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Clinton's Email Scandal Not Going Away; Video Of Deadly Police Shooting In Chicago; Trump Endorses Rep. Ryan, Senators McCain And Ayotte; Trump Cites The "Wisdom Of Ronald Reagan"; Gov. Kasich Unsure If He'll Vote For Trump; Ex-CIA Chief Slams Trump; Trump: Clinton Is 'Unhinged' And 'Unstable'; Clinton Leading Trump In New Polls. Aired 9-10p ET
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[21:00:02] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: That does it for us. Thanks so much for watching. "CNN Tonight" with Don Lemon starts right now.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news, Donald Trump reversing his earlier position and endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan for re- election.
This is "CNN Tonight". I'm Don Lemon.
Trump gave his endorsement just moments ago.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In our shared mission to make America great again, I support and endorse our Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.
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LEMON: Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's e-mail controversy not going away. Today, doubling down on recent statements about her private e- mail server then admitting she may have short-circuited her answers.
And in Chicago, the release of police video is showing officers in a deadly confrontation with a young black man. Police officials are saying the shooting violated department protocol. We have all that for you a lot to cover tonight.
But I want to begin tonight with Donald Trump's endorsement of Paul Ryan and two other key Republicans. CNN's National Correspondent, Mr. Jason Carroll is in Green Bay, Wisconsin for us this evening.
Hi Jason. You're following the Trump campaign for us. It has been one hell of a week for Donald Trump. He's hobbling into the weekend with a whole lot of self-inflicted wounds. Is Trump finally getting back on track tonight?
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think some of his supporters certainly hope so. And tonight was definitely a major step in that direction. Look, it's very clear. Don, you're right that this campaign needed a reset. They needed to turn the page. And what Donald Trump did here in Wisconsin today is coming out and saying not only is he endorsing Paul Ryan, but what he did was he started to quote, Ronald Reagan and talking about the need for a bigger tent, saying the need for unity. Then he went a step further, saying that he was also endorsing John McCain and Senator Kelly Ayotte.
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TRUMP: So in our shared mission to make America great again, I support and endorse our Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.
Paul Ryan. Good. He's a good man. He's a good man and he's a good guy. And we may disagree on a couple of things, but mostly we agree and we're going to get it done and we're going to do a lot of wonderful things. He's a good man. And while I'm at it, I hold in the highest esteem Senator John McCain, for his service to our country, in uniform and in public office, and I fully support and endorse his re-election. It's very important. We'll work together.
I also fully support and endorse Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. A state I truly love, primarily because that was my first victory, but I love New Hampshire. No. I love New Hampshire. It's one of the most beautiful places. She's a rising star and will continue to represent the great people of New Hampshire so very well for a long, long time. Senator Kelly Ayotte.
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CARROLL: So Don, for whatever reason, maybe it's a sinking in the most recent polls that have come out. Maybe it's been all the bad publicity. Whatever the reason maybe, Donald Trump taking a major step today here in Green Bay, Wisconsin, with those endorsements. Telling the crowd we may have disagreements, but he said we will all disagree as friends, unified the party to move forward in order to try to beat Hillary Clinton. Don?
LEMON: Yeah. We're really sticking to the script and reading it right off the cards, reading in off notes. Something you rarely see Donald Trump doing. Jason, I have to ask you, any of Wisconsin's top GOP brass say Paul Ryan, in attendance at Trump's rally tonight?
CARROLL: Well, top GOP brass, if you count Mike Pence, but, you know, no Paul Ryan here, no Governor Scott Walker here, no Senator Ron Johnson, none of those people were present, but there could be a reason for that. Remember, Don, that Paul Ryan had said that he had not even spoken to Donald Trump since the RNC.
And so I think there was, you know, some sort of uncertainty as to what Donald Trump would do when he took the stage here today, even though the reports had surfaced early on that he would come out and endorse Ryan.
[21:05:07] But I think there was some uncertainty there simply because Donald Trump is the type of man who's hard to predict, you know? I mean, you know that. We've all seen it throughout the campaign. So that could be the reason why you did not see more prominent Wisconsin members of the GOP on the stage here with Donald Trump here tonight.
LEMON: Yup. Didn't know what he was going to say. Jason Carroll following the Trump campaign in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Thank you, Jason.
I want to bring in now Michael Reagan, the son of President Ronald Reagan, the Author of Lessons my Father Taught Me, the Strength, Integrity and Faith of Ronald Reagan. And also with me is, Ryan Lizza, the CNN's Political Commentator and Washington Correspondent for the New Yorker. Happy Friday evening to both of you. Michael, you first.
