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Trump Unleashes Trade Over Portrayal of Him with Women; Trump Hits Back Against Story About His History with Women; Hillary Clinton: Going to Put Bill in Charge of the Economy; Trump Attorney Speaks Out About Treatment of Women. Aired 7-8p ET
Aired May 16, 2016 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:12] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump unleashing a Twitter tirade tonight. We'll tell who you the target is.
And desperate Republicans looking for a Trump alternative that they found another billionaire and reality TV star to run for president. I'll ask that man Mark Cuban of "Shark Tank" next.
Plus, Hillary Clinton on Bill Clinton's role on her administration. Let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight Trump fighting back. Donald Trump slamming the "New York Times" over a story about his past behavior towards women. The paper quoting a former model that Trump dated in the 1990s depicting their first meeting as, quote, "a debasing face to face encounter." But now that former model, Rowanne Brewer Lane says that the report is just not accurate.
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ROWANNE BREWER LANE, DONALD TRUMP'S FORMER GIRLFRIEND: It was completely misleading. They misled me. They took parts of what I said in at least a two hour interview that they did exclusively with me and spun it.
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BURNETT: Trump took to Twitter. He still at it at this hour claiming that the media is conducting a, quote, "witch-hunt against him" singling out the "Times," quote, "With the coming forward today of the woman central to the failing "New York Times" hit piece on me, we have exposed the article as a fraud!" This comes as tonight party insiders continue to push the idea of a third party candidate to take on Trump. One of the most prominent names, Dallas Mavericks owner, reality television star, billionaire businessman Mark Cuban, he is my guest in just a couple of moments. This comes as Trump is meeting with Republicans trying to calm their fears, unite the party around him.
Jim Acosta is OUTFRONT. And Jim, Trump is not letting these media reports go without a fight. It is fair to say that this article though about Trump's relationship with women in the "New York Times" was -- it was a bombshell in certain ways. It was a very negative portrayal. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Erin. It almost using
it to his advantage right now. Donald Trump is swimming against a tide of negative stories right now with the attacks on subjects ranging from his relationships with women to whether he pretended to be his own pr agent. But Trump in his own style is hitting back on Twitter as you said all day long but he is also getting some help.
LANE: He was very genuine. He was very gentlemanly.
ACOSTA (voice-over): She was a key subject in what looked like a blockbuster "New York Times" article depicting Donald Trump as a playboy who objectifies women. But Rowanne Brewer Lane tells CNN, her views on Trump were misrepresented.
LANE: I don't like anything about the story. I'm very upset with "New York Times" article because it was completely misleading. They misled me.
ACOSTA: That was more than enough for Trump who routinely slams the media at his rallies.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The world's most dishonest people. See that? That's the press.
ACOSTA: To blast away at the "New York Times" twitting with the coming forward today of the woman central to the failing "New York Times" hit piece on me, we have exposed the article as a fraud. Trump who has been laying low since his trip to Washington last week has now being subjected to the kind of scrutiny that comes being a party nominee. Take "The Washington Post" story claiming Trump once pretended to be his own PR agent featuring bizarre 25 year old audio recordings.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I'm sort of handling PR because he gets so much of it.
ACOSTA: Top Trump aide Paul Manafort has his doubts.
PAUL MANAFORT, TRUMP ADVISER: I could barely understand it. I couldn't tell who it is. Donald Trump says, it's not him I believe it's not him.
ACOSTA: Trump is also taking hits from British Prime Minister David Cameron who slammed the real estate tycoon's proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims coming in to the U.S. as stupid.
TRUMP: Looks like we're not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows. I hope to have a good relationship with him. But it sounds like he's not willing to address the problem either.
ACOSTA: President Obama was piling on over the weekend at a commencement address at Rutgers.
PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: It's not cool to not know what you're talking about.
It is not keeping it real or telling it like it is. That's just not knowing what you're talking about.
ACOSTA: Much of which is why there's still an effort inside the GOP to find somebody to run as a third-party candidate. CNN has confirmed Mitt Romney has asked Nebraska Senator and never Trump leader Ben Sasse to consider it. Also fielding calls, billionaire Mark Cuban.
REINCE PRIEBUS, CHAIRMAN, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: It's a suicide mission because you're not only changing and throwing out eight years of the White House but you're also throwing out potentially generations in the Supreme Court.
ACOSTA: Meanwhile there's the VP search. Over the weekend, Ben Carson was quoted as naming Chris Christie, as well as Sarah Palin, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and John Kasich as being on Trump's short list. Carson backed away from those comments on CNN earlier today and Trump campaign officials Erin, tells me that Carson was not speaking on behalf of the campaign. And so, the hits keep on coming for Donald Trump but he's still standing -- Erin.
