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Anti-Trump Protests for Third Night; Trump Considers Keeping Parts of Obamacare; Trump Shakes Up Transition Team, Puts Pence in Charge; Muslim Voter on Why She Voted For Trump; Clinton to Volunteers: "These Have Been Very, Very Tough Days"; How Doable Is Trump's To-Do-List?; Clinton Aides Blame Comey, Press Corps for Contributing To Loss; What Pres. Trump Can and Can't Likely Get Done. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired November 11, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:01:52] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for joining us for the second hour of "360".
As protesters take to the street for a third night in opposition to President-elect Trump. He's given his first television interview. Here's a clip that's just been released from his interview with Lesley Stahl which is going to air on "60 Minutes" this Sunday.
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LESLEY STAHL, REPORTER 60 MINUTES: Let me ask you about Obamacare, which you say you're going to repeal and replace. When you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still coming?
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF UNITED STATES.: Yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest asset.
STAHL: You're going to keep that?
TRUMP: Also with the children living with their parents for an extended period, we're going to ...
STAHL: You're going to keep that?
TRUMP: ... very much try and keep that. It adds cost, but it's very much something we're going to try to keep.
STAHL: And there's going to be a period, if you repeal it, and before you replace it, when millions of people could lose ...
TRUMP: We're going to do it simultaneously. It will be just fine. That's what I do. I do a good job. You know, I mean, I know how to do this stuff. We're going to repeal it and then replace it. And we're not going to have like a two-day period, and we're not going to have a two-year period where there's nothing. It will be repealed and replaced and we'll know. And it will be great health care for much less money. STAHL: Hillary called you. Tell us about that phone call.
TRUMP: So, Hillary called and it was a lovely call. And it was a tough call for her. I mean, I can imagine. Tougher for her than it would have been for me and in for me it would have very, very difficult. She couldn't have been nicer. She just said, congratulations, Donald, well done. And I said, I want to thank you very much. You were a great competitor. She's very strong and very smart.
STAHL: What about Bill Clinton? Did you talk to him?
TRUMP: He did. He called the next day.
STAHL: Really? What did he say?
TRUMP: He actually called last night.
STAHL: What did he say?
TRUMP: And he could have been more gracious. He said it was an amazing run. One of the most amazing he's ever seen.
STAHL: He said that?
TRUMP: He was very, very, really very nice.
STAHL: You know, you said that you might call President Obama for advice. Would you think of calling President Clinton for advice?
TRUMP: Well, he's a very talented guy, both of them. I mean, this is a very talented family. Certainly I would certainly think about that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Well, that's one of the many developments today in President- elect Trump's emerging administration, including his transition team for all of that, let's go to our Jim Acosta in Washington. First of all, this Obamacare news, a bit of a shift for a candidate who spent a lot of time saying just repeal and replace Obamacare. What do we know this idea of amending instead of repealing and replacing?
JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Right, Anderson, it's impossible to count the number of times Donald Trump promised to repeal Obamacare, to get rid of Obamacare, because he said it so many times out on campaign trail. So, this is a pretty interesting shift, we're going to have to find out just how far he's willing to go. It sounds like, Anderson, what he wants to do is allow people with pre- existing condition to keep their health insurance and not be discriminated against by the insurance companies.
But the problem with that, Anderson, is that if they do away with the insurance mandate, which requires people to buy health insurance, then you take away the funding mechanism that pays for all of those people to have health insurance, with pre-existing conditions. [21:05:05] And so, as they get into the nitty-gritty of governing, they're going to find out this is going to be difficult. And by the way, Anderson, you know, if Donald Trump is going to start backing away from repealing Obamacare, he's going to have a lot of trouble with people on the right here in Washington.
He's been talking about draining the swamp. He may find himself in the swamp with conservatives, if he backs off that campaign promise. It is one of the key promises from his presidential campaign.
COOPER: First decisions, he's got to make our staffing. What are your sources to telling about the transition team? Chris Christie's no longer running it, we know that.
ACOSTA: Right. Right. He's no longer running it. It's now the Vice President-elect, Mike Pence, who was the chair of the transition team. Chris Christie is not out. He is now a vice chair, but he's sharing that role with Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Ben Carson, Mike Flynn, the retired lieutenant general, and so on. So his role has been diminished. As a matter fact, the executive director of the transition team was also a Christie aide. That person is out. The new person who is now executive director of the transition team is in former aide to Senator Jeff Sessions who is one of those vice chairs.