MICHAEL REAGAN, SON OF PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN, AUTHOR, LESSONS MY FATHER TAUGHT ME, NEWSMAX CONTRIBUTOR: Thank you.
LEMON: Donald Trump reading off a piece of paper, finally endorsed Paul Ryan tonight after immense pressure from the party, reports of outrage from Reince Priebus and only after his running mate, Mike Pence, voiced his support. But here's my question. Why do you think Trump withheld his endorsement to begin with?
REAGAN: Well, he shouldn't have withheld his endorsement to begin with. I think it all goes back to the Paul Ryan lack of endorsement, you know, a month or so ago when he was trying to one-up if you will Paul Ryan. And this is the problem with Donald Trump. He always does something to put himself on the front pages and then gripes the fact that the media is not covering Hillary Clinton.
I think the media would cover Hillary Clinton more if Donald Trump spent less time trying to be on the front pages of newspaper and the lead story in many of the news stories that come out at night even on CNN or anyplace else.
LEMON: Michael, right before the endorsement, he quoted your father. Let's listen to this.
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TRUMP: I understand an embrace the wisdom of Ronald Reagan's big tent within the party, big, big tent. Remember, Ronald Reagan. A great man. Brave guy. Remember he included Reagan Democrats and Independents and Republicans, lot of people. We're going to have the same thing.
There are a lot of Democrats perhaps in this room. Are there a lot of Democrats in this room? Raise your hands. I mean, I don't think we need too many to be honest with you.
So I embrace the wisdom that my 80 percent friend is not my 20 percent enemy. Ronald Reagan. Stated by Ronald Reagan. Pretty good. We will be the big tent party.
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LEMON: Michael, what's your reaction to that? REAGAN: It was pretty rough for him to be able to get that out. Somebody must have drilled it into his head what he needs to say, because it didn't come out -- nobody is (inaudible) that he's informed.
LEMON: I'm glad you said that because I thought I was the only one. He did not dear from that paper. He's like, Kelly Ayotte, I support.
RYAN LIZZA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It looked like a hostage video.
REAGAN: It was, but Ronald Reagan didn't spend the campaign burning down half the tent to try and make it a bigger tent. He kept on trying to fill that tent. And you'll say, I think it's great to mention my father.
It's wonderful that I had Ronald Reagan as my dad. We had him as president for eight years. But the reality is those Reagan Democrats he's talking to are 90 years old. He has to find a message that's going to bring in the millennials, bring in others to the tent and make that tent his tent.
Ronald Reagan's tent is gone for all purposes because people age out of that tent and they die and they go away. My daughter Ashley, 33 years of age, a millennial.
REAGAN: Like she says I know who my grandpa was, but nobody my age does.
LEMON: I want you guys to look at this. This is a picture or a screen grab of right after he made the endorsement there. You know, he's like I did this. I did it. I want to say other stuff, but I'm not. Ryan, what do you think of this? What's your reaction?
LIZZA: I mean, when I was watching it, it reminded me of the Bowe Bergdahl hostage videos that the Taliban took. It looks like he was a little under duress. We all know from the reporting there was a complete an utter freak out among senior Republicans this week telling him or telling Trump that he cannot endorse the Speaker of the House. He can't be playing games with John McCain just because they had a personal tiff earlier this year.
I mean, there are people in the McCain world who want McCain to withdraw his endorsement of Trump. And there is a lot of loose talk this week among in Republican circles, oh, what are the rules in the party if we need to have a new nominee? Is Trump really, you know, is ...
LEMON: You don't think all is forgiven now that he's done this and start (inaudible)?
LIZZA: I'm just saying that there's a lot of pressure on Trump in a way that we haven't seen before for him to do this and he was a good soldier and did it. And I just want to say, thank you for Michael for pointing out that the Reagan Democrats are either Republicans or dead now. There is so much talk about how Republicans have to win back Reagan Democrats and that phenomenon is just ancient history in politics.
[21:10:08] LEMON: There's some talk to you about Clinton Republican as well.
REAGAN: And, Don, to make another point, if I can make another point.
LEMON: Yeah, go ahead, Michael.
REAGAN: Yeah, and make another point that Donald Trump needed to endorse Paul Ryan and Paul Ryan didn't need that endorsement. But the reason he had to endorse Paul Ryan is because without Paul Ryan's district in Wisconsin, if Donald Trump doesn't win that district, he does not win Wisconsin in November. It was more for Donald Trump today than it ever was for Paul Ryan.