[19:05:03] BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Jim Acosta. And OUTFRONT now, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, star of the hit reality show "Shark Tank," and billionaire businessman Mark Cuban.
Mark, thanks for being with me. The anti-Trump Republicans of course are trying to recruit you to run for be president. Who asked and how did they sell it to you?
MARK CUBAN, OWNER, DALLAS MAVERICKS: Look it was just an e-mail through one of my associates and it was a quick response of no. It's impossible for it to work. There's not enough time to get on ballots. The hurdles are just too great. It was a ridiculous effort. So I passed.
BURNETT: So, ridiculous effort. I mean, that sounds pretty definitive. But I want to make sure you are being definitive.
BURNETT: There is no way you'll end up being an Independent candidate?
BURNETT: Anyway none.
CUBAN: Not even this much. No.
BURNETT: All right. So you say you won't run but yet Mark, I know you are warning that a Trump presidency from what we have seen could be dire, you think stocks, for example, could crash. I mean, it's a significant thing to say. How bad could it be?
CUBAN: Well, let's take a step back, first of all. You know, where Donald has come from to today, you would think that he would be more knowledgeable on the issues that we would look at what he has had to say and say, and you know what, he's really picked up some in depth knowledge, his nuance on different topics whether it's immigration, whether it's the jobs plan, whether the economy whatever it may be but that just hasn't happened. And to me that's a problem. It's apparent that he really hasn't invested the time to really do a deep dive and understand, you know, the issues that we're facing and the things that he says he wants to do.
That's an issue. Now when you have that amount of uncertainty, when there's -- you know, you're flip flopping when you're not sure what the candidate going to say from one thing to another, that uncertainty, you know, potentially has the President of the United States, that's the last thing Wall Street wants to here. And I can say that with 100 percent certainty, that there's a really good chance we could see a huge, huge correction. Even today there was an article on Reuters that said that Carl Icahn supposedly someone who is supporting Donald and has mentoring him in economics and finance has taken on a huge 150 percent short position.
That's not a good thing. That's horrific. And so all those people that look at him and say, you know what? This is the guy to take on the establishment. This is the guy to change the game. Something that I hoped would happen. Unless he comes out with some concrete examples of what he's going do, it could really turn Wall Street up and down and all those 401(k)s from all his followers, their net worth could fall further than Donald would.
BURNETT: I mean, right. Because you're talking about when you say a huge, huge correction, what does that mean? I mean, you think stocks will go down, what 20 percent? Is that reasonable? What could happen? How bad could it be?
CUBAN: It could be 20 percent. You know, now with high frequency trading, accelerating, you know, strong moves in any direction, it could be worse than that. How long? I don't know. It doesn't necessarily mean we'll roll into a recession but I don't think there's any question. Look, let's add to that not only is there uncertainty about his programs but he's taken us into an isolationist mode. And if we're going to be isolated in a global economy with currencies, you know, depending on each other, with central banks trying to work together, were sometimes against each other even in an isolated world that's the worst thing possible. I mean you cannot -- this is a global current, this is a global financial environment. You can't act as a standalone entity.
BURNETT: Yes. And you know, Mark, one of the things about you and Donald Trump, you know, as I mentioned, right? You're a reality television star, you're a billionaire, there's certain similarities between the two of you on paper. You're also not --
CUBAN: At least I'm a billionaire.
BURNETT: Yes. Right. I know that you have questions about his net worth as well, right?
CUBAN: Oh, I'm playing, it doesn't matter. Whatever he's worth he's worth and more power to him. He's worked his butt off to get here so I'll give him credit for that.
BURNETT: All right. You are not afraid of insulting people or hurting their feelings when you feel strongly. That's part of the reason you're a star on "Shark Tank." Here's just a clip for those who weren't familiar.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My b.s. meter is going through the roof.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you serious? Are you that clueless? Seriously are you that clueless?
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BURNETT: I mean, some people watch, they say, OK, there are similarities with Donald Trump. Do you think this is why people are recruiting you to run?
CUBAN: I mean, possibly. Yes. Probably. Right. For two reasons. One they get to see a little bit about me if they watch "Shark Tank" or fans of the Mavericks. And two, they know I have done my homework and they know I understand business which I think hopefully is what they're looking for. And probably three, they know I understand the media. And just like Donald if you look at my history in sports I can get accesso to media anytime, anywhere, anyhow and take advantage of it which is what Donald has done very well to get him to this point.
BURNETT: So, at the beginning of the campaign, you know, you have obviously changed and you alluded to that. But I want to be clear to our viewers. At one point, you know, you talked about Donald Trump, you said he's making everyone else become more real, more honest, less scripted and that's good for politics. That is just a quote of one of several things you said.