But what was going on there, Anderson, a couple of things, one is the Bridgegate scandal which is still unfolding and there was a development in that case, a right before the election. So this eliminates that headache by moving Chris Christie into this more secondary role. The other thing that was happening inside the transition team, and it's very interesting, Christie was running into a lot of flock from people inside the transition who did not want to hire those never Trumpers, those anti-trump Republicans, who did not back Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, Chris Christie was making the argument that, hey, wait a minute, we've got to fill the government here. There are some Republicans in this town who are well worth hiring. And he was just running into a lot of resistance on that front.
I talked to a transition source earlier today who said, hey, wait a minute, I supported Donald Trump the whole way. Why should this never Trumper get my job? So it was getting complicated.
COOPER: All right Jim Acosta. Jim, thanks. And perhaps the person who can make the most impact in a Trump presidency, other than Trump himself is the chief of staff, the two men who are said to be leading contenders are RNC Chair Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon, who ran the website breitbart.com before coming a blow with Trump.
Dana Bash tonight has more.
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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: On election night, the person Donald Trump praised more than anyone else was Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus. TRUMP.: I'll tell you, Reince is really a star. And he is the hardest working guy. And in a certain way, I did this, Reince, come up here. Where is Reince? Get over here, Reince. Boy oh, boy oh, boy. It's about time you did this, Reince.
BASH: Even surrendering his victory speech microphone to Priebus.
TRUMP: Amazing guy. Our partnership with the RNC was so important to the success and what we've done.
BASH: It is true that the RNC had more influence over Trump's campaign than any in recent history. Priebus started to build ground operations in voter files in key states, three years ago, which Trump used and benefited from big time.
REINCE PRIEBUS, CHAIRMAN RNC: We spent the last four years building a nationwide ground game.
BASH: In the last few months of Trump's campaign, Priebus personally played an outsized role, from helping lead debate prep, to traveling extensively to help keep Trump focused and disciplined.
PRIEBUS: But we're so honored to be working with Donald Trump.
BASH: Those pushing for Priebus, say he's the ideal chief of staff for several reasons. He can organize the White House and be a good gatekeeper, crucial traits for that job. And they point to the relationships he has with Republicans, who run Capitol Hill, especially House Speaker Paul Ryan, a longtime close friend from Wisconsin. Priebus even brokered their first meeting this spring.
BASH: Do you feel like a couple therapists?
PRIEBUS: No, you know what; you wouldn't say that if you were in the room.
BASH: But those very bonds Priebus has with GOP leaders gives Trump pause. They didn't want Trump to be president. And though Priebus often acted as a go between during the campaign, which ultimately helped Trump, sources close to the president elect say, he isn't 100 percent sure Priebus is loyal.
PRIEBUS: And when you're a star, they let you do it.
BASH: Especially since as party chair, Priebus had to publicly criticize Trump more than once. When the "Access Hollywood" tape came out, he said, quote, no woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner, ever.
Another contender for chief of staff, Steve Bannon, was always a steadfast Trump loyalist. He came from Breitbart, a conservative publication that spends as much time attacking establishment Republicans as Democrats.
STEVE BANNON, FORMER HEAD BREITBART NEWS: What we need to do is bitch-slap the Republican Party and get those guys, you know, heeding too. And if we have to, we'll take it over.
BASH: Bannon became Trump's chief executive officer during the third campaign shake up and sources say immediately had the candidate's ear. In fact, Bannon too began traveling with Trump extensively in the winning weeks of the campaign. Although he sometimes fed Trump's worst instincts, sources say he also had enough credibility with the candidate to convince him not to send damaging tweets or retaliate against critics in a way that will distract from his core message.
[21:10:11] For that reason, even if Bannon is not chief staff, Trump sources state to expect in some capacity, he will be around a Trump White House.
Dana Bash, CNN, Washington.
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COOPER: And back with the panel. Joining us tonight, Jonathan Tasini, Christine Quinn, Maggie Haberman, Jeffrey Lord, and Andre Bauer.
Maggie, I mean both men obviously very different. They come from, sort of, different -- I don't know if it's wings, necessarily, of the Republican Party, but different sort of advantage points. How do you see each contributor?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, N.Y. TIMES PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT: So, again with the caveat that I don't know, that ultimately it will be one or the other like in someone who don't know entirely. It's a personal choice that something that didn't come up in the transition talks to date, that were held prior to the election.
