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Cosby Admitted to Getting Drugs for Women He Intended to Have Sex With; Interview with Hillary Clinton; FBI Raids Home of Former Subway Spokesman Jared Fogle. Aired 8-9p ET
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[20:00:00] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Hey, good evening. Thanks for joining us.
A very big night ahead. Hillary Clinton's first national interview since entering the 2016 presidential race and you'll see it only here on CNN.
First yet another big development in the Bill Cosby story. Namely, how his owned damaging admission about obtaining drugs for women whom he planned to have sex with came to light. He made it under oath in a court deposition ten years ago and has tried to keep it under wraps.
CNN's Boris Sanchez is now on what may have persuaded the judge to make it public.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was learned the deposition was unsealed, based at least in part on a controversial speech Cosby gave in 2004.
BILL COSBY, COMEDIAN: These are people going around stealing Coca- Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. And then we all run out and we're outraged. The cops shouldn't have shot him. What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?
SANCHEZ: The judge Eduardo Robreno cited Cosby's moral high ground in his pound cake speech as a reason to release the deposition. Writing that while Cosby's celebrity status would not have been enough, he had, quote, "donned the mantle of public moralist and mounted the proverbial electronic or print soap box to volunteer his views, on among other things, childrearing, family life, education and crime,' end quote.
With the release of excerpts of that 2005 deposition, it is Bill Cosby's own words that provide the strongest evidence so far for more than two dozen women alleging the 77-year-old comedian drugged and raped them.
In it, Cosby admitted to having seven prescriptions for Quaaludes. He was asked, when you got the Quaaludes, was in it your mine that you would use the Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with? Cosby responded, yes. That admission, thrilling to Victoria Valentino who says Cosby drugged her in 1970.
VICTORIA VALENTINO, ACCUSES BILL COSBY OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTING HER: I was absolutely elated. I couldn't stop screaming, you know. I was going, oh, my God, oh, my God. Because obviously, we already knew. So this was just validation and vindication.
SANCHEZ: The deposition also reveals that when lawyers pressed Cosby, asking did you ever give any of those young women the Quaaludes without their knowledge. Cosby's attorney stepped in, telling him not to answer the question. He is also asked about another woman. Quote, "she meets me backstage. I give her Quaaludes. We then have sex," end quote. Cosby also says, I can't judge at this time.
COOPER: And Boris Sanchez joins us now. We lost the audio and apologize for that just at the end of that.
Has Bill Cosby or his representatives made any comments about this?
SANCHEZ: His attorney has essentially said that no authorized comment has been put out and his publicists have said there are no plans to put out a comment so we'll just have to wait and see.
COOPER: All right. Boris, thank you very much.
Joining us now is CNN legal analyst Mark Geragos. Also, one late note from Los Angeles police department. The department says we reiterated that there is at least one investigation still ongoing into allegations of assault.
So Mark Geragos is here to talk about it. Also, attorney and legal affairs commentator Areva Martin and Dr. Drew Pinsky, addiction medicine specialist and host of HLN's "Dr. Drew."
So Mark, this deposition, I mean, the idea that it was made public because in part the judge said there was a stark contrast between Bill Cosby the public moralist and Bill Cosby the subject of serious allegations regarding improper conduct. Does that make sense to you?
MARK GERAGOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, it does in this sense. He was looking for kind of this balancing of whether or not you're a public figure, number one. And then what is the kind of compelling reason to keep it locked up. And he found, look, if you're going to don the mantle of a public scold, so to speak, then it is going to be released.
The worst thing about this deposition besides the fact that lawyer should have tackled him before he answered some of these questions, was the fact that now, they did not get this thing destroyed as part of the settlement agreement. And now this is going to reinvigorate the investigation that's already open in L.A. And so, some clever prosecutor, and actually I saw something on the wires today about a candidate in Pennsylvania who is going to try to, if elected, gin up a perjury prosecution. And that's exactly what you worry about in a case like this. When somebody is out there making public statements, and yet they know
they've got sworn testimony that contradicts that, that is a real problem. That's when you want to take a two by four to the client's head.
COOPER: Mark, you are telling -- you were saying that the Cosby's attorney should not have let him answer some of these questions?