BURNETT: You now said look, since then he hasn't taken the time to learn, he hasn't taken the time to become nuanced. I mean, I guess the question is, how smart do you think Donald Trump is?
[19:10:10] CUBAN: Probably not as smart as he thinks he is. Ha-ha. Look I like Donald. And I think he's done a lot of great things. When it comes to real estate I'll defer to him every time. But to be the president of the United States, you have to make an investment, you have to be committed to always learning. In business to be a great CEO, to be a great investor, to be a great entrepreneur, it's not that you won't fail, I mean, everybody is fail. Anybody who is great has had failures. But you have to have a commitment to learning. You have to have a commitment to always finding out what's next.
Donald just hasn't done that. I mean, he won't even learn how to send emails. I mean, there's just certain things that I think have to happen in order to have someone lead this country and when Donald first got into race I was really excited. He definitely changed the game. He deserves credit for that. You know, as I said back then, don't listen to what he says, listen to how he says it because we needed a change. I just expected him to just approach it a lot differently than he has.
BURNETT: So, Mark, if the election were today, literally today, May 16th and it is either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump who gets your vote?
CUBAN: Fortunately it's not today and so I have six months. But I probably would say right now it would be Hillary because the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. I know what Hillary's positions are. I can go to Hillary's website and there's -- there's death, there's analysis, there's details. Go to Donald's website which I have. He lists issues. He lists top line things that he would like to do. But he doesn't say how he's going to get there. You know, the hardest part in any business, the hardest part in running this country is the execution of what you intend to do. It's easy to talk about it. It's easy to draw headlines. It's easy to discuss headlines. But it's very, very difficult because you have to work through the political system. I don't think he's demonstrated at this point that he has a plan to do those things for his top line agenda.
BURNETT: All right. Mark Cuban, thank you very much. I appreciate your time tonight.
And next, inside Donald Trump fight against the media. Plus Hillary Clinton saying she knows what role she would give Bill Clinton if she were elected president. Are voters really getting a, quote-unquote, "two for one deal?"
And Donald Trump with fond memories of his college days.
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TRUMP: I was really a good student at the greatest school, the Wharton school of finance.
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BURNETT: So, what did his former classmates remember? You'll see OUTFRONT.
[19:15:49] BURNETT: New tonight, Donald Trump right now unleashing a series of blistering tweets targeting the "New York Times" after an article called into question, the Republican presumptive nominees treatment of women. Trump attacking the article's writers and the paper. Brian Stelter is OUTFRONT. Brian, this is definitely, he's unleashing
fury at this moment. What is he saying?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Trump continuing this story. Actually giving it more attention by attacking the "New York Times" so many times. We'll show a couple of thing he said tonight including this one calling the "New York Times" failing, saying no wonder the "Times" is failing, who can believe what they write after the false malicious and libelous story they did on me. Those words important because those suggest a lawsuit presidentially. He also continued on by saying, over 50 women were interviewed for the story and yet they only wrote about six. That's because there were so many positive statements.
He's suggesting the other women that were interviewed were more positives speaking about him. In fact there were other women more than six that were included in the story but the lead anecdote, the person that was future from the very begging is the woman who came out this morning criticizing the story saying the "Times" spun her words to make the negative. Trump latched on to that right away, he twitted out saying that what she said proves the entire story is a fraud. And he even called up at the control room here at CNN. He called into the mornings on "NEW DAY" not to go on to the air, but just to make sure that the producers had seen the interview. Now, they already have. But it goes to show how Trump had tried to control and influence the news cycle. He is anti-media, he is radically negative about media at the same time he takes great advantage of it -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Brian Stelter, thank you very much.
OUTFRONT now, Katrina Pierson, a spokesperson for the Donald Trump campaign, Matt Lewis senior contributor at "The Daily Caller" and Maria Cardona, a Hillary Clinton supporter, she currently does work for a pro-Clinton Super PAC.
Thanks to all. Matt, let me start with you. This is the presumptive nominee, Republican nominee. He is out on a Twitter tirade right now. And as I think Brian so importantly pointed out, he is drawing more attention to this story by fighting back against it, something he obviously is purposely doing. What do you think?
MATT LEWIS, SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR, "THE DAILY CALLER": Well, look, I think obviously "The New York Times" made a big mistake the way that they framed this story with the lead being, you know, somebody who later went back and debunked it and essentially said I was taken out of context or mis-portrayed. Having said that, I don't need the "New York Times" to tell me that Donald Trump has a problem with women. I've seen how he treats Megyn Kelly. I've seen how he treats Carly Fiorina.
