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Clinton Picks Sen. Kaine for VP; Police: 10 Killed in Munich Shooting Spree; Munich Police: Suspected Lone Gunman Dead; Police: Munich Shooter 18 Year Old German-Iranian; Police: 10 Killed in Munich Shooting Spree, Including Gunman; Gunman Was Not Known to Police, His Motives Unclear; Donald Trump's New Tirade Against Ted Cruz. Aired 8- 9p ET
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[20:00:08] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening. Thanks for joining us.
It is a busy evening. We are just getting new information on the mass shooting in Munich, and we'll bring it to you shortly.
We begin, though, with Hillary Clinton about to announce her running mate, we are told. Jeff Zeleny has all of the latest. She joins us now from Miami.
Jeff, what do we know?
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, I am told by top Democrats close to this process that Hillary Clinton is going to announce this very soon. Right now, she's been on the telephone with some candidates who were in that final list, but were not actually selected. She's explaining her decisions why she did what she did. John Podesta, the campaign chairman, also has been on the telephone tonight, I'm told.
And Anderson still, all signs across the party are pointed to Tim Kaine, the senator from Virginia, former governor of Virginia as the likely finalist here. Interestingly, he's in Newport, Rhode Island, he just left a fund-raiser a few moments ago for a fellow senator there. So, he is going to be on his way to Miami, if he is the pick as most Democrats believe he will be and he will be introduced side by side with Hillary Clinton tomorrow at a campaign rally.
The interesting thing about Tim Kaine, one of the reasons that he is so attractive to the Clinton campaign I am told by people close to the process is he speaks Spanish, fluent Spanish and that is such a significant share of the electorate here particularly in her quest to defeat Donald Trump. So, you can count on Tim Kaine, if he's picked tomorrow to be speaking Spanish as he has at most every campaign rally so far.
COOPER: You know, last I interviewed Secretary Clinton, what she always says is that her decision will be based on who can take over the job as president. That's pretty much what everybody often says. Obviously, there is a lot of politics involved in this, assuming if it is, in fact, that it's going to be Tim Kaine. Besides speaking Spanish which helps her particularly in a state like Florida which is critical, what else does he bring to the table? Does, you know, is there still that thinking that he could help her win the state of Virginia or is that sort of thinking kind of no longer realistic?
ZELENY: No, it is definitely one of the things that makes him attractive, of course -- a former popular governor and a current popular senator. But Tim Kaine, if it is him, is not as much as an electoral choice, but a governing choice and Hillary Clinton told you this summer and she's said it other times that she does want a seasoned, steady hand in the government, someone who knows what is -- has executive experience.
And interestingly, Tim Kaine sort of has it all. He has risen up the ranks from the city council in Richmond. He was the mayor, lieutenant governor, the governor and now the U.S. senator. What's really interesting if you sort of stop and think about this, this is an outsider year, and anti-establishment year and Tim Kaine's resume is exactly what an insider, you know, would want to have.
So, it tells us something about Hillary Clinton, what type of a governing partner she makes and, Anderson, we've only talked about how this is her presidential campaign, this is the first time she has been able to pick a partner. She has been a partner, of course, a very active partner in the White House in the '90s with her husband, but she is making her decision to pick a partner.
And I am told by people close to her, she took this very seriously and someone she can work with, who she wants in the West Wing. It's one of the reasons Tom Vilsack, the agriculture secretary, former governor of Iowa, also on the final list of contenders. She trusts him implicit.
So, she turned to former governors, members of the cabinet. She's not looking for flash or sizzle. She's looking for someone with heavy government experience. Of course, she believes that that is what amplifies her brand as she takes on Donald Trump.
COOPER: We should just point out, we are awaiting the actual announcement from Secretary Clinton about who her vice presidential pick is. Jeff Zeleny reporting that Secretary Clinton is talking to people on the phone as is John Podesta, talking to some of the candidates who did not make it explaining their thinking on this.
Jeff, stay with us.
I want to bring in CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger and chief political correspondent Dana Bash.
Gloria, just in terms of this clearly, there were some probably on the -- on the left in the Democratic Party who wanted an Elizabeth Warren, wanted somebody who might reach out more to Bernie Sanders supporters and certainly echoes a lot more of the issues that Bernie Sanders has brought to the fore. GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, I don't think
Senator Kaine would be the choice of liberals, certainly not the in a way it's more of a choice that would be -- would make Bill Clinton happy as sort of a moderate, third way Democrat than Bernie Sanders, more to the left of the party.
[20:05:02] I think that what this tells us about Hillary Clinton is that she didn't do this to appease any group. She's doing this to appease herself. She's doing it to appease herself. She wants someone she can govern with, somebody she can depend on. Somebody who she believes has the resume that would prepare this person to be the next president of the United States.