GERAGOS: Absolutely. Because if you go farther in this deposition, you will see where the attorney finally, when the light bull goes off, tells him don't answer this. I'm instructed not to answer. The damage had already been done by that point. I mean, he hadn't gotten to kind the last element of what they needed to prove that it was a rape by intoxication. But they provided kind of virtually everything else you need.
In California, there are some problems. There's now a brand new statute that some prosecutor may -- creative prosecutor may use and this is going to give fodder to other prosecutors in other jurisdictions where he is denying stuff. And where he's saying other things and making public pronouncements, a real problem.
[20:05:30] COOPER: Areva, what do you make of the pound cake speech being cited by this judge? Because a lot of people, the time of (INAUDIBLE), directly addressing those issues in that speech.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: Well, we should be clear, Anderson, when you say a lot of people, a lot of people in the African-American community were livid with Bill Cosby about a lot of these contents of those speeches. He talked about African-American women and accused them of being welfare cheats and accused us as women of not taking care of our children. You know, that the speeches were really harsh criticisms of the African-American community. So it is ironic that that speech is what the judge says, compelled him to release these documents. So, you know, many in the African-American community have not stood by Bill Cosby even before the deposition testimony was revealed because of those speeches and because of the way that he so harshly criticized our community.
COOPER: Dr. Drew, Quaaludes in the '70s, and for those who haven't read this deposition, Cosby is essentially saying that he had a number of prescriptions for Quaaludes going back into the '70s. It was a pretty popular recreational drug, was not it?
DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST, DR. DREW: It was. At one time before the Diazepine (ph) has been class, the valium drugs, the even the ambien (ph) drugs, those sorts of medication came and replaced anything even like this. Quaaludes became almost exclusively a recreational drug. It sort of bizarre. By the time he seemed to have been continuing to get prescriptions for this, it seems, it was already something that was not really not commonly prescribed for clinical purposes. It was still kind of available. But there was so much better medication out. It was bizarre that he had so many prescriptions for Quaaludes.
COOPER: Well, but that's what we don't know, at least I couldn't understand from this deposition. Because it seems like it is saying that he had prescriptions in the '70s for these Quaaludes. This was a deposition in 2005. Clearly, those prescriptions would not have lasted. I don't think Quaaludes are still manufactured in the United States. I don't think they are currently.
PINSKY: That's right.
COOPER: So, I'm assuming --
PINSKY: I thought I was hearing '70s and '80s. And even into the '80s, it is bizarre for there to have been getting prescriptions for Quaaludes. I bet it has happened, but it was unusual. And then he were hoarding them?
COOPER: I assume the allegation though -- the allegation though would be that had switch, if in fact these allegations are true, that he had switched to some other class of drugs by the '90s, the 2000s.
PINSKY: It's possible. But I have to tell you, the way these women describe what happened to them, it did sound like a Quaalude intoxication. The magnitude of the muscle relaxation. The fact they were couldn't propagate through space. The degree to which that was a prominent system. The sort of confusion state and the extreme memory difficulty associated with alcohol. That is kind of consistent with Quaaludes. These other medications, you have to take an awful lot of to get those sorts of effects.
COOPER: Mark --
GERAGOS: Although --
COOPER: Go ahead, Mark.
GERAGOS: I was just going to say, although, you know, there is a lot of the people that I see when they're testifying about GHB, having similar kind of narrative that they give. And you never really know because you don't know who is administering it and what kind of quantities, things like that. And you know, the Quaaludes, ironically, within the last month, were also in the news in the Hugh Hefner thing where he supposedly quoted as calling them thigh openers or something like that. There was a time when they were a very popular drug in California and in Hollywood specifically.
COOPER: Well, I remember the stories about studio 54, and you know, Steve (INAUDIBLE), used to run the place, used to apparently have a jug of Quaaludes that he would hand out to people from his office.
Areva, three of the women accusing Cosby of sexually assaulting them have a pending defamation lawsuit against him. They say he defamed them when his agents' said their accusations were not true. Could this now public admission from him bolster that defamation case?
MARTIN: Absolutely. I think these women who now have again been vilified in the media and had to withstand all the denials from Bill Cosby and his team are going to use those statements to say, look, the whole point of defamation case is to prove truth and now we have evidence. We have truth that you did purchase drugs or somehow obtain drugs and you did so for the sole purpose of having sex with women. To create women -- to prevent women from being conscious and to have sex with them. So I think these statements are very damaging and very helpful to the women who have defamation lawsuits.