You know, he's a thrice married, casino magnate and the way the rhetoric that he uses. So, you know, the "New York Times", you know, interviewed 50 people. One of them obviously did not work out for them. But the question is, does Donald Trump have the character, to be the president and if Republicans say that he does, I think we probably owe Bill Clinton an apology because all I heard in the '90s was about how Bill Clinton was this bad character and, you know, it couldn't be -- couldn't, you know, and so maybe we should apologize to Bill Clinton.
BURNETT: So, Katrina, you know, Rowanne Brewer Lane, that is the woman, you know, who is prominently featured in the article and there was a story in there, you know, she was at a party in about 1990 with Donald Trump. She at the time was 26-years-old, a model. He kind of beckoned her inside. They go into a room. He has all these swimsuits and, you know, asked her to put one on and she does. Now, the story is not something she disputes. She disputes that the encounter is portrayed in a negative light. Here she is followed by the "New York Times" response to how they wrote this up.
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LANE: They only took very small bits of my sentences and put them in a way, like, for instance, when I said that Donald said, now that's a stunning Trump, girl my next sentence was, I was very flattered by that comment. And that's not what it says in the article.
MICHAEL BARBARO, CO-WROTE NYT REPORT ON TRUMP'S PAST WITH WOMEN: You know when I interviewed Rowanne she was very clearly, she uses the word taken aback at one point about that example. It's pretty clear from the fact that she went on the date him, that she had a big experience with him, it was an encompassing one, it started off with her being asked to put on a bathing suit and taken out to the pool. And by the end she was traveling with him to Atlantic City in a helicopter and we quoted her warmly and at length.
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BURNETT: Katrina, how much though, I mean, look, they made a mistake but the story facts remain the same. So that part does not change.
[19:20:15] KATRINA PIERSON, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well the context is what changed and I think that she laid that out quite clearly in an interview this morning. This was a total hit piece. This was to continue this narrative about Donald Trump and women particularly things from the past where there has been a lot of contention there. But look, Erin, here's the thing. A multibillionaire had girlfriends? That's not breaking news. Someone who owns the Miss Universe beauty pageant likes beautiful woman. That's also not breaking news. And for Matt to contrast that with Bill Clinton in the '90s, the difference here is, Donald Trump was a private citizen and a public figure. Bill Clinton was using his power.
LEWIS: Bill Clinton didn't use his power --
PIERSON: Pulling them into the Oval Office and abusing women that's completely different.
LEWIS: Right. So, I think that's actually a valid point. I think really there's two -- I'm not a prude -- I'm far from a prude. But I think there's two things that matter when electing a president. One, is that a person of character who does what they say, keeps promises. The second is, do they exploit people and do they take advantage of a position of power. And here I think very clearly Donald Trump is taking advantage. This is a guy who is way older. He, as you mentioned, you know, a billionaire playboy. I mean, does he use power to basically take advantage of others?
PIERSON: I didn't call a billionaire playboy. I said he was a billionaire.
BURNETT: Maria -- that the context does matter. Look, there were a lot of other women quoted in this article and none of the others to my knowledge at this point have come out and demanded the same sort of correction that Miss Rowanne Brewer Lane has. But does the context matter Maria that she was flattered and not insulted by him.
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think so because what he said has not changed and she has not disputed that that is what he said. And when most women read what he said and what he did in terms of asking her to put on a bikini and then parading her out to essentially show her off is indicative of the kind of mindset which he looks at women and that is that he looks at them as nothing else than objects to be ogled or to be insulted if they are not pretty enough. And this is a man who is interviewing to be the highest office, for the highest office in the land, to be commander-in-chief, to be the leader of the free world.
And so voters get a chance to take a look at how he has acted in the past because that's really the only way that you should be able to look at somebody and judge them and right now he has a failing grade in terms of how he treats women and you can see it in the hugely high negatives that he has among women.
BURNETT: All right.
PIERSON: The negatives that Mr. Trump has for the unfavorables in women isn't because of that context. Perhaps it's a personality difference. They don't like the way he says certain things.
PIERSON: And even when there is an unfavorability for women we saw this play out in the Republican primary when he was upside down in those numbers. And they voted for him in droves. So, I'm glad that the "New York Times" sort of stepped in this time because this is the narrative that's going to be pushed. They overreached and it's going to backfire.
CARDONA: He won the Republican primary. That is absolutely correct. He faces a very different electorate in the general election where 53 percent of that electorate are women and when a lot --
PIERSON: That's right. And whom has her own problem with women --
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BURNETT: OK. Sorry. I think there's a little bit of an overlap. So, I'll just wrapped it. Luckily for all of us, we have six more months and I'm sure we will reprise this many, many times. Thanks to all three of you.