You know, she's been in the White House when her husband got along with his Vice President Al Gore and when he didn't get along with his Vice President Al Gore, and she knows how difficult it could be. So, I think she's making this choice based on her own experiences having seen it up close when she was there.
COOPER: Dana Bash, I mean, clearly, the speaking Spanish is critical and not just in the state of Florida, but in terms of just reaching out to as broad a coalition as possible.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: No question. It is an invaluable tool to have politically, for him to be able to go right into the Hispanic communities across the country, particularly in battleground states like Florida, and to be able to say why Hillary Clinton is the person who should be the president and do it in their native tongue. I think it's interesting how he even knows Spanish and the fact that he's a Jesuit who went to a Jesuit high school not in Virginia and Missouri, and he went on a mission to Honduras and went to law school and did the same thing to learn the culture, to help. He was aiding students there and there he did learn the Spanish language.
Anderson, I will tell you that that is a plus, but I also think -- if it is Tim Kaine, and we still have to say if because we could be surprised tonight, then I think it's a window into where the Clinton campaign feels that they are comfortable and maybe it is on the liberal side of the Democratic spectrum and where they need to reach out for the general election which is independents and Republicans who just don't want Donald Trump to be president and would be comfortable with a solid choice that knows how to govern not to mention Tim Kaine and Hillary Clinton.
COOPER: All right. We are awaiting the official announcement that we expect any minute now. Gloria, Dana, Jeff, stay with us.
I also want to bring in the rest of the panel, CNN political commentators, Clinton supporter, former New York City council speaker, Christine Quinn, Trump supporter, Tara Setmayer, Scottie Nell Hughes, and CNN political analyst and "New York Times" national political, Alex Burns.
There certainly will be some disappointment among liberals in the Democratic Party who perhaps wanted somebody who they feel would be more exciting or more in line with their positions.
ALEX BURNS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: They sure would, Anderson. If Clinton does end up going with someone like Tim Kaine who would be a cautious, conventional kind of choice for the general election, then we go into the convention with the burden really on folks like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to fire the faithful on the left and get them excited about this election.
But I also wouldn't underestimate Tim Kaine's ability to sell himself and to tell a story about his record in Virginia. Maybe it does make people who are skeptical about him now a little excited. Part of the problem is he's not been perceived as a fighter, and that's what the Democratic Party has been looking for so far.
COOPER: Christine Quinn, as a Clinton supporter, is Kaine a good choice?
CHRISTINE QUINN, CLINTON SUPPORTER: I think he's a terrific choice. Secretary Clinton wanted someone she knew was qualified to take over as president if God forbid that moment happened and she wants someone that she gets along with and has a good groove with and they clearly do.
Now, I think Alex is right, if that's the choice, because there will be some concerns, you know, Bernie and Senator Warren to rev the crowd up. But I think that's not going to be that hard, because if you actually look at his record, he's got 100 percent voting record with Planned Parenthood and all of the progressive and liberal groups that do this in Washington --
COOPER: We can now say, we can now say the -- her nomination, her pick for vice president is Tim Kaine. It is now official.
QUINN: There you go. As I spoke and so it was.
QUINN: Again, just to finish, she's got 100 percent voter record from Planned Parenthood; 90 percent, 95 percent from all of the progressive and liberal groups that do ratings out there. So, this maybe a guy that is on the quieter side, but a solid supporter of progressive, Democratic values.
COOPER: If Jeff Zeleny is still standing by, is Jeff still with us?
Jeff, do we know -- how was the announcement made or has it officially been made? What do you know?
ZELENY: It is going to be made very shortly, I am told. I am told by a top campaign official that it is Tim Kaine. I just received word of that a second ago.
Anderson, an important point to make here is this completes the circle with the Clinton/Obama relationship.
[20:10:04] There was no one closer to President Obama than Tim Kaine. In fact, he was on his short list in 2008 some eight years ago. Of course, he ultimately decided Joe Biden and he became the head of the Democratic National Committee.
But tonight, this completes, I think, this relationship between the Clinton organizations and the Obama organizations a he was informed by Secretary Clinton that he was the choice. She has called everyone else on the list including Tom Vilsack, someone she's very, very close to, but she has decided Tim Kaine for all of the reasons we've been talking about tonight and it's not just that he speaks Spanish, and he is a good governing partner. And at 58 years old, he is ten years younger than her. The campaign believes that that is a good look for the party going forward here.
So, once every Democrat was informed, she informed her own staff. Many of the people didn't know themselves that Tim Kaine was, in fact, her choice, and he'll be here in Miami tomorrow at Florida International University around noon time for a rally for some 60 percent of the students are Hispanic.