And it is going to empower other women to come forward. Those who -- also, we heard on your show last night, there are probably 48, if not even close to 100 more women who may have claims against Bill Cosby. And I think those women are going to come out of the wood work and we are going to see more lawsuits being filed.
[20:10:08] COOPER: Areva, appreciate you being with us. Mark Geragos, Dr. Drew as well.
Make sure you set your DVR. You can watch "360" whenever you want.
Coming up next, how Bill Cosby has addressed these allegations, or perhaps hasn't addressed them more specifically or tried to deflect them. Also, how his once considerable and star power help him do that.
Later, CNN exclusive, Hillary Clinton's first national interview since declaring her candidacy. What she said about the race on Democratic rival's Donald Trump and polling that shows the majority isn't sure they can trust her.
[20:14:22] COOPER: Even before the deposition came out, support for Bill Cosby had been eroding fast. Today, the largely African-American broadcast network bounced TV dropped the Cosby show effective immediately. Former Cosby backers, one after another, they have also been backing away. And where once he had a seemingly bottomless well of public trust and affection to draw from, the well seems to be running dry.
"360's" Randi Kaye now on Bill Cosby's credibility gap and his own role in widening it.
COSBY: You wear funeral clothing?
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Once America's favorite dad, now the king of no comment. Bill Cosby has yet to directly answer a question about the allegations of sexual assault leveled against him. Listen to this response to ABC in May.
[20:15:07] COSBY: It's interesting. This is a situation that's unprecedented. My family, my friends, I have been in this business 52 years and I will, I've never seen anything like this. And reality is the situation and I can't speak.
KAYE: Reality is the situation. What he meant by that answer is still unclear. But at least he answered it, sort of. On national public radio last fall during an interview that was supposed to be about Cosby's artwork, questions about the allegations were met with silence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This question gives me no pleasure, Mr. Cosby, that there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days. You're shaking your head no. I'm in the news business. I have to ask the question. Do you have any response to those charges? Shaking your head no.
KAYE: NPR host Scott Simon shared more color about Cosby's reaction with CNN.
SCOTT SIMON, HOST, NPR'S WEEKEND EDITION SATURDAY: He gave that I would refer to this as delightful and this kind of little Cosby smile at first and then was silent and didn't answer the question.
KAYE: When an Associated Press reporter asked Cosby last November if he wanted to comment on what his accusers said, he got this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to ask about your name coming up in the news recently regarding this comedian --
COSBY: No, no, we don't answer that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I just wanted to ask if you wanted to respond about whether or not any of that was true.
COSBY: There is no response.
KAYE: And then Cosby took it one step further.
COSBY: Can I get something from you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's that?
COSBY: That none of that will be shown?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't promise that myself. But you didn't say anything.
COSBY: And I would appreciate it if it was scuttled.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear you. I will tell that to my editors and I think that they will understand.
COSBY: I think if you want to consider yourself to be serious, that it will not appear anywhere.
KAYE: Backstage, before one of his shows in Florida last November, Cosby wasn't up for talking much either. He told "Florida Today," I know people are tired of me not saying anything but a guy doesn't to have answer to innuendos. People should fact check. People shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't answer to innuendos. Innuendos or is the truth finally out?
Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: Well, joining us, one of many women who we should mention has come forward and now who has spent several generations, somewhere vulnerable points in their careers and their lives. Beverly Johnson was already an accomplished and pioneering model. The first African- American woman ever on the cover of "Vogue" magazine. We are pleased to have her on the program tonight that we wish it was certainly under different circumstances.
Beverly, first of all, when you hear Bill Cosby in that piece say these are innuendos, and now given what he said in court documents, what is your reaction?
BEVERLY JOHNSON, COSBY ACCUSER: Well, my reaction is when I read the court documents or when I hear him speak, I'm just not surprised. I think that, you know, the truth has no expiration date on it. And the truth somehow finds its way to the light and out of the darkness and I think that that's what has happened.