And OUTFRONT next, Hillary Clinton firing back at Donald Trump doing her best Donald Trump impression. It's her best. We'll show it to you after this. And what's it like to be a woman working for Donald Trump. Well, we have one of them tonight. A top lawyer for Trump organization. She will be my guest later on this hour.
[19:28:23] BURNETT: The Clinton campaign scrambling tonight. They are trying to clarify a statement from the candidate. She said that Bill Clinton will be in charge of, quote, "Revitalizing the economy if Hillary Clinton is president." Well today, her press secretary said no, no, no, no, hold on. We'll be getting ahead of ourselves to talk about any sort of formalized role for anyone in her administration.
Sunlen Serfaty is OUTFRONT.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a political calculation that carries great risk and reward.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I expect him to go to work.
SERFATY: After first distancing herself from her husband's White House --
CLINTON: I'm not running for my husband's third term.
SERFATY: Hillary Clinton is now embracing it and revealing in clearer terms what Bill Clinton's role would be in a potential Clinton administration 2.0.
CLINTON: My husband, who I'm going to put in charge of revitalizing the economy.
SERFATY: Trying to capitalize on her husband's economic record while he was in the White House making it clear he will have a prominent seat at the economic table.
CLINTON: Because you know he knows how to do it. And especially in places like coal country and inner cities and other parts of our country that have really been left out.
SERFATY: Bill Clinton is already relishing in his potential assignment.
BILL CLINTON (D), 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want to go the places that have been left out and left behind.
SERFATY: Deploying him could be a huge asset for the Clinton campaign. The former president is still widely popular. His favorability ratings are high, much higher than his wife's, bringing the ability to draw a big crowds and get out Democratic voters.
[19:30:06] But telegraphing his role could be double edge sword, with those benefits comes his baggage -- a deep seated vulnerability for the Clinton campaign that Trump has already exploited.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He lied. Do you remember the famous "I did not have sex with that woman", and then a couple of months later, "I'm guilty".
SERFATY: As Bill Clinton's past indiscretions --
REPORTER: Are you worried your past may hurt your wife's campaign?
SERFATY: -- continue to be a flash point on the campaign trail --
REPORTER: Are you at all worried about leaving these questions unanswered about these past allegations?
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: They've all been answered years and years ago.
SERFATY: Trump using it against her.
TRUMP: I mean, have you ever read what Hillary Clinton did to the women that Bill Clinton had affairs with? And they are going after me with women?
SERFATY: Not to mention Bill Clinton's own record that could come back to haunt her as well from I had 1994 crime bill --
BILL CLINTON: That's not true.
SERFATY: -- that has cause confrontation on the campaign trail.
BILL CLINTON: You are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter.
SERFATY: -- to the trade deal NAFTA that he signed into law.
TRUMP: She doesn't understand trade. Her husband signed perhaps in the history of the world the single worst trade deal ever done.
SERFATY: And today, Hillary Clinton shot down point blank the question if her husband would be considered for her cabinet. The Clinton campaign is also pushing back a bit on all of this, saying that there's no formal role yet for her husband that, Erin, in the same breath they also say it would be foolish not to use Bill Clinton in some capacity.
BURNETT: All right. Sunlen, thank you.
And joining me now, Richard Socarides, he was a senior adviser to President Bill Clinton. He's a Hillary Clinton supporter. And Barry Bennett, senior political advisor to the Donald Trump campaign. So, Richard, let me start with you. Hillary Clinton puts this out
here. Bill Clinton is going to be in charge of revitalizing the economy. And then her press secretary is like, oh, no, no, we don't have any formal roles for anybody.
Why? Why walk that back?
RICHARD SOCARIDES, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, I don't think she was really walking it back. I think that it's clear, that first, she has to be elected president before she chooses a cabinet. I don't think anybody think she's going to put President Bill Clinton in her cabinet.
But in terms of the economy, Bill Clinton was the most successful president of any president in our lifetime. I mean 22 million jobs were created. We had 4 percent economic growth. I read somewhere today that Bill Clinton created more jobs than the four other Republican presidents combined during the last four Republican presidents combined. Why not --
BURNETT: Now, he did the benefit of the Internet.
SOCARIDES: He had a lot else going for him, but it happened on his watch. So, why not put him front and center on the issue of the economy, on the issue of creating jobs.
There's been no better, more successful job creator in history. It would be good for her. It would be good for the country. It would be good for work people which she's going to be fighting for every day.
But, ultimately, you're right. Elections are about the future. She has got to shape her own policies. They will not be President Clinton's policies. He will be an adviser to her.
