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Two More Women Accuse Trump of Sexual Assault; Trump Accuser Speaks Out to CNN; Trump Speaking at Rally Amid New Allegations; Clinton on Trump: "The Disturbing Stories Keep Coming"; Former "Apprentice" Star Speaks Out About Trump Kiss; "Apprentice" Creator Under Pressure to Release Trump Footage. Aired 7-8p ET
Aired October 14, 2016 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:10] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, the breaking news. Donald Trump waging a war on his accusers, mocking their stories and their looks. He's speaking live this hour. Will he keep up those attacks?
Plus, a former beauty queen coming forward with stunning accusations against Donald Trump. She shares her story with me tonight. And a former "Apprentice" contestant telling me Donald Trump kissed her unexpectedly but she says she's still voting for him. She's our guest. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett and OUTFRONT tonight, we begin with the breaking news. Donald Trump trashing his accusers. Two more women coming forward tonight saying, the Republican presidential nominee sexually assaulted them. Trump angrily denying the accusations, calling the women liars, mocking the appearance of an accuser who came forward on Wednesday and said he groped her on an airplane.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: They are 100 percent made up. They never happened. They never would happen. Oh, I was with Donald Trump in 1980. I was sitting with him on an airplane. And he went after me on the plane. Yes, I'm going to go after you. Believe me. She would not be my first choice. That I can tell you. You don't know. That would not be my first choice.
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BURNETT: The new accusations coming out tonight are stunning. Kristin Anderson telling the Washington Post that Trump groped her at a New York nightclub in the 1990s. Anderson charges she was talking with friends when Trump put her hand up her skirt and she was very graphic in what happened. Here she is.
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KRISTIN ANDERSON, CLAIMS TRUMP GROPED HER IN MANHATTAN NIGHTCLUB: He did touch my vagina through my underwear.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BURNETT: Another new accuser, Summer Zervos, former "Apprentice" contestant says, Trump kissed her and put his hands on her breasts. Multiple women had come forward with allegations against Trump. And in just a few moments, I'm going to speak to one of them. One saying Trump kissed her against her will. Right now though you are looking at live pictures. Donald Trump going to be rallying supporters on that stage in just a few moments in the crucial swing state of the North Carolina.
First though, we begin with Jessica Schneider who has much more on both of the new accusers that are coming forward just tonight. And Jessica, their allegations fit with a pattern of behavior.
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That is right, Erin. All of these women say these were uninvited incidents of kissing and groping. And all of these women, including the two today say they are coming forward because of Donald Trump's own comments in that "Access Hollywood" tape followed by his denials in Sunday night's debate.
SCHNEIDER: Summer Zervos was a contestant on the "Apprentice Season 5" in 2006, season six. But after getting the boot from Donald Trump in the first episode --
TRUMP: You know what Summer, you're fired.
SUMMER ZERVOS, FORMER APPRENTICE CONTESTANT: OK.
TRUMP: Go. Thank you.
SCHNEIDER: Zervos turn to Trump to guide her career.
ZERVOS: Even after I was fired I continued to see him as the possible mentor and a potential employer.
SCHNEIDER: She says she met with Trump twice in 2007, first in his office in New York.
ZERVOS: When I arrived, he kissed me on the lips. I was surprised but felt that perhaps it was just his form of greeting.
SCHNEIDER: Trump asked for her number and they planned to meet up the next time he was in L.A. Zervos says, the family members and friends she told about the kiss suggested she ignore it.
ZERVOS: I spoke at length with my loved ones, and we came to the conclusion that this was undoubtedly some form of greeting and that I should not take it as anything other than that.
SCHNEIDER: So, when Trump called her a few days later, she agreed to meet him at the Beverly Hills Hotel. When she arrived, she said the security guard led her inside Trump's room. ZERVOS: He stood up and he came to me and started kissing me open
mouth as he was pulling me towards him. I walked away and I sat down in a chair. He was on the left seat across of me and I made an attempt to conversation. He then asked me to sit next to him. I complied. He then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast. I pulled back and walked to another part of the room.
SCHNEIDER: Zervos said she resisted while the aggression continued.
ZERVOS: I pushed his chest and put space between and I said, come on man, get real. He repeated my words back to me, get real as he began thrusting his genitals.
SCHNEIDER: Zervos says, the sexual advantage eventually stopped, she had dinner with him and then left the hotel. She says, she was eventually offered a job at Trump's golf course near L.A. But she turned it down when the salary was half of what she expected. She hasn't talked to Trump since though she says, she reached out in April of this year to give him a chance to explain his behavior. She never heard back. With a flood of allegations, Zervos said, she felt compelled to speak out.
ZERVOS: You do not have the right to treat women as sexual objects just because you are a star.
SCHNEIDER: In a statement today, Trump says, "To be clear I never met her at a hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago." He continued, "That is not who I am as a person and it is not how I've conducted my life."
[19:05:10] Kristin Anderson telling "The Washington Post," she too was groped by Trump at a nightclub in New York in the early 1990s.
ANDERSON: The person on my right who unbeknownst to me at that time was Donald Trump. Put his hands up my skirt. He did touch my vagina through my underwear. Absolutely.