COOPER: Because to say that what you have said, or others have said are innuendos, I mean, these are specifying allegations with dates and times and very specific memories. And I hate to ask you to kind of relive this. But can you talk about what happened to you in the mid '80s? I understand you were in Bill Cosby's home reading for a part in the Cosby show. I understand he took you upstairs after dinner and then what happened?
JOHNSON: Well, you know, it is a much longer story. You know, there was me actually going to the studio. You know, the calling of the agency, me going to the studio, me bringing my daughter down to the studio, and then it was the audition and then me bringing my daughter to his home. And then the fourth meeting was when I was drugged by being offered a cappuccino.
I had the, I did my memoirs and I decided that I would tell this incident to the writer. And we did it. And my editor at the time at Simon and she just said, you know, I'm glad you did this chapter but it probably won't go in the book. And it wasn't until after Barbara Bowman and after I did the piece on "Vanity Fair" that the publisher came back to me and said about, that chapter, we would like to add it now.
And that's basically what's been going on. It is a metaphor for what has been going on for decades. We know these things are happening. We try to give it a voice and we get shut down when we do. And I'm here tonight on your show because I have a voice. And I want to be heard. I want to stand with the women who I believe have been abused and sexually assaulted. And I myself was drugged by Cosby.
[20:21:02] COOPER: And you mentioned this cappuccino. You believe there was something in that Cappuccino. And I understand he was insistent that you drink it.
JOHNSON: Yes. You know, I took a sip and I immediately, I don't know what drug that was, but I immediately was woozy. I knew I had been drugged. And then I even took a second sip. And it was so overwhelming, that drug in the Cappuccino, that I became enraged with him. I guess it was just a survival insisting and I think that's what actually saved me from what happened to the other women.
COOPER: You actually fought him off.
JOHNSON: And he tossed me out.
Well, I called him a name and I couldn't stop saying that particular name and comment. And eventually, the next thing I remember is I was in a taxi and I actually managed to get my address out and I passed out in the taxi on the way home.
COOPER: And I understand, I mean, you called him a few days later for an explanation. Did you actually talk to him?
JOHNSON: Well, what happened was, I did after I recovered, which was a few days. I was livid. You know, you go through a range of emotions. You're disappointed, you know. You question yourself. I remember getting in the taxi and saying, did I just call Bill Cosby an MF? Here I am worried about him. Before passing out. It is just -- so what happened was I did. Once I, I wanted to confront him. And his wife answered the phone. And I thought, OK, this is the number he gave me to call. And she said, you know, it's late or whatever. I was in California. I called New York. I got the time mixed up. And I just said, well, you know, Camille, just tell Bill I will be calling back. I wanted an explanation. And I realized I wasn't ever going to get that explained. And I realized what I was up against. And like most people, or women, particularly, that encounter this kind of abuse, you don't say anything. It would be abnormal if you did and I didn't.
And I'll say another thing. That if I had known that he was that type of man, there would have been no way I would have gone to that house. It was shrouded. There was a circle of people that kept this so -- I had no idea. And by me not speaking out, and all of the other people that, you know, ran into this person and they not speaking, it went on and decades after decades. Then when people tried to, it was covered up.
But, you know, we're here now. We're here now. I think the message for me is that women, we do have a voice. And we should use it. And if I can convince a woman out there, or my daughter, who is so proud of me and I have a 4-year-old granddaughter, that, you must. You absolutely must speak up and have a voice. If anything like that ever happens to you. It is not OK. And it won't be tolerated.
COOPER: Beverly, I appreciate you using your voice tonight and being with us. Thank you so much. Beverly Johnson.
JOHNSON: Thank you.
COOPER: When we come back, Hillary Clinton campaigning in Iowa. Sitting down exclusively with CNN. She talks taxes and surprisingly strong challenge from the left and Vermont senator Bernie Sanders. She also talks about trust as in how to earn it from skeptical voters and takes on her GOP opponents.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [20:29:03] COOPER: In the first national television interview of her presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton sat down with CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar today in Iowa. Their conversations covered everything from she thinks to Donald Trump's immigration comments to why she thinks polls show that some Americans don't find her trustworthy.
Throughout the next hour and a half, we are on until 10:00 tonight, we are going to bring you the entire interview. Here's part one.