BURNETT: An adviser. Right. I would imagine it would be some sort of CNN right to describe as a czar, which is an overused word, which perhaps might capture it.
But this is pretty much the most important job. I mean, it is the most important job, one could argue foreign policy at times, but for most Americans, the economy is the single most important job. She's now saying she's going to put Bill Clinton in charge of that.
BARRY BENNETT, SENIOR POLITICAL ADVISER, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN: She didn't walk it back, she sprinted it back.
But, you know, I think there's a larger problem here and that's -- we're going back -- not back to the future. We're going back to the past. You know, it just demonstrates she's been around a long time and people are looking for someone that do really change Washington, bulldoze Washington, and they want to walk us back to the 1990s, to replay. I don't think that's very popular with the voters.
SOCARIDES: You know, I would agree. I don't think the policies of Bill Clinton years will work. It's a dynamic economy. It's a new day. It's a new age. There's different challenges. BURNETT: Right. So, it sounds like you're saying he wouldn't be the
guy, shouldn't be the guy who --
SOCARIDES: I don't think she's suggesting that the policies of the '90s are the policies that are going to put people back to work.
SOCARIDES: But Bill Clinton- you know, the presidency is a very complicated job. It's the most complicated job in the world. So, to have someone advising you who has been in that role, you know, up close and personal, is invaluable. So, I think his advice will be invaluable. But, obviously, this election is going to be about the future.
Who has a better vision of the future? Who is going wake up every morning and think about the American people? So her policies are going to be her policies.
BURNETT: OK. Bill Clinton, though, being a part of this does raise some questions because Donald Trump has said his strategy, let me quote him, "get people to look hard at her character, get women to ask themselves is Hillary is truly sincere and authentic because she's been really ugly in trying to destroy Bill's mistresses."
[19:35:02] BENNETT: Yes.
BURNETT: Once Hillary Clinton makes Bill Clinton a more formal part of her campaign, he's already out there campaigning on her behalf. But a formal part, does she leave herself open to this kind of attack? Does this put all of that baggage on to the table fairly?
BENNETT: She's going to name him her economics czar, then, yes, he's on the table, right? I mean, it's almost impossible, though, for her not to have him be an issue in this campaign. I mean, it's very different. You know, in the 1990s, he ran as a moderate centrist, right? He was part of the -- I forget what name of the group was, the moderate Democrats. And now, she's running trying to get to the left of Bernie Sanders running as a progressive. I mean, it's a big shocking change.
SOCARIDES: Well, I think she said she's a progressive Democrat who likes to get things done. And, of course, Bill Clinton, you know, Bill Clinton -- the Bill Clinton experience will of course be an issue but I don't think the American people the end of the day will be interested in any of this tabloid stuff that's been around for 20 years. I think this election is going to be about the future and who has the best policies and who has the best plan.
BURNETT: So, before we go, I just want to play something today, because she's now imitating Donald Trump, which is an interesting new strategy. This is what she said a debate would be like between them. Here's Donald Trump. Well, sorry, here's Hillary Clinton.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's suppose -- here's the question, so what is your plan to create jobs? His answer is, "I'm going to create 'em, they're going to be great, I know how to do it. But I'm not telling you what it is I'm going to do."
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BURNETT: When is he going to tell us?
BENNETT: Well, he's already laid out his tax plan. He's going to have a series of speeches coming in the next few months. But I mean, it's clear that Washington doesn't get it.
I mean the regulations that have been layered on us in the last, even during the Clinton administration and Bush administration have really stifled the economy. Our manufacturing sector is gone for all intents and purposes.
And, you know, we need America first. We need a president who cares not about the future as much as the problems we're facing. I don't mean lofty letters about the future. I want to know why schools aren't teaching. I want to know why people are afraid around the market night --
SOCARIDES: I do agree when the plan is announced, it's going huge.
SOCARIDES: How do you say?
BENNETT: Yuge (ph).
SOCARIDES: Yuge. OK, it's going to be yuge.
BURNETT: At least you're in agreement on the pronunciation. Thank you both.
And OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump at his alma mater standing just a few feet away from Joe Biden at UPenn's graduation. Ahead, our inside look at Trump's college days.
And what is it like as a woman working for Donald Trump? Well, we have one and you're going to hear her honest answer.
We'll be back.
BURNETT: We know all about what drives our politicians apart but one thing that may bring them together, family. That's why Joe Biden and Donald Trump were both in Philadelphia Sunday at the University of Pennsylvania celebrating the graduation of Trump's daughter Tiffany and Biden's granddaughter Naomi. For Donald Trump, this was a return visit to the Penn campus home of his alma mater, the Wharton School.