LEMON: Why do you think that -- why don't you think, Michael, that Donald Trump didn't realize this from the beginning when, with for whatever reason he withheld his endorsement of Ryan and others? Why didn't he realize that from the beginning, that he needs Ryan at this point more than Ryan needs him, but, you know, for the election?
REAGAN: I think when he saw the latest polls and these last couple of weeks had just been outrageous for him. He finally started to listen to somebody, but look out how hard it is for him. Writing that on the notes and trying to say every word exactly how it was said. The problem is, will he be able to say that tomorrow and follow through and keep the eye on the prize which is the presidency instead of on himself.
LEMON: Ryan Lizza?
LEMON: My colleague Jake Tapper spoke with Ohio Governor John Kasich today. Here's what he said about voting for Trump.
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JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Have you ever voted for a Democrat for president?
GOV. JOHN KASICH, (R) OHIO: No.
TAPPER: You've only voted Republican?
KASICH: Yeah. Well, I'm a Republican and it had been.
TAPPER: Right. You know, is it possible you will not vote for a Republican for president?
KASICH: Let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is very disturbing and alarming to me. I shouldn't say alarm. It's not alarming. I wish that I could be fully enthusiastic. I can't be. So I don't know what's going to happen at the end.
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LEMON: So, Ryan, can Trump win without support from folks like John Kasich or Meg Whitman or Congressman Richard Hanna? I mean, the list of defections and non-endorsements go on and on now?
LIZZA: Yeah, yeah. Well I mean he can. But look, Ohio is a really an important state as we all know. I don't see any chance of Donald Trump winning this race unless he wins Ohio. Kasich's a very important political figure there. He's got a whole network of activists and elected officials that, you know, not that he necessarily controls, but that he can activate if Trump actually reached out to him and, you know, got his endorsement.
So it's just politically, whatever pride that, you know, Trump has in wanting to go suck up to some of these politicians, if he wants to win he needs them. So and that's what's so puzzling about just basic politics 101 that he refuses to engage in.
One other thing about the 80 percent thing that Trump said today, I'm not really sure that that's true in the case of Ryan and Trump. If you look at entitlements, foreign policy, trade, any of the big issues, even tax reform, any of the big issues, Trump and Ryan are -- cthey disagree in immigration reform. They disagree on all of the big issues in the Republican Party. So I don't even know that there's an 80 percent agreement there.
So the fact that Trump wanted Ryan's might -- he was flirting Paul Ryan's opponent who frankly is idealogically closer to Trump, you know, giving Trump a little bit of credit there. He was his idealogically more in tune with Paul Ryan's opponent than he is with Paul Ryan.
LEMON: Yeah. Hey Michael, can I ask you about this because I've been noticing you responding to a lot of Trump supporters on your Twitter page or calling you a Republican a name only, a rhino.
LEMON: You responded to one person saying, if you're a rhino, that would make your father one too. Why do you think you're getting so much heat?
REAGAN: Yeah, because I don't think people really understand who Ronald Reagan was. I think there's a lot of people out there redefining my father in their image and like this, instead of who he was. My dad was a pragmatist. He was a conservative, but understood he had to bring other people to the table to in fact get things done.
And when I speak to Republican groups they say would you nominate today someone who raised taxes as governor, signed an abortion bill as governor, no-fault divorce as governor, and was my god, a union leader and it was the screen actors guild? That person wouldn't see the light of day today in the Republican Party. But yet he's the greatest president we feel in our lifetime and he was, because my father looked at the whole of the person.
He didn't look at people in snapshots and use that against them the rest of their entire political career.
LEMON: Yeah, interesting perspective. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. Have a good weekend.
LIZZA: Thanks, Don.
LEMON: And straight ahead, a former CIA chief weighs in on the race for the White House, slamming Donald Trump. We're going to see what he's saying and a police controversy in Chicago. Newly released dash camera and body camera video showing the dramatic moments leading up to the deadly police shooting of an unarmed man.
[21:18:30] LEMON: And we're back. Our breaking news tonight, Donald Trump reversing himself and endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan's bid for re-election. I want to bring in now Matt Lewis, a CNN contributor to the Daily Caller, Scottie Nell-Hughes a Trump supporter and Maria Cardona, a Hillary Clinton's supporter. I feel like it's a CNN girl all over again with ...
SCOTTIE NELL-HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Reunion!