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Secretary Clinton, thank you for talking to us today. You're here in Iowa for a couple of events. You're the front runner in this state. But we're also seeing Bernie Sanders attract a lot of attention. He has had big crowds here, 10,000 people in Wisconsin last week, 7,500 people in Maine last night. Why is it, do you think, that someone who is a self-described Democratic socialist is really attracting this organic interest that your campaign seems to be struggling a little with?
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, I always thought this would be a competitive race. So I am happy to have a change to get out and run my campaign as I see fit and let other candidates do exactly the same.
[20:30:04] I feel very good about where we are in Iowa. We are signing up thousands of volunteers, people committed to caucus for us. We have a committed supporter in every one of the 1,600 precincts. And one of the things that I learned last time is it's organize, organize, organize. And you've got to get people committed and then they will follow through, and then you bring more people.
So I feel very good about where my campaign is. It will be three months and a few days that we've been at this. I think I've learned a lot from listening to people in Iowa. And it has actually affected what I say and what I talk about on the campaign trail. So I couldn't be happier about my campaign.
KEILAR: Senator Sanders has talked about how if he's president, he would raise taxes. He said to CNN's Jake Tapper, he would raise them substantially higher than they are today. On big corporations, on wealthy Americans. Would you?
CLINTON: I will be laying out my own economic policies. Again, everybody has to run his or her own campaign. And I'm going to be telling the American people what I propose and how I think it will work, and then we'll let voters make up their minds.
KEILAR: Is raising taxes on the table?
CLINTON: I'm going to put out my policies, and I'll let other people speak to their policies. Because I think we have to both grow the economy faster and fairer, so we have to do what will actually work in the short term, the medium term and the long term. I will be making a speech about my economic proposals on Monday, and then I look forward to the debate about them.
KEILAR: I'm wondering if you can address a vulnerability that we've seen you dealing with recently. We see in our recent poll that nearly 6 in 10 Americans say they don't believe you're honest and trustworthy. Do you understand why they feel that way?
CLINTON: Well, I think when you are subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that are largely fomented by and coming from the right --
KEILAR: But do you bear any responsibility for it?
CLINTON: Well, I can only tell you that I was elected twice in New York against the same kind of onslaught. I was confirmed and served as secretary of state. And I think it is understandable that when questions are raised, people maybe are thinking about them and wondering about them. But I have every confidence that during the course of this campaign, people are going to know who will fight for them, who will be there when they need them, and that's the kind of person I am and that's what I will do. Not only in a campaign, but as president.
KEILAR: Trusting someone to fight for them and trusting someone, these are two different things. Do you see any role that you've had in the sentiment that we've seen, where people are questioning whether you're trustworthy?
CLINTON: I can only tell you, Brianna, that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years. And at the end of the day, I think voters sort it all out. I have great confidence. I trust the American voter. So I trust the American voter 100 percent, because I think, you know, the American voter will weigh these kinds of accusations.
People write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us. And even admit they have no evidence. But of course, it is your job to cover it. So of course that will raise questions in people's minds. But during the course of this campaign, just as in my two prior campaigns, and in my other years of service, I have a lot of confidence that the American people can sort it all out.
KEILAR: Would you vote for someone you don't trust?
CLINTON: Well, people should and do trust me. And I have every confidence that will be the outcome of this election.
I cannot decide what the attacks on me will be, no matter how unfounded. And I'm well aware of the fact that it is your job to raise those, and we'll do our best to respond to them. But I think what people talk to me about, and that's all I can go on, is the, literally thousands of people that I've seen in the course of this campaign. They want to know what I'm going to do for the economy, what I'm going to do for education, what I'm going to do for health care. And they trust me to have a plan and to be committed to carry out that plan. And they should, because I will.
COOPER: Brianna Keilar joins us now. You know, it's interesting, you asked her right off the top about Bernie Sanders. She basically just completely -- doesn't even seem to want to talk about Bernie Sanders. She makes no mention of him by name. She basically tried to avoid that.