Reince Priebus, as Dana said is, you know, an establishment guy. He's close to movement conservatives like Mike Pence, like Paul Ryan. That will set up, sort ofa certain wing of government that would be heavily involved in helping a president who's new to Washington figure things out.
COOPER: Which is something by the way, Trump always said he wanted from his vice president, which ...
COOPER: ... he's gotten with Mike Pence.
HABERMAN: Exactly. And look, Mike Pence turned out to be, I think, the perfect choice for him in a lot of ways. Pence was pushed very heavily by Paul Manafort and by a bunch of other people during the summer, that he was sort of, a lowest-key option. And you're saying why?
In terms of Steve Bannon, yes, Bannon, you know, has a connection to the Alt-Right movement. He is certainly a bomb throw or he's been a very vocal opponent on his website of Paul Ryan. But then and it was also much shrewder player then people realize he is much better at certain of knowing when to balance certain impulses against the others. Dana is right, but sometimes he said Trump's worst instincts. He was very good at sort of, managing Trump. And if he had a strong support structure underneath him in terms of management, I actually think that he would get more done than people realize. He would be opposed, I think, to making clear deals with the current Republican held Congress the leadership there but if there were changes, then I think that you would see him moving along.
COOPER: Jeffrey, you worked in the Reagan White House, why is Chief of Staff such a critical role?
JEFFREY LORD, FORMER REAGAN W.H. POLITICAL DIRECTOR: This is the person that makes the trains run on times. And to me the critical thing that I learned there is the Chief of Staff, people like Jim Baker, Howard Baker, Ken Duberstein, who are three of Reagan's four Chiefs of Staff, understood that the operative word in the title is the last one, "staff." You're not the deputy president. You're not supposed to be out there, you know, saying, hey, look over here. So whoever gets the job, I mean we -- I was in the White House when Ronald Reagan was there.
LORD: And alas, he turned out not so well.
COOPER: Mrs. Reagan did not like him ...
LORD: Mrs. Reagan did not like him. He hang up on her, one occasion which was not good. And when we got to Iran-contra, you know, he -- and among other things, he said that he felt like the guy who sweeps up behind the elephants in the parade and switch up the mess. That did not go down with her, either. But he also -- he was introduced, when we would have sessions in the east room ...
COOPER: So what do you think Bannon versus Priebus offer? I mean, Bannon seems to have Donald Trump's ear and has been able to ...
LORD: Right. Which is important ...
LORD: ... which is very important, you have to have the president's confidence. And the president has to believe that you are being loyal to him.
COOPER: And loyalty is -- I mean that seems, Andre, one of the critical things to Donald Trump. I mean, if we know anything about Donald Trump, is he prizes loyalty. A lot of people work for the Trump Organization, have worked for a long time, I think about Michael Cohen, Hope Hicks, you know, have been with him for a long time. And it seems like that's, you know, people who got with him early in this campaign and stuck with him through thick and thin.
ANDRE BAUER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And Kellyanne Conway would seemed like a great pick to me. But she did an excellent job in the campaign. She understands him, I think his temperament was got better when she came in the campaign. So I can't give her enough high marks. COOPER: Right. She also had people talk about her as a spokesperson, or, you know, as the White House spokesperson, because though she was campaign manager, she was also really was in a sense, chief spokesperson that I think a very effective job of representing him. Do you have a -- I don't get you ...
LORD: I don't have a favorite. I mean I'm thinking of him. And you want the president to be well served. And that's his judgment and his call and if he's happy with whomever then, good.
COOPER: We're going to have more with our panel. We want to bring our Democrats in on the next panel, as well we're going to take a quick break. We're continue look at protests around the country.
We're getting new audio from Hillary Clinton talking to her supporters and volunteers. It's coming right now, we'll bring that to you. We'll talk about what happened to Hillary Clinton when Donald Trump also pledged to be the president for all Americans. He had many wondering just how he'd bring people together. Some of the voters you'd expect to be most skeptical were already on board (ph), we'll talk with one women a Muslim, an immigrant who voted for Donald Trump. Her reasons why, she'll tell you ahead.