LEMON: Happy Friday. Matt, I want to start with Donald Trump's endorsement of Paul Ryan. Why would he go out of his way to tell "The Washington Post" that he wasn't quite there yet to endorse him and to provoke this massive GOP freak-out, only to endorse him after all, you know, just a few days later?
MATT LEWIS, CNN SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR DAILY CALLER: Well, it's bizarre and one only can imagine that he had to have his mind changed, you know, maybe Paul Manafort said look, you need to win Wisconsin, you need Paul Ryan more than Paul Ryan needs you. And this might be an occasion where he had to check in with the central command and be persuaded that this was the right move to make. I think ultimately, he made the right move, I think if he can do what he did today for the next 96 or however many days, he'd be much better off.
LEMON: Isn't he his own central command, though? Isn't that what we have kind of heard, that he's, you know, this his own thing?
LEWIS: Every once in a while -- you know, you're right, I think by and large, he runs the show and he goes by his gut instinct. But every once in awhile, Paul Manafort sneaks in, changes his password on his Twitter machine and gives him cue cards and he does great. Well, it's not authentic but it's on message, for about 24 hours or so.
[21:20:01] LEMON: Do you think Paul Manafort was like right near the podium or under, going "Don't you dare veer from this script. Stick to the script." Scottie, I have to ask you what exactly changed in three days? Because I think there are a lot of people out there who are thinking that Trump -- this makes him look petty, maybe even vindictive, that it was just, you know, pay back for those who criticize him over his handling of the Khan situation. What changed here?
HUGHES: Well, I think this is actually bigger than just an endorsement of Paul Ryan. I mean the fact he stood up and endorsed also Senator John McCain, Senator Kelly Ayotte, I'm watching Twitter right now and a lot of conservatives are very upset over this. But they say I understand it, I get it, I don't like it.
LEMON: Why are they upset?
HUGHES: Well, they are upset because they see, you know, they've seen John McCain for the past five years has just called conservatives, Ted Cruz supporters, Trump supporters, crazy, hobbits, whacko birds. I mean he insulted the Grassroots. However ...
LEMON: Yeah you tweeted that, Scottie? You tweeted this, you said, "Why should Donald Trump endorse John McCain? He called Trump supporters, Tea Party, Ted Cruz, Cruz Crew hobbits, whacko birds and crazies."
So is it just a personal dislike or is there principle involved here?
HUGHES: Well, and I think it's about the principle of the overall picture. I think Mr. Trump and his campaign has realized what a major machine that we're running up against with the Democrats and we are tired of fighting our own. We need their help.
There's a -- I have always said the Grassroots are not going to survive within the Republican Party without the establishment and the establishment is not going to survive without the passion of the Grassroots.
I think this is Mr. Trump saying, you know what listen, I raised you $83 million, I will publicly come out and endorse you. Now, can we all get on the same team and start fighting the Democrats. I'm tired of fighting with my own party. I think this was a really big step about party unity.
LEMON: But doesn't that -- it sounds like honestly you're giving that advice to Donald Trump because he's been fighting with his own party. The party really hasn't been fighting with him. It sound like -- are you giving advice to him, are you giving advice to the party?
HUGHES: A little bit of both. Because the party has been fighting with him. And I still remember that you look at see John McCain, also Paul Ryan, they've come out several times, said we don't agree with the candidate. We're not removing our endorsement but we don't agree with what he's doing.
They didn't have to say that. They didn't have to come out either way. So, I think at this point, OK, let's all come to the table, let's start forward. Like I said, I think they realize the grandeur ...
LEMON: Maria, I know you ...
HUGHES: ... all of the Democrats.
LEMON: Hang on, Scottie. Maria, I know you want to get in here and I promise you I'll let you get in.
John McCain is a war hero. And he thinks that Donald Trump has insulted a war hero. Why wouldn't he say I disagree? I mean, come on. Come on, Scottie. I mean he has to say that. It would go against who he is as a person not to say that.
HUGHES: So is this for me or ...
LEMON: Scottie, Scottie.
HUGHES: OK. Sorry, I thought that you're going to -- No, it's not that he doesn't have to say that. He could have just remained quiet, he could have just sat there and said something.
And if he did come out and say he disagrees, will he also come out about the gold star families that over the last three days have been on our channel luckily and had been telling their message about how much they do support Mr. Trump and they do believe that he's behind military families?
So, you know, once that door is open, is he going to be fair and recognize these other gold star families that are 100 percent behind Mr. Trump as well?