KEILAR: No, she did. And instead, what she was saying essentially, Anderson, was I'm going to play my game, he's going to play his game. And she was saying that she learned from 2008, which is that then Senator Obama bested her not just in enthusiasm, but really in organization, in taking supporters and turning them into volunteers and caucus goers on caucus night that helped him win here in Iowa. So she is really trying to harness that organizing capability that his campaign was able to master last time she ran for president. We're seeing that here today. This was an event to have some of her supporters here from different areas around Iowa and to really show she's learned her lesson.
COOPER: Brianna, thank you very much. We'll have more of Brianna's exclusive interview with Hillary Clinton coming up, including what she has to say about Donald Trump's recent remarks about illegal immigrants from Mexico.
COOPER: This is Hillary Clinton's first national TV interview since she announced her race for the 2016 White House. Clinton sat down with Brianna Keilar of CNN and told her what she thought of Donald Trump's recent comments on illegal immigration. Take a look.
KEILAR: Donald Trump is also creating quite a lot of commotion on the other side. He is a friend of yours, has been over the years. He donated to your Senate campaign and to the Clinton foundation.
What's your reaction to his recent comments that some Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals?
CLINTON: I am very disappointed in those comments. And I feel very bad and very disappointed with him and with the Republican Party for not responding immediately and saying enough, stop it. But they are all in the same general area on immigration. They don't want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across the spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile toward immigrants. And I'm going to talk about comprehensive immigration reform. I'm going to talk about all of the good, law-abiding, productive members of the immigrant community that I personally know, that I've met over the course of my life, that I would like to see have a path to citizenship. KEILAR: What about Jeb Bush's approach to that? It is different
certainly than Donald Trump's.
CLINTON: He doesn't believe in a path to citizenship. If he did at one time, he no longer does. So pretty much, as I said, they're on a spectrum of, you know, hostility, which I think is really regrettable in a nation of immigrants like ours, all the way to kind of grudging acceptance but refusal to go with a pathway to citizenship. I think that's a mistake. I think that we know we're not going to deport 11 or 12 million people. We shouldn't be breaking up families. We shouldn't be stopping people from having the opportunity to be fully integrated legally within our country. It's good for us. It's good economically. It's good for the taxes that will be legally collected. It's good for the children, so that they can go as far as their hard work and talent will take them. So I am 100 percent behind comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship.
KEILAR: Last week, an undocumented immigrant who had been deported five times, killed a 32-year-old woman, Kate Steinle in San Francisco, a sanctuary city where local law enforcement does not enforce federal immigration laws. When you last ran for president, you supported sanctuary cities. In light of this terrible incident, does that change anything about your view on this?
CLINTON: Well, what should be done is any city should listen to the Department of Homeland Security, which as I understand it, urged them to deport this man again after he got out of prison another time.
Here's a case where we've deported, we've deported, we've deported. He ends back up in our country. And I think the city made a mistake. The city made a mistake. Not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported.
So I have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on.
However, there are, like, if it were a first-time traffic citation, if it were something minor, a misdemeanor, that's entirely different. This man had already been deported five times. And he should have been deported at the request of the federal government.
KEILAR: What has changed when it comes to your approach with the media? We've seen now, you're doing this interview here today. It has been, since you declared, that you've done a national interview like this. We saw sort of a visual representation of the arms length with the rope incident this weekend in New Hampshire. What has changed? Why now?
CLINTON: Well, nothing has really changed. I just have a different rhythm to my campaign. I'm not running my campaign for the press. I'm running it for voters. I totally respect the press and what the press has to do. But I wanted and was determined to have the time that I needed to actually meet and listen to people.
KEILAR: Have you given any thought to the woman who should be on the $10 bill? (LAUGHTER)
CLINTON: You know, I am very torn about it. I want a woman on a bill. I don't know why they picked the $10 bill. Some people are now agitating for the $20.
KEILAR: The 20, do you think that it should be the 20?
CLINTON: You know, I want a woman on the bill. And I think that it might be easier to change the 20 than it is to change the 10. But we'll see. And I don't like the idea that as a compromise, you would basically have two people on the same bill. One would be a woman. That sounds pretty second-class to me. So I think a woman should have her own bill. And it may be more appropriate to look at the 20 than the 10. I don't know. We'll see.
KEILAR: And finally, I know you've seen your new doppelganger on "Saturday Night Live."
KEILAR: Kate McKinnon.
CLINTON: Yes, yes.
KEILAR: She plays you and she plays Justin Bieber.