Anderson, that is the takeaway that the Clinton campaign wants to hammer home in this announcement tomorrow here. They're trying to rebuild the Obama coalition that took him to the White House in 2008 and 2012. That's what she needs help on that front and he helps with white voters, at least they think he will. So this decision tonight not a surprise, but an interesting pick, no doubt.
COOPER: And, Gloria Borger, I think David Axelrod last night was saying for a vice presidential pick, probably the two most important nights are the speech that the vice presidential pick makes at the convention and also the vice presidential debate we now know will be Tim Kaine against Governor Pence. How do they stack up?
BORGER: You know, they're both people who have been involved in government. You know, each -- each, you know, have run their states and each of them have served for quite some time. You know, Pence was in the House of Representatives, and Kaine in the Senate. Neither of them are particularly firebrands. Each of them was, in a way, a safe choice for their nominees and so the debate will probably not be full of fireworks.
But, you know, these are the people when Donald Trump picked Mike Pence, he went to someone whom he thought could help him govern. When Hillary Clinton went to Tim Kaine, she did exactly the same thing. And, you know, Trump did it because he's an outsider and Hillary Clinton did it because she feels she knows what she needs because she's been in government.
When you look at this ticket now, it's people with decades of experience in government. There is no outsider on the Democratic ticket at all because her comfort level is somewhere else.
COOPER: And, Dana, when -- I lost my train of thought.
Let's go to our Clinton folks. Scottie -- our Trump folks. What do you make of this? You were obviously a Trump supporter. SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think it's
interesting to see the parallels between the two tickets. If you want the two candidates to make the top of the ticket look like the centrist, they've done it. Mike Pence definitely looks serious with his conservative ratings, and now we're seeing that Senator Kaine has a zero, and you're right about the race. He has a zero percent, the only lifetime member to have a Conservative Union Rating.
And so, he's very much to the left. He's very much progressive and makes Hillary Clinton look like a moderate Democrat. So, I think the parallels between the two are just incredible and the governors I think you're going to see some comparisons between how they govern and who has done a better job with Virginia and Indiana, which I would be careful with that because there is D.C. located in Virginia and that's where the revenue comes from.
But if anything right now, Donald Trump, as far as talking about the Spanish-speaking, and I think he went to Rosetta stone and bought Mike Pence, you know, Rosetta Spanish to Mike Pence tonight. This is going to be such a big factor --
COOPER: But, Tara, I think the choice for Pence for Trump sort of allowed Hillary Clinton to make perhaps a safer choice?
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Absolutely because I was just thinking of going back to the vice presidential debates over the last few election cycles where people actually tuned in and wanted to see them. People wanted to see Sarah Palin against Joe Biden. They wanted to see Paul Ryan against Joe Biden.
So, this time around, it was do no harm on both sides. It was very safe picks for them. So, Hillary Clinton, I knew she was never picking Elizabeth Warren. Sorry progressives who were thinking about that. That was never happening. She was never picking Bernie Sanders. She was never picking anyone that she couldn't control, anyone that would potentially overshadow her. She wasn't going to do that.
So, Hillary Clinton, you know, she is a political animal, so is Tim Kaine. They're comfortable with each other and really, he's not bringing anything to the ticket for her except for stability.
So, what Clinton is doing, she's trying to draw a contrast between Donald Trump who goes off the rails, is rogue and can't trust him with the nuclear button and all those things and look at me, I'm the steady hand.
[20:15:08] Look at our team. We're the ones you can trust.
And I think that picking someone like Tim Kaine who's frankly rather vanilla compared to some of the others brings that to her. I think that's a risk because I don't know that people are going to look, the independents are going to look to that ticket and say this is who we want because it's an outsider year. People are very upset with the establishment. COOPER: I assume given the reliance in data of the Clinton campaign
and the data that they have access to, that they have looked at this in every different way about how Tim Kaine benefits them and must have made a calculation that he does benefit them.
BURNS: Even not having access to the data that the Clinton campaign has and if you look at Tim Kaine's record in his past elections, this is a guy who appeals to suburban moderates and educated white women, to the soccer moms and security moms and President Obama was known for going after in his campaign and who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and appealed many of them to vote for Mitt Romney in 2012. That's a group that would be very much in play for the Republican candidate and Donald Trump is going to have to do a lot of work with. His choice of Mike Pence in some ways is a parallel between the two tickets and they'll assure a certain sense of swing voters that, no, it's okay if you vote for us.
And for Tim Kaine, it's reassurance on character, and reassurance that she's not a liberal firebrand or anything like that and for Donald Trump, it's obviously --
QUINN: But -- sorry, the Pence choice, if you think about it in a general election context, it may have solidified the far right wing super conservative part of the Republican Party, but it really pushed out any chance, in my opinion, of bringing in independent women and any chance of making inroads, which I think they never had a chance, but regardless, in the Latino community. I mean, they picked somebody who is not going to help grow their voters, in my opinion, at all, and in fact, is really quite alienating particularly on the issues of choice and LGBT and immigration.