LEMON: OK, let's let Maria get in. She's been sitting here quietly. Maria, can I play something first before you respond?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure.
LEMON: Donald Trump went after Hillary Clinton's mental state. Listen.
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TRUMP: Unstable, Hillary Clinton, lacks the judgment, temperament and moral character to lead this country and I believe that so strongly.
She's really pretty close to unhinged and you've seen it, you've seen it a couple of times, and she's like an unbalanced person.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CARDONA: He's reading from those note cards pretty well.
LEMON: But he's using words that Democrats and even some ...
CARDONA: Yes. LEMON: ... Republicans have used against him. What's your reaction?
CARDONA: Yeah, it's kind of like, I know you are, but what am I kind of game. And see, here's the problem I think that he is facing. He is seeing his numbers plummet, his poll numbers. And we know, we all know how he loves to talk about poll numbers.
They are plummeting everywhere in the battleground states, nationally and even in deep red states like Georgia where Hillary Clinton is currently ahead.
LEMON: I think it's like three points that she's leading, yeah.
CARDONA: It's four points she's leading him by four points which is just jaw-dropping. But I think what it says to his campaign is, they had to do something desperate. And clearly his endorsement of John McCain, his endorsement of Paul Ryan, came because of that intervention.
I think part of that intervention was also to try to take the focus off of his what -- I can only call political psychosis of the last two weeks because he has been all over the place and the Trump train is falling off the rails. And they said to him well, you know, try to focus this on Hillary Clinton, because we need a way to keep the focus off of your massive, you know, debacle in the last two weeks and try to put it on your opponent, Hillary Clinton.
I think voters, for -- and what has happened the last two weeks, they have really started to become convinced that this is a man, this was not a strategy. This was not a brilliant political strategy that he used that happened to work for him during the Republican primary, but it is no longer a strategy.
[21:25:05] It is essentially political psychosis because he can't help himself when he is in front of a teleprompter, or with note cards ...
LEMON: The crowd, he -- yeah.
CARDONA: And a crowd when he's speaking for himself.
LEMON: He faces of the crowd.
LEWIS: The problem though, the problem, though, is that I agree, go after Hillary Clinton, go on the offense, that's what he ought to be doing, but there's no narrative that says Hillary Clinton's unhinged or doing insane. Like the narrative is that, the narrative is that she's a liar that she's not, you know ...
LEWIS: ... she is not honest with the American public, that she's secretive, that she's not likable and that in a world where, you know, seven out of 10 Americans are unhappy with the direction, she's the status quo.
CARDONA: But you know ... LEWIS: And so hit her on that. But not that.
CARDONA: All right.
LEMON: I have to take a break that because Matt set me up for the tease.
LEMON: I want you all to stay with me. Hillary Clinton admitting that she may have short-circuited, that's a quote from her, some of her answers about her e-mail scandal. We're going to talk about that, next.
[21:30:00] LEMON: Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal dogging her campaign again, back with me, Matt Lewis, Scottie Nell-Hughes and Maria Cardona.
Here is Hillary Clinton again today trying to explain the differences -- look out Maria, the differences between her public statements and what the FBI Director has said about her private e-mail system.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I was pointing out in both of those instances that Director Comey had said that my answers in my FBI interview were truthful. That's really the bottom line here.
And I have said during the interview and in many other occasions over the past months that what I told the FBI, which he said was truthful, is consistent with what I have said publicly. So I may have short- circuited and for that, I, you know, we'll try to clarify.
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LEMON: So Maria, here's what I want to say.
LEMON: No matter how many times I try to explain this, it is taken the wrong way or out of context so I will just defer to the last what I have said that it was wrong, I should not have done it and I apologize for it. That's just -- everything else will be misconstrued.
How about that? Because every media organization, the fact checkers they found this claim misleading at best. Why does she keep fumbling this?
CARDONA: Well I think the reason and I agree with you, that is the answer that hopefully she will give because she does need to focus on two things. She needs to focus on the fact that she has apologized for it and will continue to do that. She knows it was not the right thing to do and she would not do it again if she gets the chance. And secondly, that she was exonerated. I mean, essentially the decision was not to move forward with any charges, right.
Those are the two really important things. But the reason I think she does this is because there is a frustration. Yes, Comey said in his press conference so many things, right, he exacerbated what she said ...
LEMON: Do we have time for all this?
CARDONA: No ...
LEMON: That's the whole thing. You have to get so into the weeds to explain all that.
