago, and there have already been others as the Clinton forces draw lessons from the past that they hopefully ease the way to the White House.
More on that tonight from our Jeff Zeleny.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The second time around, you'll hear less of this --
CLINTON: And I'm in it to win it.
ZELENY: You'll see less of this.
CLINTON: Thank you all so much.
ZELENY: And there will almost certainly be no helicopter or as she called it, the hillicopter, whisking her from stop to stop last time in Iowa. The list of lessons learned for Hillary Clinton is long. She's had seven years to think about mistakes and how she intends to campaign for president differently this time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm getting ready for a lot of things.
ZELENY: Some of those differences were on clear display in her announcement video released on Sunday. The first time it was all Hillary, all the time.
CLINTON: Let's talk. Let's chat. Let's start a dialogue about your ideas and mine.
ZELENY: But now, she let people speak for themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every day we're trying to get more and more ready and more prepared.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right now I'm applying for jobs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm getting ready to retire soon.
ZELENY: Until finally, as almost an afterthought, she appeared on screen and said it.
CLINTON: I'm getting ready to do something too. I'm running for president.
ZELENY: This campaign she says is not about her political ambitions, it's about you.
CLINTON: Every day Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion.
ZELENY: The road to the White House begins with the Iowa caucuses. That's her first official campaign stop on Tuesday. But she said no thanks to an airplane ticket and instead took a road trip, riding along more than 1,000 miles to prove the point that this campaign will be different.
CLINTON: So I'm hitting the road to earn your vote because it's your time. And I hope you'll join me on this journey. ZELENY: Never mind that by her own admission, she hasn't driven a car
in 20 years. So whether this ride along road trip is a gimmick or genuine, the voters will ultimately decide. But there's no question it's one of the lessons learned. She intends to pursue a different path to the presidency. While she's eager to reintroduce herself --
CLINTON: I'm back.
ZELENY: She knows it can't look as though she's reinventing herself or be authentic. She's about to test whether one of the most famous people in the world will be given a second chance.
Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Washington.
[20:25:11] COOPER: All right. So tonight, two new candidates in the last day and a half, including the Democratic front-runner and rising GOP star. That's not the only reason to remember this moment. There's also this, tonight is our very first chance at the 2016 presidential campaign to say time to bring in the political panel. I sense we are going to be saying that a lot in the coming year or two.
Welcome back, democratic strategist Paul Begala. He co-chairs a pro- Clinton super Pac and served as President Clinton's top advisor, also, chief national correspondent John King, and GOP strategist Ana Navarro, who is both a supporter of Jeb Bush and a friend of Marco Rubio.
So Paul, yet again, we're hearing that Hillary Clinton is being reintroduced. Doesn't it seem like she's been reintroduced an awful lot and haven't people pretty much made up their minds about her one way or another?
PAUL BEGALA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: The short answer is yes, but there's still a lot people don't know. You know, I'm surprised people think she was born in the White House or whatever. She needs to reconnect with her authentic roots, which are in -- like this trip on the van. This is how she wanted to run for president. Here is what I know. Back in 2007, she was thinking about running for president, I went to dinner with her. And I had worked in Iowa, help the candidate win the Iowa caucus back in 1998. She didn't know anything about Iowa. We talked about it and I talked about how grassroots is, she said to me then, you know, if I had my drudgers I would rent a car and drive across the state. And yet in that 2008 campaign, she flew in on a helicopter like the queen of Sheba. That campaign was annethetical (ph) to her actual values and her real identity. This campaign is at least starting with the premise that let's actually go the campaign around who Hillary truly is. So I'm very happy as a friend of hers.
COOPER: Ana, do you believe she can reintroduce herself as somebody, you know, kind of just a regular lady from the Midwest?
ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I'm not even sure she's going to introduce herself, because one of the things we saw very little of in that introduction video was Hillary Clinton. For the first 90 seconds, I thought we were watching a snuggle commercial for fabric softener, you know. It wasn't until 90 seconds into the commercial that she actually came out and we saw a snippet of her.
I don't know if she's going to be able to reintroduce herself, but she has hired marketing geniuses and marketing experts to rebrand her. She hired, you know, Michelle Obama's communication guru, the woman who suggested to Michelle Obama she go to Target, that she dance on Jimmy Fallon to make her a relatable woman of the people. And I think that's the attempt you're seeing this weekend with this video.