HUGHES: Well, after last night, I think that conversation's changed amongst the Republican Party as it was well-demonstrated.
But I think to your point on this, would we be talking about Tim Kaine right now if he was senator of Idaho? Is this a warning sign that Hillary Clinton as the polls were in Virginia, Real Clear Politics only has a four-point difference between her and Donald Trump, this is a must-win state and this will make it easier for her and maybe she's not feeling that McAuliffe will pull the state in for her. So, maybe is this a chance, you know what, this definitely made it hard or the electoral map for Donald Trump with this choice.
COOPER: Dana, what were you going to say?
BASH: Well, I just want to say, Scottie is talking about Virginia, and I think that brings up a good point that, you know, I covered -- I cover Senator Kaine in the Senate, and you know, maybe he's not the most exciting person in the world, but he has a personality. He really does, and they like to joke and I guarantee we'll hear about this in the days to come about the fact that he plays harmonica with a bluegrass band.
But much more importantly, I think when you look at Tim Kaine, he brings such a full package, policy, governing and politics. Policy, he's on the Foreign Services Committee, he's on the Arm Services Committee and foreign relations and economic policy.
He is on the -- he is somebody who has according to his website because I was reading his bio just to make sure there were aren't things I didn't know, only person -- one of 20 people I should say in American history who has been a mayor, a governor and a senator. So, it's those kinds of things that that you are going to hear about his biography and also chair of the Democratic National Committee.
So, he gets politics, he gets fund-raising which is a big part of a running mate, and so that combination combined with the basic that Hillary Clinton is comfortable with him, and he clearly fits what she has said to you, Anderson, that she's afflicted with the responsibility gene. She needs somebody who she knows can govern if needed. You know, that's why I think for a long time now, people have been looking at Tim Kaine as the best possible choice if she feels --
COOPER: Jeff, I understand you have details in how the calls went down?
ZELENY: I do. At 7:32 tonight, Anderson, a short time ago, Hillary Clinton placed that call to Tim Kaine.
He again was in Newport, Rhode Island. He was going about his normal schedule today. He was in Boston this morning for a Senate fund- raiser. He was in Newport Rhode Island, this evening at a fundraiser for Senator Jack Reed. He's a popular draw on the fund-raising circuit, as Dana was just saying.
And at 7:32 p.m. tonight, we are told by a Clinton campaign official, she placed the call to him. They've had many conversations along the way here.
[20:20:02] They were together last Thursday in Annandale, Virginia, for a rally, to kind of get a sense of their chemistry. And, boy, Anderson, her face lit up when he touted her virtues particularly in Spanish. She didn't necessarily know what he was saying, but she was struck by that.
And then, I'm told, Hillary Clinton called President Obama tonight at 7:48 p.m. and informed him who she had picked to be her vice president.
Of course, he had been quietly supportive of Tim Kaine. Tim Kaine was the first governor back in 2007 to endorse Barack Obama. They're about the same age, a little bit younger, the president is, but she called the president tonight at 7:48, I am told, to make that announcement to him.
So other phone calls and things are going on now, new congratulations are coming out to Tim Kaine. Important to point out, the Democratic convention next week will have discord, as well. He does not fit the liberal strain inside this Democratic Party, but you wonder why Elizabeth Warren and others haven't been picked. The reality is, Tim Kaine, it's a safe Senate seat. His seat will be appointed if he wins by a Democratic governors and all of the others are Republican governor. COOPER: Yes, perhaps some strain also because of these leaked e-mails
from inside the DNC showing that they were sending pretty negative e- mails about Bernie Sanders, and trying to raise questions about his religion, hoping that he would be asked about that.
A lot more to talk about about this choice. We're going to take a short break. Our coverage continues in just a moment.
BURNETT: The breaking news tonight, former Virginia Governor Tim Kaine will be Hillary Clinton's running mate. The two will make a joint appearance tomorrow at Florida International University.
Secretary Clinton tweeting, "I'm thrilled to announcement my running mate Tim Kaine, a man who has devoted his life to fighting for others."
[20:25:01] Senator Booker said it this way, "Kaine is able."
I want to go now to CNN's Brianna Keilar who has new information.
What are you learning, Brianna?
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Anderson. I've been talking to sources and one told me that Tim Kaine was the only candidate amongst the bunch that Hillary Clinton considered who actually got two meetings with her. One was last Thursday when Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine campaigned in Annandale, Virginia, she said to him, why don't you come by the house later, the house being Whitehaven, her home that she shares with President Clinton in Washington, D.C.