[21:18:01] COOPER: Welcome back. We're watching a third night of demonstrations in multiple cities across the United States, people protesting the election of Donald Trump. Many people expressing fear and sadness across the country, obviously more than half the country though also very excited and excited about what's going to be happening over the next several years. We'll be keeping an eye on the protests, continuing to cover them throughout the night.
One of the many statements that Trump made that did not set well with many people, last December Trump called for a total and complete shutdown, a temporary one of Muslims entering United States, until we could, "Figure out what was going on", end quote. Over the summer he lashed out at the parents of a slain Muslim-American soldier.
Both of these incidents sort of, lost Trump to support of some Muslim- American voters, but certainly not all. Asra Nomani wrote an opinion piece in the "Washington Post", that say's, she's one of the silent secret Trumps supporters. Well, she's now admit the silent nor a secret. She wrote in part, "This is my confession and explanation. I, a 51-year-old, I'm Muslim and an immigrant woman of color and one of those silent voters for Donald Trump, and I'm not a bigot, racist, chauvinist or white supremacist as Trump voters are being called, nor part of some white lash.
Asra Nomani joins me tonight.
So, Asra, explain why you voted for Donald Trump? What made you as a Muslim woman choose him over Secretary Clinton?
ASRA NOMANI, TRUMP SUPPORTER: The condition of my life has not improved over the last eight years. And I'm a lifelong Democrat, I'm a lifelong liberal, I believe in progressive values. And so I wanted a new opportunity for change. But I hope will happen, most importantly for me, as a Muslim, is that we will deal honestly, without obfuscation on the issue of Islamic extremism, that in my greatest disappointment over the last eight years. We've been doing his dense.
And I know that people have a lot of well-intentioned arguments for why they believe Muslims are better protected by not talking about the Islam and Islam extremism, but I believe that we have to confront the issue honestly and directly, and I saw in Donald Trump's national security solutions a clarity on that point that it's to me very important.
[21:20:10] COOPER: I understand that, in hearing that Secretary Clinton that Clinton Foundation had received money from, you know, Qatar or Saudi Arabia, that that also made a big impact on you.
NOMANI: It did. You know, Anderson, I believe in the feminist movement that is the pantsuit revolution. I want to see a woman as the chief executive as the United States of America. But at the same time, I don't want to compromise on values that are really important to me. And the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, to me, as a Muslim, represent the darkest interpretation of Islam that's out there in the world. And they represent a denial of progressive values. That's my moral consistency.
And when I saw that first memo that showed the documentation of money from the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia to the Clinton Foundation, I was so distressed. What really killed it for me though was the e-mail from Secretary Clinton to her aide, John Podesta, acknowledging that the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funding and financing and importing the Islamic state and other radical Muslim groups. That's the kind of honesty I want to see in policy. And unfortunately, for whatever reason, I haven't seen that delivered in the Democratic platform on solving this issue of terrorism in our world today.
COOPER: When -- obviously, you know, we've talked to a number of Muslim-Americans who express fear about Donald Trump, about some of the rhetoric that came up during the campaign, particularly the idea that, initially, that Donald Trump seemed to have of banning Muslims from coming into the United -- a temporary ban, he called it on Muslims coming into the United States until he figure out, you know, what the heck was going on. He seemed to have kind of more of that into bans on people from areas where there is Islamic terrorism.
Did that concern you at all? Because the argument on that was if you -- not only is that an American to ban people based on a religion, but it actually alienates the very people who we should be trying to bring closer in order to fight radical Islam, Islamic terrorism.
NOMANI: You know, Anderson, I've watched you go from the streets of Orlando to Paris, in the wake of this blood that has been spilled in the name of Islamic extremism. And it breaks my heart that we don't deal clearly and honestly with this problem that confronts us, by thinking that we are protecting Muslims by not talking about it. That is the propaganda movement of the government that wants us to avoid a conversation on ideology. Qatar and Saudi Arabia don't want us to talk about Islam, because if we do, it indicts the Islam that they practice.
COOPER: All right. Asra Nonami, I really appreciate you being on the program tonight and talking about the way you see it and what influenced your vote and I urge everybody to read your piece and we'll put a link on your website with it. Thank you so much.
NOMANI: Thank you, Anderson, and thank you for having an open heart and an open mind to all these ideas.
COOPER: Well, it's great to get people from all different walks of life and different perspectives, so Asra, thank you so much.