I pushed the hand away and I've got up and I turned around. And I see these eyebrows. Very distinct eyebrows of Donald Trump. And I got up and I moved and I continued to talk with my friends. And they said, oh, that's Donald Trump, I was like, eww, he's gross. He just put his hand up my skirt.
SCHNEIDER: CNN has not verified either of these claims. The Trump campaign responding to Kristin Anderson's allegations with this. "This is a total fabrication. It did not happen. It is illogical and nonsensical to think Donald Trump was alone in a nightclub in Manhattan and that the alleged incident and recognition of Mr. Trump went unnoticed by both the woman involved and anyone else in this crowded venue."
SCHNEIDER: Now, both of these women claim that they told their friends in the minutes and hours following these alleged attack. As for Summer Zervos she says she contacted her parents. I got in touch with her father tonight but he told me by phone he couldn't talk about this. Now, as for Summer Zervos, she said that she is a Republican and the reason she came forward Erin is so she can sleep at night.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Jessica.
And I want to go Jim Acosta because he is at the Trump rally right now in Charlotte, North Carolina. And Jim, Trump, you know, vehemently denying the accusations and, you know, even commenting on the looks of one of the women making them saying he wouldn't even go for her. Do you expect more of this from him tonight?
JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I think that is the big question at this hour, Erin. I can tell you that in just the last few moments they brought out women supporters for Donald Trump on the stage behind me to warm up these crowd, followed by a reverend who was holding up a bible and asking the crowd here to receive Donald Trump the way he says he received Donald Trump, almost trying to inoculate the GOP nominee against some of these damaging stories that have come out in the last several days.
Donald trump himself said earlier today, he was at a rally in Greensboro, North Carolina, saying that this is a rigged election. That he's the victim of a rigged election that is being put in jeopardy because of lies that he said are being spread by the media. But I can tell you Erin, all day long the Trump campaign was promising to push back on these revelations by putting out material to us in the news media. All they really have done all day long is release statements from Donald Trump, statements from spokespeople saying that these stories from these women are not true.
And I can tell you, and it is starting to have an effect on the officials who are working in these battleground states. I talked to a top official in a battleground state earlier today who said that they think there is just going to be one of these scandals coming out every day and that they are just resigned to the fact that this is the life that they will be living for the next month or so before this campaign is over. In the words of this one official I talked to earlier today, he's just ready for it to end -- Erin.
BURNETT: Yes. All right. Thank you very much, Jim Acosta. Well, you know, that's a very substantive issue. You are talking about more than half of the people in this country who are female.
OUTFRONT now. Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah. She says Trump kissed her on the lips the first time she met him at the Miss USA pageant, that was in 1997 and then again in his office at Trump Tower. She was 21-years-old. He was married to Marla Maples at the time. Of course Trump calls the accusations by multiple women against him part of a concerted coordinated and vicious attacks in his words. He says it is the Clinton campaign working with the media.
Temple, thank you so much for talking to me. I know this is not easy for anyone to do to come out and disrupt your life by talking about this. First of all, what happened? TEMPLE TAGGART, MISS UTAH 1997, ACCUSES TRUMP OF INAPPROPRIATE
KISSING: Basically, I mean, at first we were -- it was during the rehearsal at the Miss USA competition that year and he had walked in and my dad had seen him. And he just introduced himself and introduced me. And the first time it was just like a kind of a quick hug and a kiss on the lips and I was shocked. Just because I was like, what was that? I had never had anybody greet me like that. And I just almost wanted to wipe my mouth just because I felt awkward and kind of embarrassed and I just kind of excused it, maybe that is how people in the East Coast greet each other. I was very naive and young at the time.
BURNETT: And it was in a public place. Your father saw this happen.
TAGGART: I mean, it was just at the rehearsal. So, I mean, there were a few parents around but it was mostly contestants there and people on the production team.
BURNETT: So, then you had a chance again to meet him again at Trump Tower.
TAGGART: I did.
BURNETT: And this time it was similar but also different so what happened then?
TAGGART: It was different but it was similar. Yes, I -- we were -- I was there with two chaperons. He had invited me out there. He said he was going to introduce me to Ford and Elite modeling agencies and he told my sponsor that I had a huge career ahead of me and a great look. And so I was excited to go out there and see what I could do. So I went out there, sat outside, his receptionist called him back and when he came out to greet me, he gave me another embrace and a kiss.
It was a little different this time. It felt like a little bit more to me. So I felt awkward and I just remembered in my mind going what does he think this is. Like, I'm thinking he's married. This is awkward for me. He's much older. This is not at all what I came here for. So to me it was like I hope he knows that I'm here for business. I'm not here for anything other than business.
[19:10:38] BURNETT: And it did impact you.
TAGGART: It did, yes. At that time for sure it did. Because I was young and it was just different. And instead of staying there for the several weeks that I was supposed to stay there and finish all the things that he had set up for me, I felt awkward where I think it was just after the first week, I just thought I can't do this. And I got myself my own plane ticket and I flew myself home.
BURNETT: I mean, that says a lot about how it made you feel.
BURNETT: Trump has responded to your claims. And I just want to read for you what he said. He gave a statement to NBC News and he said talking about you specifically Temple. "I don't even know who she is. She claims this took place in a public area. I never kissed her. I emphatically deny this ridiculous claim." How do you respond to that?