COOPER: John, what do you think about the shifting in campaign strategy or tactics?
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Look, I remember Hillary Clinton from the late '80s or early '90s. She can be a fun conversationalist. She is fun to have a beer with. She does tell very funny jokes. She has that Bob Dole, David Letterman Midwest cutting sense of humor. So let's see if we get more of Hillary Clinton. People think they know Hillary Clinton, let's see if we get more.
I will also see this. And it talked to Paul about this, this morning while we were in here. Yes, Hillary Clinton took a helicopter in Iowa last time, because maybe she wanted to get in the van. Some advisers suggested the helicopter. They told her it was better. She accepted that advice.
So for all the new people she can hire in this campaign, for all the better people, all the different people, the question is what decision does she makes. She's the candidate, she is the CEO. If she wants to be different, she's going to have to prove it.
And just today, Anderson, we'll wait for the explanation, maybe there's a good one. But our friend Maggie Haberman of "the New York Times," a CNN contributor, had to call the manager of the Chipotle in Ohio who had to look at the security video to prove that it was Hillary Clinton to stop in a Chipotle today. She went to chipotle, she got lunch apparently, and she didn't talk to anybody.
Ohio's kind of important in presidential politics. And if Bill Clinton were on that ride, he would still be in that Chipotle and would have known a third of the people.
COOPER: Paul, he would be serving food in that Chipotle, wouldn't he?
BEGALA: He would still be eating the burrito off the table next to him. But he is not running. Hillary has got to be who she is, maybe she just want to plane people while they are trying to eat the burrito.
NAVARRO: Well, Bill is vegan now. So the most he would eat is (INAUDIBLE).
COOPER: So let's talk about Senator Rubio her, Paul. I mean, he has been compared a lot to then senator Obama served in 2007, young first term senator, not a lot of experience, great speaker. But at this time, eight years ago, Obama - I mean, he helped what, 26 percent in early polling, Rubio at six percent, do you think he has a real shot here?
BEGALA: I do, I really do. (INAUDIBLE) for Ana, she actually knows him personally. And she knows and feels better. But, this guy's got a lot of talent. He has a really compelling personal story as does Barack Obama. And that is something that draws a senate. It's an all American story. He's bilingual. He's from the closest state in the last presidential election, Florid, which Barack Obama only won by less than one percent. I wouldn't count him out at all. I mean, I think he has a ton of talent. Let's see if he can develop that talent, actually perform now that he is on the track.
COOPER: Ana, as we said, you are friend of Senator Rubio, also support former governor Jeb Bush, I read one GOP strategist say today that Jeb is built in New York Yankees, Marco is playing Money Ball. Do you think that's a comparison?
NAVARRO: I'm not sure Marco is going to be (INAUDIBLE) for himself, you know. I think he has got a couple of billionaires who are backing him. And all you need right now and just to run
[20:30:00] his announcement, and with Rand Paul, and we're going to see happen with Hillary Clinton I'm sure. It's part of them being the bell of the ball, as one day, the debutant party, we have a long way to go, there's debates, and I think the question you pose at the beginning is the key question. Yes, there are some comparisons to Barack Obama, they're both in their 40s, they were, you know, rookie senators with really no accomplishments, but incredible political skills and ability. Incredible oratory skills. Can he answer the question throughout this primary process of is he ready to lead the free world?
COOPER: And John, I mean, how does Rubio push himself forward? Separate himself from the rest of the pack?
He can't out establishment Jeb Bush. He also probably can't outconservative some of the other candidates.
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: And you've just put the defining challenge for Marco Rubio on the table. He came into Washington with the Tea Party wave, he does have Tea Party credibility, but he's not going to get to the right of Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, for that matter. He was the speaker of the Florida house, he knows the Republican establishment. He's played more as an establishment player. Once in the Senate in Washington, the establishment right now is looking more to Jeb Bush, we still don't know what Chris Christie is going to do. Scott Walker got into the race and took the early space in the I'm not Jeb Bush. And I'm younger next generation. So, the challenge for Marco Rubio is to make that case. But Anderson, I will say this, you talk to people in both parties, we are early in the baseball season, he's viewed by professionals as the best athlete on the field. The question is, can he perform every day over the very long slog that is presidential politics? COOPER: Yeah, it's definitely a marathon. John King, thank you.