NOMANI: Thank you.
COOPER: We'll take a quick break. Up next were going to with hear what Hillary Clinton said to her campaign volunteers tonight. This is just coming in we'll listen to that audio in a moment.
Also ahead how doable is that to do list for President Trump's first day in office. There were some deadly (ph) promises made on the campaign trail. What can you actually get accomplish. Tom Foreman takes a look ahead.
[21:27:45] COOPER: There is a more breaking tonight in the third straight night of anti Trump protests. We're just getting audio of Hillary Clinton speaking with campaign volunteers and staffers saying, these have been very, very tough days. Let's listen to the audio.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hello, everyone. And I really appreciate you being on this call, so that I can tell you one more time how grateful I am. To each and every one of you, I saw many of you on the campaign trail. You were knocking on doors, in the snow, in Iowa and New Hampshire, and you were part of our final sprint this fall. And in so many ways, you are the heart and soul of our campaign. And being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life.
I have to say that as volunteers, you didn't just talk about the values we share, you really embodied them. You made sure that our campaign was as hopeful, inclusive, and big-hearted as the America that we believe in and that we set out to build together. You left it all on the field, every single one of you and the relationship you formed, the connections you made, I hope will prove to be of lasting significance to you and I think will make a difference for years to come. Your work mattered and I believe it still matters.
Look, I'm not going to sugar coat it, these have been very, very tough days.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
COOPER: And we're back with our panel tonight. Let's talk a little bit about. I mean, there's been some talk today, the "New York Times" reporting that Maggie, that after Secretary Clinton described half of Trump supporters as deplorable, that she realized that she had stepped in it that that was a big mistake. She had come out later and said, well, it's not half, but, still, that was clearly, I mean, a dump thing to say.
HABERMAN: Yeah, I think that she made a very identity politics argument throughout the campaign. She talked a lot more about sort of some of various parts than she did about a more cohesive economic argument. She made one, I think, more coherently during the primary against Bernie Sanders, and she lost that. She run an identity politics driven campaign and then, so the Donald Trump and he's won.
[21:30:13] I don't think it was one isolated thing with Clinton. I think that it was the totality of a lot of different things. I do think the Comey let her hurt her, but I also think the incident where she was sick and how she dealt with it, when she had pneumonia during the 9/11 memorial was an issue.
And I think that, you know, I think deciding to give paid speeches for a year and a half before getting into the race, ultimately I continued to go back to that I remember at that time, I was reminded after she lost by three Democratic strategists that I had said in 2013 that I didn't see how she was going to be president doing what she was doing. And I completely forgotten I had said all of that, because the field was totally cleared for her.
COOPER: Well, it's also, you know, the decision to make those speeches, that -- you know she said at that time, that she didn't know she was run -- going to run for president, which is, I mean that's hard to believe. And they've known that she was going to run for president for quite sometime.
HABERMAN: I got some blow-back from somebody, pretty close to her -- person close to her team today about that, who said, no, she really didn't know what she was doing. But on the other hand I also know that, as I was going through the reporting that I was doing at the time. Which was a lot of preparation work, certainly by the people around her, who were at minimum were preserving her options and she knew what they were doing. You can see in the Podesta e-mails and to be clear that was a tremendous breach of privacy ...
HABERMAN: ... that it was awful. I would imagine for anybody, but it does make clear how much stuff was going on. At the same time that they were telling reporters it wasn't.
COOPER: Christine, I mean, Podesta in a Call to Donors was -- you know, really blamed Comey, put a pointing finger that. It's that really -- I mean, obviously it probably had some sort of an impact, but in the end, isn't it all about the candidate? I mean you can have, you know, there's plenty of people who work their hearts out, trying to boast to her as best they could but in the end, don't voters make a choice based on the candidate?
CHRISTINE QUINN, CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, I think voters -- look, on any campaign, win or lose, and I say this as a former candidate, the back staff with the candidate. I mean that is the reality. And Hillary knows that as well as anybody, having won and having lost. You know, that said, I think there's never one thing in a campaign, right? It's the whole buildup and it's the whole way the campaign operated.
Did Director Comey's letter help? You know two weeks out, absolutely not. Absolutely not!
COOPER: Of course.