TAGGART: Well it -- it's crazy. I mean, because back in May when the "New York Times" first came out, originally he tried to deny all --
BURNETT: They published a story mentioning your name and the kiss at the pageant. Yes.
TAGGART: And that was something I didn't even think I would be put in. I did not think anybody would care about this kiss. I actually had something else I was talking about that he had spoken to me about in his office and that is what I brought up. But I just brought up the fact that he kissed me when he met me and it got put in the article and next thing I know he's denying all the allegations. And I kept quiet. Because I thought, oh my gosh, I just wanted this to go away. I don't want this attention. I went into hiding, ignore all the media.
And within a few weeks, I noticed that the Daily Mail had posted an article of him saying, oh, I do remember Miss Utah. She was a nice girl. She was with her parents. I met her before the pageant. He acted like there was an audience there, that's what he talks about. And he was like, she gave me a hug and I gave her a kiss on the cheek. And I would never hug somebody of his stature and his celebrity status.
I would just never go up to a man and do that. You know I might do that to a friend of mine that I know or like my best friend, her husband. I love them. And so he'll come up and give me a sideways hug. That's it. Sideways hug. Not a hug and a direct kiss on the face. So yes, I mean, so when I hear that and then I hear him say he doesn't even know me --
BURNETT: Now he's saying, he doesn't even know you. But you're saying months ago, he's quoted saying, you were a nice girl and he knew you and giving circumstances of what happened.
BURNETT: So completely different.
TAGGART: Yes. He just flip-flop, for sure.
BURNETT: So, when your story first appeared in May, I guess the big question is because, you know everyone -- the big question people have is, okay, why are people speaking out now. And obviously now there was the "Access Hollywood" tape but you actually did speak out in May. But that's still obviously a long time after this happened. What made you decide to tell part of your story for the first time then?
TAGGART: Well, I had excused it. I had been through a lot worse with guys since then. And so to me that kind of became nothing after a while to me. But when he's a presidential candidate and he actually made a Twitter comment right before the caucus in March and he was making fun of Ted Cruz. And they were coming to Utah and he said, lying Ted Cruz. Mormons don't like liars. And I just thought, wow that's interesting because I had -- I had just a personal experience with Trump.
BURNETT: He had told you to lie about your age, right?
TAGGART: Right. Exactly. So when we went back to his office, he said he wanted me to lie about my age to make me look younger. And I was 21 at the time so that kind of confused me. Because I felt very young. And he just said, well, you know, if we say that you are younger like 17, it looks like you might have a longer modeling career for these agents. Whereas 21, I think he kind of felt like you are going to be a deadbeat soon. It's kind of, what it sounded like to me.
And then I told him, you know, if I have to lie to get a modeling -- because he's like you wouldn't lie to get a modeling contract and I just said, no, if I have to lie it's just not worth to it me. And so, he did mock me. It didn't make me feel because I was very secure in what I believe at the time, in my morals and my values at the time but it made me lose instant respect for him. And you kind of look up to those people, I didn't know much about him before then. But you look up to somebody of that stature.
And so when he's mocking me for that, it made me go, how many other things does he feel he needs to lie about to get ahead in his life. And now he's, you know, he's potentially going to be the president of the United States, that's why it made me a little nervous and I just had spoken out on my -- I originally spoken out on my Facebook page and made a comment about that.
BURNETT: And you have been criticized. You have had people calling you up criticizing you. You know that there are other women who are now coming forward. When I said at the beginning it is not easy to come forward. It is not easy to come forward. It would have been so much easier for you to just say, you know, what, I don't need any part in this. I don't need to put my name and face on this. You actually chose to do it. How has it made you feel? What has it made you think about when you have been getting some of the hateful comments you've been getting?
[19:15:07] TAGGART: I mean, it's hard only because -- you -- you look at people that reach out to a complete stranger and say these awful things about me when they know nothing about me or nothing about the truth. And they also don't know how things can kind of twist in the media. But it made me think of the other victims that have had more happen than just a kiss like what I've had. And it makes me sick for them. Because I just think if they are receiving such hateful, hurtful words. How is that going to affect them? And it makes me think of other women of sexual assaults and how obviously they wouldn't want to come forward.
When they see people like me or these other women being ridiculed and made fun of and told us that we're doing this for money when I have not done this for a single thing and it is really offensive. And in fact, even though those comments are hurtful, I've actually responded to a couple of them and I apologize, I said, I'm sorry you feel that way about me. I said, this is not at all what it seems to be to you. So, I'm sorry that you are looking at me with these hateful ways and I forgave them. But I -- I don't know. It just -- it almost fires me up to want to speak out more.
Because I just think, you know what, if I have the opportunity to talk about this now, maybe I can be an influence for somebody else to help them be powerful. To help them be strong and come forward and speak out. With whatever situation they have gone through in their life. Because this type of behavior is not acceptable. And even though it was a kiss when I was 21 and some people are like well, that is not a big deal. You know, the first time it was in front of your dad. The second time it was in front of chaperons. It was a big deal to me at that time. It actually made me kind of scared to stay there and even to pursue that industry.
BURNETT: You went home. You didn't even pursue that industry.
TAGGART: I went home.
BURNETT: It could have been something that was very transformative in your life. I mean, that's significant. When you talk about for others, you have a young daughter.
TAGGART: I do.
BURNETT: About 18 months old.