Anna Navarro, Paul Pegalas (ph). Well, just ahead, breaking news out of North Charleston, South Carolina, we now know the name of the passenger in Walter Scott's car, he was the last person other than Michael Slager to see Mr. Scott alive. The question is, does he know why he ran.
Plus, new audio tonight of the police officer, Michael Slager's recorded comments after he killed Mr. Scott, what he said and why it's sparking some outrage tonight.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's OK. OK. (INAUDIBLE)]
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COOPER: We now know the name of the man who was in the car with Walter Scott, when former officer Michael Slager first pulled him over. He's obviously a key witness. Presumably he may know why Mr. Scott got out of the car to run after Slager returned to his police cruiser. There's also new audio tonight of Slager talking to a senior officer shortly after he killed Mr. Scott. CNN's Mark Savidge joins me now. So, what do we know about this passenger, first of all?
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: First and foremost, we know the name, and that is Pierre D. Fulton, 29 years of age, he's from North Charleston, the same community that all of this is taking place. And we should also point out that he does have a criminal record. Most seriously, and I guess most recently unlawful carrying of a weapon here. But that's really irrelevant, because as you point out, what is the most important thing, is where he was on that terrible Saturday morning, and that was seated right next to Walter Scott. That's the information that he's conveyed to investigating authorities.
Meanwhile, there's also new information that comes from the police officer, Mark (sic) Slager himself in his own words. Take a listen.
SAVIDGE: Caught on tape, conversations between Michael Slager and another North Charleston police officer, in which Slager can be heard laughing shortly after shooting Walter Scott to death. The audio discovered in dash cam were taken from Slager's patrol car. And the cameras of other responding officers. First we hear Slager getting a phone call from someone, possibly his wife.
MICHAEL SLAGER: Hey? Everything's OK, I just shot somebody. Yeah, everything's OK.
SAVIDGE: In the same call, Slager describes what he says happened.
SLAGER: I grabbed my paper, yes. (INAUDIBLE) SAVIDGE: The audio ends in static, but not before Slager delivers the explanation many have found questionable. The dash cameras also recorded another conversation that appears to be between Slager and an unidentified officer on scene. Possibly a supervisor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you good?
SLAGER: I'm good.
SAVIDGE: The sound becomes inaudible. But 41 seconds later, Slager's voice returns. Then Slager asks the unidentified officer a question.
(on camera): What happens next?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, here - I'm sure SWAT will be on the way. We'll get (INAUDIBLE). I'll get you up there. We'll probably (INAUDIBLE) we'll take all of your possessions (ph), take your (INAUDIBLE) off, take your vest off. It's kind of (INAUDIBLE)
SAVIDGE: There's a few seconds break, then the unidentified officer continues.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once I get here, it'll be real quick. We're going to tell you, you are going to be off for a couple of days, we are not going (INAUDIBLE), they're not going to ask you any kind of questions right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're going to take your weapon and we'll go from there, that's pretty much it. We are going to - The last one we had, they waited a couple of days to interview, official interview. (INAUDIBLE) and see what happens. Probably you get home, probably be a good idea to - had (INAUDIBLE), your thoughts - what happened, and once you -- the adrenaline is pumping and stuff.
SLAGER: Yeah, pumping.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
SAVIDGE: To some the laugh is just the release after a stressful situation. To others it sounds like a killer too comfortable with another man's death.
Getting back to that mystery rider. Pierre Fulton, we should point out that he has given a statement to the overarching authority that's investigating the death of Walter Scott, and he's not been charged with anything. He's free to go as he wishes. Anderson.
COOPER: And we should point out, he stayed in the vehicle while Mr. Scott ran. In terms of the second officer who arrived on the scene after Mr. Scott was gunned down. The officer we see in the video, there are a number of calls now for some kind of legal action to be taken against him as well, right?
SAVIDGE: Clarence Habersham. Yes. He's the officer that you can see, the African-American officer who comes up on scene. And yes, there's a growing number of the protesters that are saying that he too should be, if not investigated he should be charged with something.