Jessica Schneider is OUTFRONT.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So I went to the Wharton School of Finance which is considered the best business school.
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): So, it is the education Donald Trump boasts about repeatedly on the campaign trail.
TRUMP: I was really a good student at the greatest school, the Wharton School of Finance.
I went to the Wharton School of Finance. I was a great student. I built a fortune.
That's swagger was something his Wharton classmates noticed decades ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don had the ambition and drive, and he made that very obvious from the beginning, comparing himself to one of the most successful and wealthiest realtors in Manhattan. He said, "I'm going to be the next Bill Zeckendorf of Manhattan real estate, but I'm going to be better. I remember seeing the expression on my classmates faces. We're thinking, who the hell does he think he is?
SCHNEIDER: It was the fall of 1966 on the Philadelphia campus, and 20-year-old Donald Trump had just transferred to the Wharton School of Finance from Fordham University in the Bronx.
Louis Calamares (ph), a Republican, who doesn't want to say who he's voting for, took real estate classes with Trump, and Calamares noticed early Trump's knock for marketing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald had good concept for corporate and brand image from the beginning.
SCHNEIDER: The last time Calamares saw Trump was on graduation day 1968.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was a very friendly guy. He didn't brag about power or money.
SCHNEIDER: Calamares says Trump tales are at the forefront of his memory. But on today's campus, there isn't much talk about the brash millionaire.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, never.
SCHNEIDER: You never have his name come up?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rarely. Like probably one since I've been here for a year.
SCHNEIDER: Trump's name isn't branded on Wharton's campus like it is on the streets of Manhattan. Instead, the buildings are named after other rich donors like businessman and philanthropist John Huntsman Sr. Trump's name is only seen inside the school's library where a simple plaque thanks the class of 1968 for their donations to the seminar room.
Wharton wouldn't provide any information on Trump's financial donations.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Donald. You know, they refer as more of an entity.
TRUMP: It's disgrace.
SCHNEIDER: The Donald's bravado today was presents on the Wharton campus 48 years ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we're seeing is exactly what was there early on.
SCHNEIDER: Three of Donald Trump's children followed in his foot steps. Donald Jr. and Ivanka graduated from Wharton, while daughter Tiffany took classes there while attending the University of Pennsylvania. And while he often praises the school and his education, Donald Trump took a bit of a different take in his 1986 book "The Art of the Deal." Erin, he wrote that in his opinion, the Wharton degree doesn't prove much, and he also said it didn't take him long to realize that there was nothing particularly exceptional or awesome about his fellow students.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much.
And OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump slamming a report that he mistreats and objectifies women. So, what is it like to work for him? Well, top lawyer in the Trump Organization will be my guest right after this.
[19:45:00] And new video of one of the deadliest shoot outs. Tonight, exclusive interviews with the men right in the middle of a wild biker shoot-out.
BURNETT: Tonight, Donald Trump is slamming a "New York Times" investigation into his private interactions with women, tweeting tonight, "No wonder 'The New York Times' is failing, who can believe what they write after the false, malicious and libelous story they did on me."
This comes after one of the main woman quoted in the article told CNN that her words were taken out of context. The bottom line of the story is, he met her at a party, invited her inside, come up to a room, had a bunch of bathing suits, said, "Pick one, put it on", she did. "New York Times" described that as a debasing situation. She said she actually felt flattered. OUTFRONT now, a woman who was quoted in this article, Jill Martin, the
vice president and assistant general counsel for the Trump Organization.
So, Jill, in this article, you were one of the few who had something positive to say about Donald Trump. When you read the whole article which included many more stories like the one that I just summarize there, what was your reaction?
JILL MARTIN, ASSISTANT GENERAL COUNSEL, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: I was very disappointed. You know, I knew several other women that worked for the organization that also interviewed for "The New York Times" and talked of their positive experiences, so when "The New York Times" said this is a sampling of 50 women we interviewed, it was misrepresentative, because they chose not to print the positive testimony that was given to them by the many successful women that work for the Trump Organization and worked with Mr. Trump for many years.
[19:50:04] BURNETT: So, you worked for him I believe almost six years, right?
MARTIN: That's correct.
BURNETT: So, how would you describe him? I mean, what -- could you give an example of an interaction you've had with him as a woman that you think is representative?
MARTIN: You know, I think he has been such a positive influence on not only myself but other women. You know, I came to the organization as a fairly young attorney. And he's given me opportunities that I definitely wouldn't have had elsewhere.
And he's given me opportunity to succeed in my career but also be balance that with my family. That's a very challenging thing as a female attorney. And he's let me do that without skipping a beat. I've seen him do it with many other women.