BURNETT: Is she part of this, part of why?
TAGGART: Definitely when I gave the interview for NBC the other day. I broke down. I couldn't even control that. I hate crying on camera. And I broke down. Because you look at -- and I have two boys as well. But it is different when you have a little girl. And I've been through so many things with men. And I felt like, yes, they've hurt me but I'm stronger for the things that I have gone through. Because I've chosen to not be a victim, I've chosen to just stand up and be strong.
And I look at my little daughter and sending her out there and you want to protect your little children from having to go through the same things that you've been through. But it breaks your heart thinking there's men out there that think this way. You know, especially a potential president of the United States that you want your children to look up to. And that is what just really frightening. Is this really what we're putting out there for our kids? Is this the type of example that we want for our children and to show that this is acceptable behavior?
BURNETT: And before we go, Temple. Just to be clear. Since Trump is saying this is as a conspiracy between the media and the Clinton campaign. You are a Republican.
TAGGART: I'm a Republican.
BURNETT: You are not doing this for the Clinton campaign.
TAGGART: Not one bit. No.
BURNETT: You are not even voting for either one of them.
TAGGART: I am not. Actually when he got voted in as the nominee, I stopped watching the election. I haven't watched it since. And so when my phone started blowing up again, I had no idea why. And my sister is the one that actually sent me the article thing. This is what he said, oh my gosh, nobody can say that you made this up. And it does helps me to feel so much better. I just going, OK, there is a little bit of stuff to back it up. And then obviously these other women coming forward. I'm just glad that things are being brought to the spotlight. Because this is a big issue for women that needs to be looked at.
BURNETT: It certainly is. And thank you for very for coming on and talking about it.
TAGGART: Thank you.
BURNETT: We really appreciate it. Thank you.
TAGGART: I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you.
BURNETT: Thank you for talking to me. And Donald Trump is speaking now in North Carolina amid the new allegations tonight. Next Trump in his own words.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: She's probably deeply troubled and therefor great in bed.
HOWARD STERN, HOST, "THE HOWARD STERN SHOW": Back in the day --
TRUMP: How come they deeply troubled women --
TRUMP: You know, deeply, deeply troubled.
TRUMP: They're always the best in bed?
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BURNETT: Plus, was Donald Trump trashing Hillary Clinton's looks today?
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TRUMP: She walks in front of me. You know. And when she walked in front of me, believe me I wasn't impressed. But she walks in front of me. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: And the producer of the "Apprentice," the creator of the whole thing says, he can't release the tap. Why is Mark Burnett holding back?
[19:22:37] BURNETT: The breaking news. Donald Trump about to take the stage as you can see on this stage right now in North Carolina. In Charlotte. We're standing by to see if he comments further on the latest assault accusations. Just moments ago, I spoke to Temple Taggart, Miss Utah in 1997. She had this to say about one of her experiences with Trump when she was only 21 years old.
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TAGGART: He came out to greet me, he gave me another embrace and a kiss. It was a little different this time. It kind of felt like a little bit more to me. So I felt awkward and I just remembered in my mind going what does he think this is. Like, I'm thinking he's married. This is awkward for me. He's much older. This is not at all what I came here for. So to me it was like I hope he knows that I'm here for business. And it was just different. And instead of staying there for the several weeks that I was supposed to stay there and finish all the things that he has set up for me, I felt awkward. Where I think it was just after the first week, I just thought I can't do this. And I got myself my own plane ticket and I flew myself home.
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BURNETT: OUTFRONT now, Kayleigh McEnany, a Donald Trump supporter. Maria Cardona, she currently does work for a pro-Clinton Super PAC. And David Gergen, a former presidential advisor to four presidents and Maggie Haberman, presidential campaign correspondent for the "New York Times."
Kayleigh, let me give you a chance to respond to that. That was a pretty powerful thing that she said. You know, she said that this changed the trajectory of where her life may have gone. That it may seem to some these were kisses. But to her it was much more. It was clearly a violation.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Look, as I've said repeatedly and as I say anytime we do segments on this, which is often now, I think every person who has an accusation should come forward. Likewise, we have to give Donald Trump the same respect. Anyone accused of something should come forward. And I'm sure he would say that he would never do something inappropriate in front of her father. I think that is just common sense in public in front of other people.
Second, I think this is a very big lesson. Because I sat here 48 hours ago and I said these claims are not litigated on TV sets, they are litigated in a court of law. And what we found the "New York Post," everyone will go look, the woman who was on Anderson Cooper last night said that there was a man sitting across the aisle. Well, that man has come forward. His name is Anthony Gilbator (ph), he said it was not at all how the woman portrayed it. He said in fact when Donald Trump went to the bathroom -- in fact when Donald Trump went to the bathroom, the woman said to him, I am -- I want to marry Donald Trump.
I hope I get to marry Donald Trump one day. There are two sides to every story. And I think that we need go back to journalism with integrity where we vet stories before we put them out. Because I think the "New York Times" did not vet that story appropriately. Back in the Paula Jones days, you waited months, there were debates in newsrooms over whether and when that story came out. Now everything comes out regardless of what --
BURNETT: Okay. Just to be clear here, the man says he has no evidence to back up that claim.
MCENANY: She has no evidence too. It is he said, she said.
BURNETT: Right. And that is what all sexual assault cases are.