CARDONA: ... no, no, but here's the thing, that's right and -- but let me say this, the reason why she gets into those weeds is because when he was in front of Congress, there were a lot of things that he said that actually did exonerate her in terms of the three classified e-mails that had no markings.
LEMON: I understand that, but bottom line is she ...
LEMON: ... is that she is reading this wrong.
CARDONA: Yes, it's well ...
LEMON: And the American people have decided that they don't believe that she's truthful.
CARDONA: Well, but here's the thing ...
LEMON: So, why not just -- why don't she just say ...
CARDONA: I agree with you.
LEMON: We always say Donald Trump ...
LEMON: ... unforced errors. This is an unforced error.
CARDONA: No, no, no, I agree with you that she should not get into the weeds because it's not going to change anybody's mind, right?
CARDONA: She should just focus on the apology and moving forward.
CARDONA: But this is all baked in. So the people who like her, this is not going to change. The people who don't like her are going to continue to use it.
LEMON: But it's the same thing, Matt ...
CARDONA: As a weapon.
LEMON: ... that we say about Donald Trump, when you're in the general, you're trying to -- it's addition. It's not just about your base. So her base doesn't care. So why does she keep explaining it and re-explaining it and fumbling it, correct? Am I wrong here?
LEWIS: No, I think you're right. I thing these are both really bad candidates, in a different war -- you know, and anybody -- I think a generic Republican would be beating Hillary Clinton by seven points right now.
I don't know that she was exonerated. I heard that word. I have to look up the exact definition. But, you know, she was negligent. She broke the law, she broke the rules. But FBI Director Comey determined that it had to be like intentional, that she had to be like malicious in trying to ...
LEWIS: ... to skirt the rules. So anyway, we can parse that all you want but these are two very bad candidates and this is like ...
LEMON: Who keep re-litigating things that you don't have to? I mean, both of them. Donald Trump does it, Hillary Clinton is doing it with this.
LEMON: Because -- I mean listen, 34 percent of voters think that she is just an honest and trustworthy, that she is, the same thing for Donald Trump. So she doesn't have to really out do him on that.
All she has to do is avoid the subject. So my question to you Scottie is, Clinton -- she's riding a wave in the polls right now. She's 13 points ahead in Pennsylvania, nine points in Michigan, 15 in New Hampshire, four points ahead in Georgia.
We were just talking about that. Four points ahead in Georgia which has been a red state for decades. And then in new national polls now showing everything from 9 points to 14 point lead. How can Trump turn this around in 96 or 95 days?
HUGHES: I think very easily. I mean it just shows these polls are extremely temperamental. I mean less than, what was it, 9 days ago, Mr. Trump was leading in the majority of these polls.
And I think the role -- of course obviously you would want the polls to be in your favor as a candidate but I think what we are missing is the idea of engagement. Which person has actually been more engaging of their followers and so -- their loyal supporters?
Look at the rallies this week. You had Donald Trump with some of the highest numbers ever, tens of thousands, 10, 12, 15,000 in these states where supposedly he's losing in the polls.
Hillary Clinton goes to a tie factory and can't even fill up an entire room or goes to an African-American church on Sunday and they can't even fill up the pews. What we're seeing right now, is who's actually going to be able to motivate, engage their supporters to make it to the polls in November?
[21:35:02] Mr. Trump right now, I think would be leading in that -- if that poll was taken at this point.
CARDONA: But it's interesting what Scottie says because Hillary Clinton supporters are actually more dedicated to voting for her than what now Donald Trump supporters are voting for him.
HUGHES: According to the polls. But you're not seeing that in the human bodies.
LEMON: Thank you all. Have a great weekend.
By the way, we've taken Maria's phone away because her alarmed just -- she's very alarming this evening. She's very alarming (inaudible).
Coming up, newly released video showing the dramatic moments leading up to the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager by Chicago police officers.
LEMON: Chicago officials releasing police body cam video that shows the moments leading up to the deadly shooting of an unarmed African- American man. Now I have to warn you, the video is graphic. CNN's Rosa Flores has the story.
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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Newly released dash and body camera videos show the dramatic moments leading up to a deadly police shooting in Chicago. The suspect, 18-year-old Paul O'Neal, was fleeing from police in a black jaguar reported stolen.
[21:40:03] As he drives towards the police car, two officers jump out. Firing at the jaguar as it speeds by, one officer even pointing its gun in the direction of its partner as he turns around.