And I think I have a unique perspective because I am the lead employment attorney for the entire organization. So, I see on a day- to-day basis how positively he impacts the women that work for him and I don't see these negative comments coming from his work force.
BURNETT: And you would see that obviously as you point out, given your specific role as a lead employment attorney. But, Jill, of course, as you know, Donald Trump does have a history of making comments about women and their looks. And here's just a few of the things he has said publicly in the past.
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TRUMP: Rosie O'Donnell is disgusting, I mean, both inside and out. You take a look at her, she's a slob. We are all a little chubby, but Rosie is just worse than most of us.
A view a person who's flat-chested, is very hard to be a 10. OK? I mean, they have to be extraordinary. You have to have the face of Vivian Lee to be a 10, if you're flat-chested.
You drop to your knees. It must be a pretty picture you drop into your kness.
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BURNETT: So, Jill, when you hear those things, are those totally at odds with the man that you know?
MARTIN: I think those comments are taken -- they're in a different context. They're not in the everyday business world that we see Mr. Trump working in.
I think that when you work with him day-in and day-out, you see him to be a great leader that really inspires everyone around him, treats everyone equally. Look, if he's going to comment about Rosie O'Donnell, that's not because she's a woman, that's because he has comments to make about Rosie O'Donnell. He would make those same comments about man if he felt that way about a man. He really treats everybody the same regardless of their gender.
BURNETT: All right. Jill Martin, I guess a quick final word. He used the word in his tweet tonight, "falls, malicious, libelous", you as a lawyer for the Trump organization, are you planning to file suit against "New York Times"?
MARTIN: I think that is a distinct possibility. I haven't talked to him about it personally. But, you know, he's attacked like that and things are said false, he definitely fires back.
BURNETT: All right. Jill Martin, thank you very much. I appreciate your time tonight.
MARTIN: Thank you.
BURNETT: And OUTFRONT next, exclusive video of the most violent day in Texas biker history. Hundreds arrested, nine left dead. Our special report, next.
[19:56:39] BURNETT: It's been one year since a shootout between rival bikers at a Texas restaurant left nine dead, 177 arrested, 480 weapons confiscated.
Our Ed Lavandera has never before seen evidence, an exclusive interviews that shed light on what happened that day.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a bloody showdown between two rival motorcycle clubs. Even those who were there are still trying to unravel how and why nine bikers were killed in a vicious gun fight at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.
Two rivals who've never spoken publicly about what happened are talking to CNN.
This is Dean, a member of the group that asked us to hide his identity. He says after months of bad blood with the Bandidos, the Cossacks came to make peace.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My intention of being there was to have a sit- down, let the bosses talk, say, "Hey, look, we're here to shake hands, we're going to respect one another.
LAVANDERA: The Bandidos call it an ambush.
Jake Carousel (ph) was the first to pull into the Twin Peaks parking lot where dozens of Cossacks were already waiting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they started cursing at us, you know, telling us you ain't parking here.
LAVANDERA: Video of the scene obtained by CNN captures the beginning of the melee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From then on, it escalated.
LAVANDERA: You see Carousel there with the yellow helmet, when fists start flying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was on the ground just covered in those guys, you know, I was --
LAVANDERA (on camera): Covering Cossacks --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Covering Cossacks and I didn't know if I was ever going to walk away from there. And I was fighting with everything I had in me to get those guys off me, to get out of that situation.
LAVANDERA (voice-over): In the chaos, Dean says he saw a Bandidos biker fire the first shots, and then he felt a piercing pain cut through his body.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got shot. I still remember the blood coming out of me, the pain, the people around me being shot.
LAVANDERA: Donald Charles Davis writes about outlaw bikers on a website called "The Aging Rebel".
DONALD CHARLES DAVIS, OUTLAW BIKER INSIDER: This is the most bizarre, biggest biker story ever. Some of these guys were acting out sons of anarchy fantasies in their head.
BURNETT: I mean, Ed, you have been investigating this story for more than a year, you have exclusive footage after exclusive footage. What has shocked you?
LAVANDERA: That last piece of video you see there, like the wide dash cam video, I can't tell you how many times I have seen that video and every time you look, there's another snapshot, another moment in that scene, you were like, oh look at that, oh, look at this, oh, look at this, it is unbelievable how much detail you know, investigators are having to go through all that as well as they try to piece together, a story line of all of the bikers there just outside of the Twin Peaks patio.
BURNETT: I mean, it is stunning. And Ed has covered this from the very beginning and been the only one able to get this video, the shocking story.
His special report, "Biker Brawl: Inside the Texas Shoot-out" airs tonight at 9:00. Must watch tonight.
And thank you so much for joining us.
"AC360" starts right now.