MCENANY: But his story deserves to be heard too. We can't bury the story of the accused. Donald Trump is the accused. He has some witness. This woman does not have a witness. If anything Donald Trump's claim is stronger. We have to air both. That is only fair. This man is a father and he deserves the same respect.
BURNETT: So, let me just play something that Donald Trump said today about his accusers, all right? For all of you to hear. Let me just play them.
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TRUMP: They figured they can slow it down to come up with people that are willing to, say, oh I was with Donald in 1980. I was sitting with him on an airplane.
And he went after me on the plane. Yes, I'm going to go after you. Believe me, she would not be my first choice. That I can tell you.
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MARIA CARDONA, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: That's just -- that to me underscores that this is a man who does not even understand what sexual assault is. Sexual assault is a man who is saying, I am powerful, I am dominate over you and you can't do anything about it. You are weak, you are a woman, you are there so that I can use and abuse you and then push you aside whenever I feel like it. That is what sexual assault is. That is what a sexual predator does. And Kayleigh, I'm sorry, if it was just one or two or maybe three or four women, I would say, yes, you know, maybe their stories can be questioned. It is eleven women now. It is eleven women.
When there is a breaking point? And not only that, but I know that Trump supporters in the Trump campaign, they are questioning the timing. Well let me tell you about the timing. Yes, it has everything to do with the fact that there is a presidential election in 25 days, and these are women who have been victims of the sexual predator of this degenerate man and they want to make sure that everybody understands the choice at hand and that choice should not be --
MCENANY: Maria --
CARDONA: Hang on a second. That that choice should not be somebody who better belongs on the national registry.
MCENANY: Maria, I know that you want to be judge, jury and executioner, but thank goodness we live in the United States of America where there is --
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MCENANY: And litigating these claims right here is irresponsible --
CARDONA: We're not litigating it here. We're discussing it here.
CARDONA: We're discussing it here, Kayleigh. We're discussing it here because this is something that the American people deserve --
MCENANY: The American people deserve to hear about the issues. The American people don't deserve national inquiry journalism. They deserve the issues.
CARDONA: A man who is asking us for a vote to be commander-in-chief if he's demeaned women publicly, that is not something that --
MCENANY: Are you talking about Bill Clinton?
BURNETT: OK. OK.
CARDONA: No, I'm talking about Donald Trump who has demeaned women on Howard Stern repeatedly and who now has eleven accusers that say he has sexually assaulted them.
BURNETT: OK. I want to bring in Maggie but first of all, I do just want to give a little bit more information on the man that you are talking about Kayleigh, just so everyone has some full information. He -- his name is Gilbert Thorpe. He's 54 years old. Which would have meant he was what 18, or 19 in flying first class. He's British. He's not American. Domestic flight. I am not saying he didn't. I am just saying, these are question about him. He made headlines in 2014. Yet, he went public with a claim that he's 17-year-old, he procured voice for sex parties with high ranking British politicians.
MCENANY: But this why they should be litigated in a court of law because the defense attorney would take character evidence and admissible.
MCENANY: You know, this is why these claims should not be litigated here and the American people deserve better. They deserve to hear about the debt, they deserve to hear about ISIS.
BURNETT: Maggie --
CARDONA: The American people deserves to know what kind of man who is asking for their vote.
BURNETT: Maggie, we just heard Donald Trump in the sound bite I just played say, even a simple investigation would have shown these allegations against me in just about all cases is nonsense. It is false. Is that him admitting to some of the cases are true? That is what it sounds like?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK TIMES: I can't fully parse what his meaning is. I mean, he's been pretty emphatic at various points that claims against him are false. He today said that there is a larger conspiracy between the media and between accusers to get him and that is his line that he's the victim of an unprecedented assault. You know, we've spoken to voters at his rally who have a seen it the way he has said it. Many of them have said that they don't believe that this is real.
They don't believe the accusers. I think we have not yet seen sort of fuller public polling of what the last weeks means. It might not end up meaning anything. He clearly has a very ardent support base, but we are -- we are in uncharted territory in the final three and a half weeks of a presidential election. Given what we are discussing right now.
BURNETT: And David Gergen, when Trump spoke today about Jessica Leeds, the women that Kayleigh was just referring to. Here is how he dismissed her claims. Let me just play it for you.
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TRUMP: The only way they figure they can slow it down is to come up with people that are willing to say, oh I was with Donald Trump in 1980.
[19:30:08] I was sitting with him on an airplane. And he went after me on the plane.
Yes, I'm going to go after you. Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you.
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BURNETT: "She would not be my first choice". David, that's what Donald Trump said. Obviously, the pretty clear implication is, he's talking about for whatever reason her appearance. Her looks at the time.
What do you make of that response and how it will play?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, Donald Trump would have us believe that he's a changed man, that he no longer demeans women, and that he goes on the air about this woman who's come forward and demeans her. Just as he demeaned Hillary Clinton about walking in front of him and he wasn't impressed by what he saw, which was clearly open to the interpretation he was talking about her looks.
And the problem with Kayleigh's argument is that Donald Trump himself has said that we have the tape that he did all these things and what Kayleigh would ask us do is to disbelieve him. That he wasn't honest when he was talking to his friend. And then she would have us disbelieve 11 different women.