And so, Tim Kaine I'm told by this source came by late at night from 9:00 p.m. until 10:30 p.m. when they spoke and it seemed like this revolving door almost of other vice presidential candidates who were going in and out of the house, meeting with Hillary Clinton and her close aides.
Well, then, I am told Tim Kaine, we knew he wasn't there that day, but he was invited back with his wife, the following day on Saturday for lunch. He was joined not only by Hillary Clinton, but former President Bill Clinton as well as Chelsea Clinton and her husband Mark Mezvinsky. Of course, Chelsea Clinton so important even as an adviser to her mother.
And then after Hillary Clinton had met with everyone, I'm told that she was given some advice from her campaign chairman John Podesta, that he said to her, remember, this is someone when you're going to be working with every day and you need to be excited when they come into the room, that you need to be happy to hear their advice.
Tonight, it was Hillary Clinton calling Tim Kaine first to tell him that he had earned this spot and then she called the folks who didn't make it. And just something really interesting that I've learned from this source -- this process began back in April and the Clinton campaign was actually vetting a list of about 30 candidates, 30 different candidates. So, it was a pretty long list, and there was a vetting an initial vetting information that was put together.
And John Podesta, the chairman of her campaign, brought all of this in a large book, basically a vetting book of all of these possibilities to her house in Chappaqua, New York. And I am told by this source that he concealed it in a plastic Duane Reade shopping bag as he took it into the house for Hillary Clinton.
COOPER: Interesting details there, Brianna. Thanks very much.
More now on Senator Kaine, who he is, and things you might not know. Jeff Zeleny has that.
SEN. TIM KAINE (D), VIRGINIA: Are we ready for Hillary?
ZELENY (voice-over): Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, new partners on the Democratic ticket.
KAINE: Do you want a "you're fired" president or a "you're hired" president?
ZELENY: It may be an anti-establishment year, but Clinton's running mate is an insider. The U.S. senator from Virginia and a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
KAINE: And if I have anything to do with it, we'll win again.
ZELENY: By selecting Kaine, Clinton is betting that experience in government, not sizzle is the best way to defeat Donald Trump.
KAINE: Elections are just the beginning. The real work starts tomorrow.
ZELENY: He's neither flashy nor show boat. A seemingly safe pick and steady hand, just what Clinton told Anderson Cooper she's looking for in a vice president.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I want to be sure that whoever I pick could be president immediately if something were to happen, that's the most important qualification.
ZELENY: So who is Timothy Michael Kaine?
A decade ago as governor of Virginia, he introduced himself in the Democratic response to President Bush's State of the Union Address.
KAINE: I worked as a missionary as a young man and I learned to measure my life by the difference I could make in someone else's life.
ZELENY: It was that stint as a Jesuit missionary in Honduras that shaped and now distinguishes him.
He learned fluent Spanish and still speaks it today, makes him a different attack dog for Trump.
KAINE: If you're a Latino, he's going to trash talk you.
ZELENY: Born in Minnesota and raised in Kansas.
KAINE: The best choice I made was move to Richmond to marry my wife Ann 26 years ago.
ZELENY: He built his political career in Virginia, rising from city councilman and mayor of Richmond to lieutenant governor and governor.
KAINE: Thank you all so very much.
ZELENY: He's 58, ten years younger than Clinton, known well inside the party, but not beyond.
KAINE: I'm not the one with the biggest profile. I'm not the one that's the best known.
ZELENY: He signed on with Clinton early this time around. Endorsing her in 2014 more than a year before she declared her candidacy.
For an original Barack Obama supporter, it was a chance to make up for lost time.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Give it up for Tim Kaine!
ZELENY: His politics are more moderate than the liberal strain driving today's Democratic Party. He's Catholic, outwardly moved by Pope Frances' visit to Capitol Hill last year.
His views on abortion are far more conservative than most Democrats as he explains in this interview.
KAINE: I'm personally opposed to the abortion and the death penalty and I've lived my life that way. The law is what it is and I'm going to carry out the law, I'm going to protect women's legal rights to make their own reproductive decisions.
[20:30:12] ZELENY: He's also spoken out forcefully against the administration for failing to seek Congressional approval to fight the Islamic State.
KAINE: The war against ISIL is just, it's necessary, it's noble, but it's illegal. There's been no Congressional authorization for this war.
ZELENY: It's an open question whether Kaine fits the mold of today's red-hot politics, yet, his selection could help soften Clinton's partisan edges.
KAINE: When it comes to our leadership in the world, trash talking ain't enough. We need a bridge builder, and we've got a bridge builder in Hillary Clinton
ZELENY: Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Washington.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Look at the new pick for vice president by Secretary Clinton. We'll continue the conversation throughout the evening.