Seconds later, O'Neal slams head-on into a police SUV. The violent collision covering the SUV's dash cam with smoke as O'Neal takes off running. Body cameras show officers chasing him. Moments later, the sound of gunfire. O'Neal was shot in the backyard of a home.
The county medical examiner says O'Neal, who was unarmed, died of a gunshot wound to the back. The officer who fired the fatal shot was wearing a body camera but it was not recording. Investigators are trying to figure out why. O'Neal's family watched the videos before they were released to the public. BRIANA ADAMS, PAUL O'NEAL'S SISTER: I'm very hurt. Words can't describe how I feel at this moment. And how I felt when it happened. But I really want everybody to know that Paul was loved by my mother, his family, me.
FLORES: The family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the department and the officers involved. Family members say some of the most disturbing moments are what the officers say after the shooting, while O'Neal is still bleeding and handcuffed on the ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot back, right?
FLORES: The shooting happening in what has been deemed a new era of transparency and accountability in Chicago.
EDDIE JOHNSON, CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT: As it appears right now, departmental policies may have been violated.
FLORES: The new police superintendent took swift action taking the police powers away from the three officers who fired their weapons. It also only took eight days for officials to release the video. A move that at times has taken more than a year.
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LEMON: Rosa joins me now from Chicago. Rosa, incredible video and yet, we're missing the key piece, the body cam from the officer who fired the fatal shot. Why don't we have that piece of video?
FLORES: You know, Don, that is the piece of evidence that's raising eyebrows for the protesters that you see behind me. You can see there's a small group here protesting that very matter. But here's what we've learned from police. They tell us that they are investigating that issue, that that is an issue in this particular case, and they point out to several things. They do say that that police officer whose body cam was not working at the time, the one that fired that fatal shot, he was inside the cruiser that you saw in that video that the black Jaguar hit head-on so they don't know if that collision deactivated the camera for some reason.
And then the other thing that they point out is that this police officer was part of a district that was rolling out the body cameras here in Chicago and they had only been using those body cameras for eight to 10 days. So they're trying to figure out if somehow the police officer didn't know how to use it properly or he just did not use it properly in that particular instance. Don.
LEMON: Rosa Flores in Chicago, very tense times there. Thank you very much Rosa.
Coming up, our police experts break down what happened and what could have happened.
[21:47:58] LEMON: So, portions of video that Chicago officials released today showing the chase and subsequent shooting death by police officers of an unarmed man. I want to talk about this incident now with Dimitri Roberts. He's a former Chicago police officer. And Tom Verni, who is a former New York City police detective. Officers, thank you so much for joining me this evening. Dimitri to you first -- this video is pretty shocking. So, walk us through what we are seeing in this video.
DIMITRI ROBERTS, FORMER CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER: Well, what you are seeing are officers responding to obviously a very dynamic incident and situation. And officers ready to respond to what they may face on that scene.
LEMON: So, we see, Dimitri, driving a stolen Jaguar, right? We see that's an -- officers chasing, they begin on foot. Right. And they're shooting. Go on.
ROBERTS: Yes. And then we see a foot chase ensue after the suspect flees the vehicle. And from there, things get very sketchy, Don, once we are not able to see that video any longer. But what we also see and I think is very important to point out is that a very clear violation of police policy and police training upon that officer exiting that vehicle.
LEMON: Did the gunshot -- he died of -- Paul O'Neal died of gunshot wounds to the back. He was unarmed. Do you see that there was any reason to shoot? Did police have any reason to shoot?
ROBERSTS: Obviously without a weapon being present and one not being found on the scene, I've been in dozens of police chases, I've been in dozens of foot chases on those very streets of Chicago, none of them resulting in the shooting of an unarmed teenager or any other person for that matter.
So, it is my opinion that there is some aggression and some policies that should have been followed that didn't, and it led to the untimely death of this young black teen.
LEMON: OK, Tom, to you. This video shows police chasing Paul O'Neal around fences, you see him through backyards where he was shot. So, give us the perspective of police in these moments.
[21:50:00] TOM VERNI, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Well, any type of pursuit is always going to -- you're going to be umped-up, your adrenaline is going to be running and pumping big time. There's multiple units involved. So, it gets really, really chaotic.
You know, we're obviously not talking about a choir boy (ph) here. This -- you know, this kid took -- was wanted for the series of car thefts. He was driving a stolen car. He led police on a crazy chase. And then subsequently ran into a couple of police cars. So, you know, clearly this kid wanted to get away. And he was a real danger to the community as well as the police.