You know, that -- at some point, people have to make up their own minds about what common sense says. And, yes, we're not going to litigate this in a court of law. We are going to litigate in the court of public opinion. That's what presidential campaigns are about, people forming opinions about the character, the quality and the judgment of someone who is nominated to be president.
That's why we have campaigns. And this has come forward and people can take it up. Some people don't want to believe that, don't want to believe that he was telling the truth when he was with his friends. Don't believe any of these 11 women. Don't believe there was a conspiracy.
I think many Americans are going to reach a difference conclusion.
BURNETT: All right. All of you, please stay with me, because tonight, the White House is not letting up on Donald Trump. A day after a scathing speech from Michelle Obama, President Obama and Vice President Biden made it a three-pronged attack, all taking Trump to task for the women issue.
Jeff Zeleny is OUTFRONT.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hello, Seattle.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight, Hillary Clinton seizing on Donald Trump's latest accusations of sexual assault.
CLINTON: Tonight, the whole world has heard how Donald Trump brags about mistreating women. And the disturbing stories keep coming.
ZELENY: A she hits the West Coast for one final fundraising push, she's outsourcing her fight in battleground states to two presidents.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Donald Trump's closing argument is what do you have to lose? The answer is everything.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: I simply do not believe the bleak picture of our future that Hillary's opponent has painted.
ZELENY: President Obama and former President Clinton both blanketing Ohio today, part of an all-out push from Democrats to keep Trump from rising out of his downward spiral. But it is the speech from Michelle Obama that's still reverberating. MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: This isn't about politics. It is
about basic human decency.
ZELENY: Secretary Clinton highlighting it again tonight at a fundraiser in Seattle.
CLINTON: As our extraordinary first lady and my friend Michelle Obama said so powerfully --
When they go low, we go high.
ZELENY: The Clinton campaign believes Mrs. Obama makes the strongest and most authentic case against Trump. They have turned her speech into this campaign video.
MICHELLE OBAMA: It's shaken me to my core in a way that I couldn't have predicted.
ZELENY: As she looks ahead to her final debate with Trump next week, Clinton appeared on Ellen today, still talking about her last encounter.
CLINTON: And so, he was trying to dominate and then literally stalk me around the stage. And I would just feel this presence behind me.
You know, I thought, whoa, this is really weird.
ELLEN DEGENERES, TV HOST: Yeah.
CLINTON: And so I was just trying to stay focused --
ZELENY: In North Carolina today, Trump put it this way.
TRUMP: I'm standing at my podium. And she walks in front of me, right? She walks in front of me. You know? And when she walked in front of me, believe me I wasn't impressed. But she walks in front of me.
ZELENY: And even at Clinton's path to 270 electoral votes is widening and she leads nationally, the race is deadlocked in Ohio. Trump 42, Clinton 41, according to an NBC News/"Wall Street Journal" poll. President Obama who carried Ohio twice spent two days in the state.
He had a message for skeptical liberals.
OBAMA: If you felt the Bern in the primaries, you need to vote.
ZELENY: And the Republicans who are abandoning Trump.
OBAMA: All that vile, all the exaggeration, all the stuff that was not grounded in fact just kind of bubbled up, started surfacing. They know better, a lot of these folks who ran, and they didn't say anything.
ZELENY: Now, just a short time ago in Seattle, she dropped by a campaign field office, Erin, and she said that she takes no satisfaction in any of this that is going on on the other side. She acknowledged that divisions are getting deeper in this electorate here. And she seemed to be more forward looking than before. She said, our job does not end on Election Day -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jeff, thank you very much.
My panel is back with me.
Kayleigh, Donald Trump talked about Hillary Clinton walking in front of him. Believe me I was not impressed. Does that cross the line?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think that that was talking about her looks at all. In fact, Donald Trump just yesterday said look the reason it looked like I was stalking Hillary Clinton is because she walked in front of me. So I think it was harkening back to that comment and the fact that Hillary Clinton campaign going back to the days of the Rick Lazio have used what I call frankly the woman card, calling Rick Lazio menacing during that debate, calling Donald Trump a stalker in this debate.
I think she was referring to the sexism game she plays and the game she's playing right now to distract from the issues. So sad for the American people. We should be talking about ISIS, but instead we talk about Hillary Clinton stalking and sex scandals.
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Who's talking about that, Kayleigh? Your candidate.
MCENANY: The Hillary Clinton campaign. The Hillary Clinton campaign.
CARDONA: Your candidate at each and every rally seems to want to litigate in the court of public's opinion --
CARDONA: I didn't interrupt you to don't interrupt me. Every single time that Donald Trump has been in front of the public where he could bring up ISIS, where he could bring up real issues, he tries to then demean and degrade the women who are coming out as his accusers. And it's just really rich to me when you have the Trump supporters who say the Bill Clinton's accusers should be heard. They should be heard. People trying to -- they should be herd.
CARDONA: When it comes to Trump's accusers, oh no. This can't be litigated in the court of public opinion. This needs to be in the court. First of all, Bill Clinton is not on the ballot.
MCENANY: Of course not. CARDONA: Secondly, what we need to focus on is -- are the issues.
And guess what? The way that a potential president treats 53 percent of the electorate as inferior, as subhuman is a huge issue.
MCENANY: None of us wants to relitigate Bill Clinton's sexual past. Trust me. What we're talking about is Hillary's actions towards these women.