CLINTON: That's pretty good. I wish I could sing.
KEILAR: That's quite some range. I know, I know you do. Who is the better Hillary Clinton? Kate McKinnon or Amy Poehler?
CLINTON: Oh, Amy is a friend of mine, and Kate is doing a great job. You're not going to get me to pick one or the other. I think I'm the best Hillary Clinton, to be honest.
So I'm just going to be my own little self and kind of keep going along and saying what I believe in and putting forth the changes that I think would be good for the country. And you know, I'm not looking for ratings. I'm looking for votes.
COOPER: A lot to talk about. Joining me now, chief national correspondent John King, anchor of "Inside Politics," and CNN political analyst and "New York Times" presidential campaign correspondent, Maggie Haberman.
John, for all the topics that Hillary Clinton covered in the interview, it does seem like her comments about Donald Trump have probably gotten the most attention, which kind of tells you all you need to know about the dynamics of this race right now.
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The dynamics of this race and the dynamics frankly of this interview. Look at her face and watch her interview when she is talking about Donald Trump, an issue which she thinks plays to her advantage, helps her keep the Obama coalition together, helps her appeal to Latino voters, helps her appeal to others in the Democratic base and lets take her some swings at the Republicans. And not completely accurate swings about the other Republican candidates and where they stand on these positions, but look at the energy and the passion and the emotion in her eyes when she is giving those answers, compared to when she is being asked, why don't people trust you.
KING: She pulls back.
KING: It is just interesting to watch her style in that interview. It tells you a lot about what she wants to talk about and what she wants to shut down as fast as she can.
COOPER: Maggie, Jeb Bush has responded to Hillary Clinton in part. And what he says is, "she is now running further to the left on immigration policy than even President Obama's White House believes is legally feasible. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected, and her numerous flip-flops on immigration prove it." He clearly sees an opening here.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, NEW YORK TIMES: He sees an opening, but actually that comment won't hurt her. She is appealing, she is running to the left of President Obama on this issue. So she is able to present that to her voters, I'm the person who Jeb Bush is concerned about on this topic. Please vote for me. That's not a problem in terms of the Democratic base.
Her interest is very much as John said, it tells you where she sees this election going. It is going to be immigration reform, it is going to be gun control. It's going to be a couple of key issues. She has clearly got Jeb Bush on her mind. She was very clear in that answer to Brianna about how he may have been for it once before, a pathway to citizenship, but he isn't now. And that was accusing him of a flip-flop. So I'm not surprised he hit her back the same way.
COOPER: And John, the best case scenario for Clinton is to run I guess against Jeb Bush in the general election, because that way neither side can criticize the other for being old news or part of a dynasty. They basically cancel each other out on that whole line of criticism.
KING: There are people in both the Republican campaigns and inside the Clinton campaign who look at this differently. Some agree with you, on the point that if you have Jeb Bush, No. 1, you have got the two dynasties. Therefore, it is what it is. There are others though who worry more about Marco Rubio if he could pull off winning the Republican nomination and grow, that he could make a better generational argument. Look, the Clinton campaign assumes Jeb Bush is going to be the nominee, because they assume the Republican Party will go back to its normal DNA and elect an establishment guy. They know he's had some trouble, but they also know he has the name, they know he has the network, they know he has the money. Jeb Bush would be a very tough general election opponent because of his popularity in a state called Florida. So the Clinton campaign -- Maggie has this dead right. They are not worried about -- yes, they think Jeb Bush will be the Republican nominee. Although they're not certain about that, because the Republican race is such a mess right now. So their campaign right now is don't worry about who that nominee will be. Look at the last two elections. Keep getting -- if you can get 67 percent, 70 percent of the Latino vote, and get them to turn out; if you can get 92, 94, 95 percent of the African American vote and get the turnout to match 2008 and 2012, somewhere in that ballpark, they think they win, period, no matter who the Republicans nominate. Plus, they think she'll get the advantage of being the first female candidate.
COOPER: It's also, Maggie, Brianna asked her I think twice about the untrustworthiness issue, and it is a real issue for her. You look at the poll numbers. The majority of Americans say they don't trust her. And those number have gotten worse for her in the past year. Early on, one of the things -- that people said about Hillary Clinton, her supporters, was that well, she is a known quantity. If she is a known quantity and the majority of Americans don't trust her, that doesn't seem to bode well.