SAVIDGE: Because the claimed that number one, he didn't render aid as he claimed he had done in the police report that he gave. And they believe that in some ways that he's actually aiding officer Slager or former officer Slager in the account that was initially given. So that's why you're hearing that outcry. You don't hear it so much here in the community. Most people are standing by and waiting to see what further investigation reveals.
COOPER: He does put on medical gloves and seems to put pressure at a later time on Mr. Scott. But there's several - I think it's several minutes if I'm not mistaken go by before he actually does that, right?
SAVIDGE: Correct. Right. I mean, you know, putting pressure on him alone, is in fact, I guess you could say, is rendering a sort of first aid, but it seems to take some time before that actually happens. If that's really what he is doing? And then some question, well, there are other accounts saying that CPR was administered when in fact at least in the video, you don't see any of that.
COOPER: Right. Martin Savidge, I appreciate the update.
Up next, we have more breaking news. Screams heard from the cargo bay of an airliner, then an emergency landing.
We'll tell you what happened. Also tonight, baggage thieves working for the airlines caught on camera going through luggage, see what the airlines are doing about it when we continue.
COOPER: Well, there's more breaking news tonight. Emergency landing, in a flight in Seattle, because apparently it took off while a baggage handler was still stuck inside the cargo hold. Alaska Airlines says it's investigating how this happened. The pilot on the flight bound for Los Angeles reported hearing banging from underneath the plane which was in the air for about 14 minutes.
COOPER: After the emergency landing at Seattle, a ramp agent was found inside the front cargo hold. Our aviation correspondent Rene Marsh joins us now with the latest. So, how did this guy get trapped?
RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we can tell you, Anderson, when this ramp agent walked out of the cargo hold on his own upon landing he told authorities that he fell asleep. That's right, he said that he fell asleep in the cargo holds of this aircraft. Once the plane was up in the air, you said that he was banging, he was screaming desperately trying to get someone's attention. Eventually, he did. Take a listen to the moment the pilots realized something was wrong?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't have (INAUDIBLE) like that. I think we have someone in the baggage compartment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There could be a person in there, so we're going to come back around.
MARSH: All right, so there you heard, and that was the moment they declared an emergency. They were forced to turn back around and land in Seattle. Remember, this plane was in the air for 14 minutes, this man in the cargo hold. The saving grace here, that portion of the aircraft was pressurized and temperature controlled. Although he appears like he will be OK, he was transported to the hospital, Anderson.
COOPER: Could passengers also hear him banging?
MARSH: Well, we know that passengers on board, they have been tweeting about this, they were very aware of what was going on, as to whether they heard the screams at the very moment that they were happening, that remains unclear, but what is clear, is we know the pilots knew exactly when they heard that banging and screaming coming from the belly of the plane.
COOPER: All right, Rene, thanks very much.
Another ramp guy had a rough flight, obviously. But a new survey shows that even paying passengers aren't especially thrilled with their experiences. That's according to a new survey by Wichita State, and Embry Riddle aeronautical universities, which shows all major carriers, except three got worse last year in the eyes of passengers. And stories like this next one certainly are not going to help. You are about to see video of baggage thieves caught red handed rifling through luggage. It's a problem nationwide, it's not just about stopping theft. Our senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin tonight has the exclusive video.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: These are airport baggage handlers, thieves inside the belly of a plane, rifling through passengers bags. What are they looking for? The valuables that you packed that you thought would be safe. But in never before seen video obtained by CNN, undercover cameras and the police are catching the baggage handlers in the act. Stealing on planes and in supposedly secure areas of the airport. The video even caught a security guard apparently in on the act.
(on camera): My reaction to seeing those videos is - it's really disgusting. LT. PETER ESTIS, MIAMI-DADE POLICE DEPT.: It's pretty incredible,
GRIFFIN (voice over): The video comes from a sting set up by Miami- Dade police to stop a rash of thefts. 31 ramp workers and baggage handlers have been arrested since 2012, caught on camera red handed.
(on camera): And when you catch them, catch them in the act like you did on these videos, what's their response?
ESTIS: A lot of time there is no response, other than shock that they were caught. And that's OK with us, as many of them that we can take away off of the airfield, the better it is for everybody that travels through Miami International Airport.