CARDONA: And none of that has been proven. That is an accusation --
MCENANY: There's a deposition. There's actually a court document.
CARDONA: So, if you believe your own words where we need the litigate in in the court of law --
MCENANY: There's a deposition.
CARDONA: But you can't bring it up anymore.
MCENANY: Yes, I can.
CARDONA: Because it should in the court of law and not public opinion.
BURNETT: Let me just ask you, though, there was a poll out today in New Hampshire that actually showed the gap narrowing in favor of Trump. There are others who have shown the opposite, and many more of them.
But I guess the big question is, how much do the undecided voters in this country, how much are they listening to this debate? How much this possibly going to change their minds? Or is this something that Donald Trump will be able to pass through?
It sounds like David cannot hear me. Can you hear me, David?
GERGEN: Yes. I can hear. Was that directed at me? I'm sorry.
BURNETT: Yes, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
GERGEN: Erin, I'm sorry.
Listen, I think there is a group within the Trump base. Most of the base is clearly very strongly for him, and may be even growing in some places. But I do think this pattern is going to trouble evangelicals, this whole dispute will trouble evangelicals. And some of them may break away.
But I think the larger issue is that he has recast his campaign and directing almost entirely at his base. And has been said repeatedly on CNN over the last few days, the base is not enough to elect him. He has to bring in new voters. He has to bring in women, college- educated women in the suburbs of the Philadelphia.
And these kind -- for example. And these kind of arguments are only going depress that vote. They are not going to come over on this basis and they are very much more likely to vote for Hillary Clinton. So, I think he's got himself caught in a dilemma.
To go to Kayleigh's point. Listen, I think there are things that are legitimate conversations. I do think it is legitimate to ask questions about Hillary and her role with regard to the women in the past. I think that is fair game. I think there are things in these e-mails that have come out that are fair game.
But as long as Trump keeps up this pattern of speaking in the wild terms that are so news worthy, he's drowning out any other conversation, to be honest with you.
BURNETT: Very quick final word, Maggie.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think David is exactly right. I mean, Trump is at this point sort of foregoing trying to grow his base at all and trying to add voters at the moment. He seems to be subtracting voters and there are issues that he could be talking about in the WikiLeaks e-mails. Other issues related to Hillary Clinton. He's not focusing on that.
Every time he talks about women and sort of matters of personal grievance, it just keeps the focus back on him.
[19:40:04] BURNETT: All right. Thank you all.
And next, a former "Apprentice" contestant says Donald Trump caught her off guard with a kiss, but she's still supporting him for president.
And Donald Trump on "The Apprentice".
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TRUMP: You dropped to your knees. It must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees.
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BURNETT: Is there more explosive material we have not yet seen on the cutting room floor?
BURNETT: Breaking news: Donald Trump right now speaking to supporters in North Carolina, fighting back hard against the growing number of charges of sexual assault by women across the country. Trump calling these women in his words horrible liars. But not every woman is claiming to have had the same effect from this experience.
OUTFRONT now, Jennifer Murphy. She's a former "Apprentice" contestant and she is supporting Donald Trump. Jennifer, thank you very much for coming on. First of all, I wanted
to get a chance to hear your story. How did you meet Donald Trump?
JENNIFER MURPHY, EX-"APPRENTICE" CONTESTANT SAYS TRUMP KISSED HER: Sure. Well, I'm thrilled to share my support for Donald Trump, for Donald Trump for his run for president. I met him at Miss USA when I was Miss Oregon.
[19:45:01] I was late to get on stage, I was backstage, I was running barefoot, carrying my shoes and I ran right into him. And I said, oh, sorry, Mr. Trump, and he goes, well, who are you? I said, I'm Miss Oregon but I'm late for a pageant, I got to run.
And so, he stood there laughing with the security guard who thought it was pretty funny. I met him after the pageant ended, I had made top ten but I didn't win. And he came straight up to me on stage, right when the pageant ended, and he said, Jennifer, I thought you did great. You would have been my pick but I can't get involved with the judging. I own the pageant.
I said, well, you know, I'm kind of okay with the fact that I didn't win. I'm a businesswoman and I love "The Apprentice" and I would love to get on the show." So, he handed me a business card. I proceeded to have a blond moment, lost his card and had to try out with everyone else through the regular rounds of competition.
BURNETT: All right. So, you then got on "The Apprentice." And then you had an interview. And one of these moments is when the kiss happened. Can you tell us exactly happened?
MURPHY: Well, a lot happened before that took place. I've known Donald Trump for a long time. I made it through over 1.2 million candidates to get unto the last 100 finalists to potentially get on the show. I was down to about 25 finalists and Donald Trump stood up for me to Mark Burnett. Mark Burnett was going eliminate.
And he said, you know what, yes, she's beautiful. She's a beauty question, but she's very smart. Congratulations, she's on the show.
And Donald Trump really stood up for me at that moment in time. I think that says a lot for him, for his character. And he saw my business brain and my -- all of my accomplishment, and that right there told me a lot about him as a person. As I competed on the show, he definitely showed his affection towards me as a person. And he was very positive.
MURPHY: And just, you know, I really liked how he was.
BURNETT: I understand that. To interrupt you, I want to make sure. I understand that and you made your feelings for him clear. And I know you do support him for president.