Coming up next, late word out of Munich on the mass shooting where police are now saying was likely a solo killer.
COOPER: There's more breaking news tonight. Police in Munich, Germany have just updated the public on today's latest active mass murder. At least 10 people killed, including the gunman who police now say likely acted alone and apparently, took his own life but not before taking so many others.
[20:35:11] That cell phone video shows the moment a man outside of McDonald's at a crowded mall firing as people fled.
THAMINA STOLL, MUNICH SHOOTING WITNESS: So, he went down on the street and they were people like a whole family who had just run away from the shopping mall and they told us that they had heard gun shot and people were running around, screaming and people were scared. So we went upstairs again to be safe and there were a lot of people like about 50 people running towards our house to keep shelter and there was a helicopter circling above us for about 20 minutes and sirens and there's still people walking on the street are confused and nobody knows what's really going on.
COOPER: Well, CNN's Barbara Starr has the latest on all of it starting with the video you just saw. She joins us from the Pentagon. A lot of unanswered questions certainly, at this point. What do we know at this hour?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Unanswered indeed, Anderson, including this man's motivation, really. Intelligence and security services for much of the afternoon holding their breath, worried at least that this was another ISIS attack, that may not be the case now. All the indications are, this man, 18 years old possibly an Iranian-German was acting alone, committed suicide as he -- after carrying out his attack, killing nine other people at this mall site in Germany, said not to be known to German authorities.
Now, a very interesting piece of video emerged today taken from several cell phones in the area apparently, showing this man perhaps in a disturbed state talking, not espousing any kind Jihadist ideology. The indications are he was from an economically depressed area in Germany.
Have a listen to some of this video. We have bleeped out a good deal of it. It's just not suitable for a broadcast, but listen to what we can show you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Foreign Language)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Foreign Language)
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COOPER: So, he -- that's him yelling and interacting with some witness, I mean, some man is kind of yelling back at him and cursing at him. He says he was born in Germany or grew up in Germany, correct?
STARR: You're right, that's what he's indicating. We're not really sure at this point how much of this is true. And that is also, you know, we have to say again, translation is some of the key points on that video, and we can't show it all, but some of the key points that we found. So a full investigation underway.
But look, this man terrorized, you can call it terrorism, terrorized a city for much of the day, a major city in Europe. The U.S. embassy quickly issuing a statement telling all Americans in Munich to take cover, the U.S. military said was trying to account for every military member that might be traveling somewhere in Germany, he brought Munich to a halt.
Lots of rumors that there had been multiple gunmen, we often, see it in these cases, but tonight, at least, the Munich police believe this was a sole gunman. They will still be investigating, looking for any motivation what was behind his killing rampage. Anderson?
COOPER: We should also point out -- again, we don't know the motive of this person or really much about this person's background. Munich has -- is one of the cities that has received a lot of refugees coming in.
[20:40:02] Germany has taken in anywhere from 800,000 to a million or so mostly, from Syria that coming in through Turkey and Greece and then onward. There is a very high level of worry about ISIS targeting Germany.
STARR: Absolutely, you know, set this entire -- pardon me, episode aside, the U.S. Intelligence community throughout the summer has been cautioning that there is a very high ISIS terrorist to threat across Europe. They are very worried that ISIS is trying to send fighters into Europe to carry out attacks and trying to inspire people already in Europe also, to carry out attacks. Anderson?
COOPER: All right. Barbara Starr, thanks very much. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump both react to this online. Secretary Clinton tweeting, "monitoring the horrific situation in Munich, we stand with our friends in Germany as they work to bring those responsible to justice." Trump put out a statement reading, "Our prayers are with all those affected by the horrible attacks in Munich. This cannot continue. The rise of terrorism threatens the way of life for all civilized people, and we must do everything in our power to keep it from our shores."
In addition to what you saw on Barbara's report there, President Obama was asked about it by CBS News's John Dickerson specifically, whether the attack vindicates Donald Trump's view of the world.
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JOHN DICKERSON, "FACE THE NATION" HOST: Mr. President, when Donald Trump spoke to his convention ...
DICKERSON: ... he talked about the security threats. He talked -- he painted a very dark picture. Now, there's been a terrorist attack in Germany. Doesn't that suggest he's right about the darkness?
OBAMA: No, it doesn't. Terrorism is a real threat and nobody knows that better than me. One of the best ways of preventing it is making sure that we don't divide our own country, that we don't succumb to fear, that we don't sacrifice our values and that we send a very strong signal to the world and to every American citizen that we're in this together.
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COOPER: That's President Obama earlier today. A lot of questions for our panels, CNN terrorism analyst, Paul Cruickshank, CNN national security analyst and former assistant secretary of Homeland Security, Juliette Kayyem, CNN military analyst, retired army lieutenant general, Mark Hertling and Bob Baer, former CIA officers and now, Intelligence and security analyst.