Having said that, you know, it is also clear as Dimitri had mentioned that there were couple of procedures that were not followed here. One was the shooting at a moving vehicle, which is a recently fairly new procedure, if I'm not mistaken, in Chicago reinforced, that you not -- you can't shoot at a moving vehicle.
The shot (inaudible) if you hit the driver and then the vehicle goes out of control and hits someone, and we have a bigger problem. The second thing that we have a problem with here is the, you know, perpetrator being shot in the back. Generally, police train their officers to not shoot a fleeing felon, unless of course that fleeing felon is an immediate threat to that officer or someone else under really ...
LEMON: Well, that's the question I was going to ask. Because as you said, you know, clearly, you know, he's not a choir boy (ph) what had been. But isn't that's what police officers -- police officers are trained, your training is to deal with a criminal element.
And this is an unarmed person, regardless of what he's done. And no one is making an excuse for what he's done. Officers' jobs are very -- you know, they have very dangerous jobs. We know all that. But in the training, the training and what police -- the Chicago Police Department has said is that several procedures were not followed.
VERNI: Absolutely. And you know ...
LEMON: Let me ask you the same question that I asked him. Do you see any reason for them to shoot this person?
VERNI: I -- based on what we -- with the video that we've seen and the facts that we know to date, I don't see a reason, a justifiable reason why, which could be the reason why that they've, you know -- well, under normal circumstances in a shooting, the officers are going to be taking off patrol anyway.
I was involved in a couple of shootings. I've been involved in a number of car chases and for pursuits. But in a shooting -- whenever an officer is involved in a shooting, they automatically will put that officer on a modified duty for at least usually 30 to 90-day period, depending on what kind of shooting that was.
LEMON: But did you see any reason though for them shoot him?
VERNI: I -- based on what we know here, I don't see a justifiable reason, no.
LEMON: Dimitri, the video shows an exchange between the officers after the shooting. Let's listen to that it again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) I'm going to on the desk for 30 (inaudible) days now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He, he shot back, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He almost hit my partner, so, I (inaudible) shot at him. (END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: Dimitri, what's your reaction to that?
ROBERTS: It's upsetting, you know. And let me say, this doesn't represent the department as a whole that I served on. And it definitely doesn't represent the officers that I worked with. It's very callous. It was very removed from the scenario that we saw unfold there.
And I don't think those officers were aware of what was going on and that that camera was still on. And unfortunately now, this is something that they further have to explain to the community as well as to that victim's family as to why we are not taking a service first mentality and rendering aid in situations where citizens are injured, whether they're somebody who is on the other end of a crime or not.
LEMON: Can we determine whether this shooting was justified or not without the piece of video that is missing? How big of a problem is that for investigators, Dimitri?
ROBERTS: Well, let me be very clear, Don, and say this. Any time you're involved with a suspect or anyone that is portrayed to be in the committing -- to be committing a crime, if they don't have a weapon, if they don't pose an immediate threat, then there is very, very -- it's going to be a very tough time to prove that this shooting is justified, no matter who's on the other end of it.
So, it is my belief that these officers operated outside their policies. They operated outside the training that I went through. I went through the same training that they did. And it's unfortunate that another black young man has to be killed on the south side of Chicago at the hands of police officers. That's not the oath that I swore. And unfortunately, that's what we have to deal with today.
LEMON: I want to play this quickly before we get, that the Chicago police are pretending Eddie Johnson tried to give a press conference and was met by protesters. Listen to this.
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EDDIE JOHNSON, PROTESTER: Public safety, accountability, transparency will look different. We are dissatisfied with ungracious leadership and Chicago Police Department.
We are dissatisfied. Bridging that gap between African-Americans and Chicago police, impossible.
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LEMON: Tom, as of today, 573 people have been shot and killed by police so far this year. That's according to "The Washington Post", 47 percent are white, 26 percent black. Do you understand why some still feel so frustrated with the police?
VERNI: I totally can understand, especially after we just had a couple of high-profile shootings at Baton Rouge in Minnesota. You know, the thing is we -- there is a -- there's a big disconnect as to what people can, you know, know about policing and what the police can really do. I think Dimitri can appreciate that as well.
[21:55:11] And, you know, Chicago has got a huge problem. I mean, I feel bad for the people of Chicago, as a ton of (inaudible). I think there were about 2,300, 2,400 shootings this year.
There's a lot of issues in Chicago. I think the police are trying, you know, to be more transparent. And we'll see how that goes.
LEMON: Tom, that's the last word. Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate it. We'll be right back.
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