GRIFFIN: But it's certainly not just happening in Miami. A CNN analysis finds over the past five years, nearly 31,000 passenger claims of items missing from luggage filed with the TSA, about 25,000 of those claims alleged valuables missing from checked bags. The rest, they disappeared from a TSA check point. 513 TSA officers have been fired for theft since 2002. Including one - items in this secret compartment. It adds up to $2.5 million worth of passenger belongings gone. These petty thefts are a big deal to police chiefs like Pat Gannon at Los Angeles International Airport.
PAT GANNON: I believe there is a connection between baggage thefts and potential terrorism.
GRIFFIN: Gannon and others believe stealing an iPad, rifling through bags is a potential first step toward something much worse.
GANNON: I think that that is a breakdown in their moral fiber, and that's why we take it very seriously here. And if we don't pay attention to the small things that happened around here, that it will lead to a much larger things.
GRIFFIN: The top airport for items reported missing from luggage, JFK in New York. So many insider baggage thefts were going on here. The airline LL set up its own hidden cameras and found workers rifling through luggage, stealing money out of wallets. Seven baggage handlers were arrested for stealing iPhones, iPads, watches, rings, cameras.
GRIFFIN: In Los Angeles, police last year raided homes of baggage handlers. According to the airport police chief, the case led to a major reduction in missing items from luggage.
GANNON: We cut thefts in those two terminals by nearly 60 percent because of doing that aggressive investigative work.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Insider threat is very scary for us in law enforcement. And certainly taking somebody's cell phone, iPad, computer, what's next? GRIFFIN: For the traveler, the concern can be eliminated with one
simple tip. Don't pack anything of value inside a checked bag. And in that last minute push to check bags at the gate. Make sure you remove anything that a common thief would find appealing. Because those thieves are everywhere, even in the belly of an airplane. Drew Griffin, CNN, Miami.
COOPER: Amazing to see that video.
Just ahead, convicted murderer Jodi Arias finally learns her fate after speaking in her own defense at that sentencing hearing.
COOPER: Surprise to some, at the trial of Aaron Hernandez, the jury deliberated for a fifth day without reaching a verdict. The former NFL star is charged in the 2013 killing of Oden Lloyd. At the time of the killing, Hernandez had a $40 million contract with the New England Patriots. His trial lasted two months. The jurors have a lot of testimony and evidence to weigh. CNN Susan Candiotti joins us for clues as to why it may be taking longer than a lot of observers had - What's the latest tonight, Susan?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anderson. Well, over the course of five days this jury has sent out seven notes, including one today where they were asking for scheduled smoke breaks. Now, truth be told, this jury has - it took them two days to actually get a verdict form, a complete exhibit list, and really get rolling, and they asked to only work a half day on Friday, and they're not sequestered or working on the weekends. So it seems as though it's taking time to really get rolling, Anderson.
COOPER: Why does it take them so long to get forms and things like that?
CANDIOTTI: Well, that's a good question. We were asking that same thing too. I can't give you an answer to it, that's just the way it's worked out, but now hopefully they'll be in a rhythm, a full week of deliberations we'll see how it goes.
COOPER: All right, Susan Candiotti, thanks.
There's a lot more happening tonight. Amara Walker has a "360" news and business bulletin. Amara.
AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anderson. In Arizona, judge has sentenced Jodi Arias to life in prison without parole after two juries deadlocked on whether to give her the death penalty. Arias was convicted two years ago of killing her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander. She told the court today she was truly disgusted and repulsed by what she did. A federal judge in Washington has ruled a former Blackwater contractor
will serve life in prison for his part in the fatal mass shooting of 14 unarmed Iraqis in Baghdad eight years ago. Three of his co-workers face 30 years in prison.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the Lamborghini that crashed Sunday at Disney World's exotic driving experience was going 100 miles per hour, when it slammed into a guardrail. The passenger who works at the track was killed, the driver was hospitalized with minor injuries.
And a video has surfaced of that brazen jewelry heist in London over Easter weekend. Authorities say, $300 million worth of items were taken from the safe deposit boxes, the thieves, Anderson, are still on the run.
COOPER: Incredible. Thank you very much, Amara.
Up next, another live hour of 360, Hillary Clinton heading to Iowa for the first event of her 2016 presidential campaign. We're going to have live update from Cedar Rapids and take a look at her long and winding road to the campaign trail, and Marco Rubio entering the race.