Paul, in the video of the allege shooter, I mean, it appears he's saying that he's German, he's speaking -- it's called high German, he's got a slight south German accent. What does that tell you and what else stands out to you from that video?
PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, honestly, what you're seeing in the video is clearly a mentally disturbed individual who is ranting and raving. A little bit later, you see him in one of the other videos that were shot sort of shoot randomly at sudden points. This does not appear to be a sane individual. And the fact that this individual shot himself apparently after the attack suggested that he was not animated by Jihadi ideology because within Jihadist theology there's a very strong prohibition against committing suicide. Sure, you're allowed to commit suicide bombings because the suicide there is a by product of the attack, but in Islam even in Jihadi theology, you are not allowed to commit suicide.
So that is perhaps the points or a way for not being any Islamist terrorist connection to this attack.
COOPER: Bob, at one point, also, he's speaking against Turks. There's obviously a lot of Turkish immigrants in Germany who work there and have been there for a very long periods of time. Initially, the German police said they were getting contradictory information. They believe that there were multiple shooters. But as the hour -- at this hour, I mean, there's no clear understanding of who could have actually carried out this attack and that they now say there was just one shooter. Certainly, had there been multiple shooters than the idea that this is an actual organized terror attack seems more real?
ROBERT BAER, FMR. CIA OFFICER: Anderson, exactly. When the police first started announcing this and putting out information they said they were multiple attackers, three attackers in various parts of Munich, that's why they brought the special forces in, that's why they deployed all around the city and why the U.S. consulate in Munich also advised Americans to stay off the streets.
So, I think what we're seeing here is the German police were in a sense panicking because they are expecting an attack, but I completely agree with Paul the fact that he committed, the fact that he's an Iranian, rarely are involve in these attacks and he was ranting on and on, and it looks like a random attack, a psychopath.
But again, going back to the German reaction, they are clearly waiting for something to happen and this is why they reacted this way.
COOPER: Yeah, Juliette, I mean, there -- there's been obviously a lot of concern about Germany, as I said before with Barbara, Germany being serve next in the cross fire.
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Yeah, and they anticipated, I just, you know, picking up on what Bob said, a lot went right today. It was a horrible day, but to the extent that there's a train of local and federal law enforcement.
[20:45:00] The minute this happened, they don't know what's going on. They don't know the motivation. It could be 10 guys, it could be one you know, it could be ISIS motivated, it could be something else you know, getting the shopping mall cleared, making sure that the public was aware. Germany was incredible in their communication to the public about what people in Munich should do.
Closing mass transit, an important lesson out of July 7th attacks in London almost decade -- or over a decade ago because you don't want people to be able to get away, but you don't want soft targets.
So, looking at this from the perspective of, would Germany be ready? You know, because you can't stop everything. This is actually was an important exercise too.
COOPER: Yeah and certainly the bombing in Brussels also taught them to close down the subway system and do it fast.
General Hertling, you're very familiar with Munich and their police force. What about their operational abilities? How capable are they?
LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: They are extremely capable, Anderson. I need to just suggest a couple of things in this operation. First of all, the police and the intelligence were very good. That's expected. They trained together very well. I'm very impressed with the Germans. I lived in Germany for 12 years. The second thing I think we ought to really take away from this is, not every attack is an ISIS attack. I think for the first time ever, Michael Weiss and I agreed with each other this afternoon saying that this is about possibly 70 percent ISIS, 30 percent something else. It turned out to be the 30 percent something else.
The third thing is this guy was a German. What he was speaking is not High Deutsch or a High German or hope Hochdeutsch as they call it, but he was speaking with a Bavarian accent. It's very visible for anybody that's live there. Most other Germans don't even understand the Bavarian accent because it's sort of like entering into Southern Alabama and having that kind of an accent.
So this guy lives there and there is a divide in Germany between the Germans and the Turks. The Turks are currently being replaced by the Syrian refugees, but there is always been sort of a racial divide between Germany and the Turkish immigrants that came there a couple of decades ago. So you're seeing some of that hatred show off or the reaction to some of the hatred in Germany.
And I think Mrs. Merkel has some real challenges ahead of her in terms of pulling her country together to unity after she has allowed so many immigrants in, but there is a lot of hatred forming for any kind of refugees entering the country of Germany.
COOPER: Yeah. To your point, one of the things this guy were yelling, it was odd that he grew up or that he lived and serve an economically depressed area that was largely a Turkish area.