But can you tell us, the kiss itself happened at Trump Tower at some point? MURPHY: You know, so this is something that frustrates me about the
media and journalism. I mentioned at one point yes he kissed me on the lips but that is what they want to focus on.
It was a small kiss. It was after he had fired me on "The Apprentice." He called me the next day and said, "I still want to give you an opportunity to work with me. I was very impressed with you."
So, after several meetings and getting to know him more, he walked me to the elevator at one point and he did reach in and give me a little kiss. And I was a little surprised but I wasn't offended. And I could have turned away.
And I really think that we need to take these incidents into account and make sure that we don't let the media spin anything out of control and put words in our mouth. And that is why I'm excited for the opportunity to speak from my heart and talk about the incident. They are calling it the incident and Jennifer Murphy speaks out.
You know, I gave an hour-long interview with a journalist. And all accolades and talking about how Donald Trump empowered me. And they asked if he had ever kissed me or attempted to I said well yes once he gave me a kiss. All of a sudden, that's in the headline.
That is something I don't like.
BURNETT: Which I understand which is why we wanted to put you on so you could tell your story, Jennifer, and have everyone respect that you feel differently than many others.
MURPHY: I appreciate that, Erin. Thank you.
BURNETT: But I do ask one question, because there are now eleven women who have come forward. And it is simply this. Do you believe them all?
MURPHY: I can only speak for my own personal experience. So, I really -- I know that I've been falsely accused in my life. I'm out in public. I'm a YouTube star. I recently was accused of being a racist because I did a funny ninja Asian accent in a funny song and they pigeon-holed me as a racist, one isolated incident.
So, I know that we have to be careful and we have to take everything into consideration and we can't jump to conclusions. So, I really can't speak to that.
I just -- I want to warn people be cautious with jumping to conclusions. Here is a man that is accomplished so much. He's an incredible leader. Look at his children. He's an incredible father.
I think he would really turn our country back around. And now all of these things are coming out last minute, and trying to distract us from the really important issues at hand. And I think we need to take note of that.
BURNETT: All right. Well, I appreciate your taking the time. Thank you for coming out front.
MURPHY: Thank you. Thank you very having me, Erin.
BURNETT: And next, more calls for the creator of "The Apprentice" to release more tapes of Donald Trump. Will he?
[19:53:32] BURNETT: Tonight, the creator of "The Apprentice", the man who made Donald Trump a television star, says he can't release raw footage from the hit show, you know, things that were said off camera, like the Billy Bush incident. Some say those tapes could be much more embarrassing than that lewd tape released a week ago.
So, why won't Mark Burnett released them in the public interest?
Brian Stelter is OUTFRONT.
TRUMP: You're fired.
You're all fired.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Inside "The Apprentice" boardroom, Donald Trump had all the power. Now, Mark Burnett, the reality TV guru who created the show could hold Trump's fate in his hands.
Rumors are swirling that outtakes from "The Apprentice" are even more explosive than this bombshell "Access Hollywood" tape.
TRUMP: And when you're star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
STELTER: And could make this casual sexist remark seem like nothing.
TRUMP: It must be a pretty picture you dropping to your knees.
STELTER: But "The Apprentice" raw footage is inaccessible. NBC, which aired the show, says Burnett has it. Burnett says he cannot legally share it. And the production company MGM also says it is restricted from releasing the material.
This is contractual and common in Hollywood.
British-born Burnett is one of the biggest producers in town and has been friends with Trump for years.
MARK BURNETT, "APPRENTICE" CREATOR: My first thoughts ever about Donald Trump, I was selling t-shirts on Venice Beach reading this book "The Art of the Deal" by Donald Trump.
STELTER: He wasn't selling t-shirts for long. His participation in that French adventure competition gave him the idea for "Survivor."
[19:55:03] The show was a hit, giving birth to a new genre. "The Voice" and "Shark Tank" are among his other money makers.
In 2004, Burnett catapulted Trump to TV stardom.
TRUMP: Generally, Mark wants me to do exactly what I want to do and he's an incredible guy and a good guy. A really good guy.
STELTER: When Trump got married in 2005 --
BURNETT: My son Cameron was the ring bearer of the wedding of the Donald and Melania. That's close we are.
STELTER: Burnett is also deeply religious. In 2013, he and his wife, actress Roma Downey, produced "The Bible" mini series.
BURNETT: It's a calling.
STELTER: Faith could be one reason Burnett denies a report calling him pro-Trump saying, "My wife and I reject the hatred, division and misogyny that's been a very unfortunate part of his campaign."
But what about a misogyny that might been left on the cutting room floor?
This "A.P." reporter tells me she interviewed 20 former "Apprentice" staff members who say Trump used uncomfortable sexist language behind the scenes.
GARANCE BURKE, AP REPORTER: Including talking openly about which female contestants he wanted to have sex with.
STELTER: Now, there's speculation and concern that someone might defy MGM and leak new tapes.
STELTER: Now, the pressure on Burnett is not subsiding. Many investigative journalists are trying to obtain "Apprentice" videos and transcripts. And this week, a liberal advocacy group even rented a plane in Hollywood, flew over the NBC and MGM offices with a banner that said "release the tapes" -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Of course, it is no laughing matter.
Thank you very much, Brian.
And we'll be right back.
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