HABERMAN: The way that her people would look at it, is to say, and they're not wrong. This is a problem if this race is in a vacuum, but this race is not in a vacuum. We're going to be running against somebody in the general election, and so those negatives will be what they will be. And I think they assume based on a number of statements, including you're seeing, she is trying to make the entire Republican Party own Donald Trump.
COOPER: She is basically trying to equate his views with the rest of the GOP.
HABERMAN: And she will do that repeatedly. And frankly, there has been an opening that's been created for that to happen. So the hope is going to be on the Democratic side that they'll make the Republicans so, their negatives so high, so toxic to her voters, to Hispanic voters especially, that it is not going to be that big a problem.
But obviously she has taken a hit. And I think the fact that she has not answered a lot of these questions.
I was in New Hampshire over the weekend, and the number of her voters who said to me in Hanover, New Hampshire, on Friday, I really like her but I would like her to talk about these e-mails. I would like her to answer questions on these issues, these quote/unquote speed bumps, was the word a bunch of them used repeatedly. They do want to hear from her. COOPER: Maggie, it's good to have you on. John King as well. We'll
have more of CNN's exclusive interview with Clinton in our next hour, the 9:00 hour. And tomorrow I'll be interviewing Donald Trump. Tune in for that tomorrow night on "360" at 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. We'll be right back. A lot more ahead, including breaking news, the Subway sandwich chain is suspending ties with its long-time spokesman Jared after an early morning raid at his home. We'll tell you what feds were looking for and what kind of trouble might Fogle be in.
COOPER: Subway the sandwich chain has suspended its relationship with its long-time spokesman, Jared Fogle, whose Indiana home was raided this morning by federal investigators. His attorney says Fogle has not been charged with any crimes and is cooperating with authorities. Fogle is now 37. Shot to fame 15 years ago after losing more than 200 pounds, in part through a diet of Subway sandwiches. The question is what were authorities looking for at his house? Ryan Young has been digging on the story. He joins us now with the latest.
What are your sources telling you as to why the home was raided?
RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, that's the question that everyone wants answers to. At this point, we know investigators showed up around 6:30 this morning. They did execute that raid at the home. His children and his wife were allowed to leave, and then investigators started working their way through the home, bringing out computers and hard drives. They even had electronic sniffing dogs in the area so they could see if there was any hidden electronics throughout the home.
Now we're hoping that at some point, investigators give us some of the reasons why they were there. We do know that a former Jared Foundation employee has been arrested and charged with child porn allegations. So right now, it's just a wait-and-see to see exactly what investigators were able to pull off those hard drives and computers.
COOPER: So in a statement today, Subway and Jared Fogle said it was a mutual decision to part ways. Is that correct? It sounds like it's trying to put a good face on things.
YOUNG: Absolutely correct. In fact, we were watching the website throughout the afternoon, and we started seeing some of that stuff being scrubbed off their website. Jared's foundation, any mention of him, and they did release a statement that said, Subway and Jared Fogle have mutually agreed to suspend their relationship due to the current investigation. Jared continues to cooperate with authorities and he expects no actions to be forthcoming. Both Jared and Subway agreed that this was the appropriate step to take. Again to stress, there have been no charges charged to Jared right now, but obviously everyone is trying to figure out exactly why investigators would show up so early in the morning and then go through the forensic files, they are going through the hard drives and everything else there, Anderson.
COOPER: So on the child porn connection, that's a guy who ran his foundation has been charged with child pornography?
YOUNG: Yes, he has. In fact, he faces seven charges. They say they have text messages, computers that show that not only did he have cameras set up at his home, but they're starting to do those forensic files through his computers to show that for a while maybe he was involved in some child pornography.
COOPER: All right. Ryan, appreciate the reporting. Our live coverage continues into the next hour with more reaction to Bill Cosby's bombshell admission in that 2005 deposition. We'll hear from another accuser whose career was just beginning when she crossed paths with Cosby. And I'll also talk with a former D.A. who decided not to bring charges against Cosby ten years ago, and with what he learned now, in this deposition, would this have changed his mind?