COOPER: Paul, this does come at a time where German intelligence agencies were getting information that ISIS operatives in Syria and Iraq were encouraging attacks in Germany. I mean, certainly, given the huge numbers of German refugees and migrants that have been accepted in Germany and initially encouraged by Angela Merkel to come to Germany. ISIS would like to have some of that population turn against Germany.
CRUICKSHANK: That's right. There's been a specific intelligence just in the last few days that ISIS operatives in Syria and Iraq have been reaching out to supporters in Germany, urging them directly to launch attacks in direct communications. They've also tried to recruit German ISIS members to come home and launch attacks.
So there's growing concern about ISIS direct and ISIS inspired terrorism. And of course, just a few days ago on a train in Southern Germany there was an ISIS inspired attack by an Afghan refugee. There have been these million refugees coming into Germany. There have been about 30 investigations where they've had hints of radicalization.
But actually, in most of those cases, those hints of radicalization have not been substantiated. Almost there have been hardly any cases, Anderson, of refugees coming in already radicalized. They're actually more concerned about the refugees being radicalized by German radicals already inside the country. COOPER: All right. I want to thank everybody on our panel. Again, our other breaking news story, Hillary Clinton has picked Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as her running mate. We'll have more on that ahead.
Also Donald Trump's new, I guess you could say tirade or him speaking out against Senator Ted Cruz. We'll be right back.
[20:52:37] COOPER: Our breaking news in the battle for the White House, Hillary Clinton has picked Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate. It will be a busy weekend for them as they get ready for the Democratic convention starting Monday in Philadelphia.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump is back in New York after wrapping up the GOP convention. He gave his first speech of the general election just before leaving Cleveland and time for him to launch a new phase of his campaign.
Mr. Trump started off thanking his supporters. Then it was pretty much back to the old Donald Trump. He went on the attack against Ted Cruz, his arch rival in the primaries who snubbed him and refused to endorse him during a speech this week at the GOP convention.
Sara Murray reports.
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SARA MURRAY, CNN POLTICAL REPORTER: Today, Donald Trump just couldn't resist the chance to settle old scores from his perch as the GOP nominee.
TRUMP: You know I don't want his endorsement. Just Ted, stay home, relax, enjoy yourself.
MURRAY: At an event billed as a thank you for volunteers and staffers, Trump quickly veered from the task at hand, insisting he doesn't want Ted Cruz's endorsement and arguing he never insulted Cruz's wife, Heidi Cruz, even after he retweeted this unflattering photo of her during the primaries.
TRUMP: When I saw somebody tweeted a picture of Melania and a picture of Heidi, who I think by the way is a very nice woman and a very beautiful woman. I have to tell you, I think Heidi Cruz is a great person. I think it's the best thing he's got going and his kids if you want to know the truth.
MURRAY: Trump, stepping on his own triumphant moment just a day after accepting the Republican nomination where he largely stuck to the script as he vowed to fight for the American people.
TRUMP: I say these words to you tonight. I am with you. I will fight for you and I will win for you.
MURRAY: While Trump used his Thursday night address to try and rise above ...
TRUMP: Let's defeat her in November, OK?
MURRAY: .... by Friday morning, he was back to plumbing the depths of conspiracy theories, reviving a tabloid tail back by zero evidence linking Ted Cruz's father to John F. Kennedy assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald.
TRUMP: All I did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "National Enquirer" there was picture of him and crazy Lee Harvey Oswald having breakfast.
MURRAY: And while Trump said much of his convention speech offering a dark assessment of the challenges facing the country ...
[20:55:04] TRUMP: I have a message to every last person threatening the peace on our streets and the safety of our police. When I take the oath of office next year, I will restore law and order to our country.
MURRAY: ... today, President Obama is pushing back, maintaining that portrayal doesn't match reality.
OBAMA: This vision of violence and chaos everywhere doesn't really jive with the experience of most people. I mean, I hope people the next morning walk outside and birds were chirping and the sun was out.
MURRAY: Now in the wake of the shootings in Munich, the Trump campaign will certainly feel like they hit the right tone, they hit the right message in Donald Trump's convention speech last night. But the thing that could still give Republicans heartburn is whether Donald Trump is disciplined enough to carry that message all the way until November.
Sara Murray, CNN, Cleveland.
COOPER: Well, in the next hour of "360", much more on Hillary Clinton's announcement. She's picked Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate. Some insight on why she chose him and reaction from our political panel next.
COOPER: And good evening. Thanks for joining us. A very busy night including late details in the mass shooting that leaves 10 people dead in Munich, Germany, including the apparent lone gunman.
[21:00:03] We begin though with Hillary Clinton making the biggest decision since deciding to run for president, naming Virginia Senator and former Governor Tim Kaine as her running mate.
Secretary Clinton tweeting, "I'm thrilled to announce my running mate, Tim Kaine, a man who's devoted his --