QUINN: And it was most impactful, because I felt like at that moment in the campaign, we had some wind at our back. And I think even the Trump people would admit that it's over now, at that moment, we were kind of on the upswing. And that really stopped that upswing and made people answer questions that had already been litigated to. It's absolute not to happen.
COOPER: Jonathan, I mean you were a Bernie Sanders supporter early on.
JONATHAN TASINI, HOST "THE WORKING LIFE PODCAST": Yeah. I mean two things I'd say breaking news, don't trust the FBI.
TASINI: I learned that back in -- you know, when Martin Luther was spied on and what the FBI does in politics to spy on people, they're doing legal things. So, breaking news both to Republicans, who didn't like Comey first and to Democrats...
QUINN: Right, totally.
TASINI: ... don't trust the FBI. That said, look, I -- and I want to say this lightly, because I know the pain is still there for many Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton. She was a terrible candidate. She was not a good candidate on the road and she was not a good candidate to talk to the people, because -- and the polls showed it, she was not well liked, and the question of honesty, in whether people trusted her, was over the top. And we knew that going into this campaign.
When you ask Maggie about the paid speeches, people out there in Middle America, in the Rustbelt, in places where that Donald Trump went and talked about trade issues for example. When you say to someone, you got paid $225,000 to speak to Goldman Sachs, that just blew people's mind and that stuck in there.
QUINN: Well I just wanted to... COOPER: Jeff -- and with Jeffrey, that indeed, there's reporting that Bill Clinton wanted the campaign to spend more time focusing on the Rustbelt States rural areas. A lot of these things, the Comey letter, all that stuff, it probably had a big impact because it reaffirmed people's -- the beliefs people already had and the dislikes people already had about Hillary Clinton.
LORD: Yeah, I mean, keep going back, Anderson, last year, when we were on your show. There was a kind of the Quinnipiac poll that that would few voters give here and specials in and she was seen to be dishonest or a liar. I mean, every single one of the stories we've talked here fed that image as you went along. And that report about Bill Clinton, I mean, if you can say nothing else about President Clinton. He is one smart political, you know?
LORD: Strategist, thank you.
QUINN: You know the...
LORD: And why they didn't listen to him is beyond me. One of the reasons that I thought from the beginning that Donald Trump could win is because I thought, it exactly, he could carry Pennsylvania.
BAUER: But she didn't motivate part of her base. They didn't get excited about it and Donald Trump...
COOPER: But there still to get.
BAUER: I said it was very safe and said there are people coming out, the Brexit, is the same thing, people aren't picking up on it, but there are going to be a crowd of folks to come out that nobody is getting in polling.
BAUER: They're going to shout at me. He turned out people -- people who are excited to come out and vote for him and she wasn't able to turn out a part of her key course. And that was the difference ...
[21:35:04] QUINN: You know, I think there's often a seal at the end of a campaign, to make the person who lost the race into everything about their campaign and everything about that person wrong. Now, that's simply not accurate usually ever, and it's not in this case and let's remember, the country was split, neither one of them was going to win overwhelmingly. And some magic campaign landslide. Did Secretary Clinton as a candidate have problems? Absolutely, but she was also -- and this is kind of irrefutable, the most accomplished, prepared, ready to be president person who has ever run.
And I think although that we can say all these negative things about her, it's important to know, she ran, she worked hard, and took a risk to make history. TASINI: Which is not helpful to the Democratic Party to think about the future, to not recognize the deep flaws in the way this campaign was conducted. And respectfully, in the candidate that was pushed under.
COOPER: I want to thank everyone in the panel. "Build The Wall" of course was a staple chanted that Trump Campaign rallies over this entire race, but for those threatened with being deported to the other side of it. Life is now a waiting game. We'll have that story up next.
[21:40:09] COOPER: Well, for third night we're seeing Anti-Trump protest in the number of cities. People taking to the streets, voicing their concerns over Trump presidency since his victory, there have also been reports of alleged intimidation and some other incidents, from Trump supporters. I talked about it with Univision anchor, Jorge Ramos.
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JORGE RAMOS, ANCHOR, UNIVISION NEWS AND FUSION: He emboldened many groups that right now are expressing their hate and dislike of minorities. When he said during the campaign that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, words are aren't for them, words matter, words have consequences. And what we're seeing right now is precisely that, if there is a headline for the Hispanic community right now, it would be fear. Fear of hate, fear of reprisals, fear of -- you know, I just saw a video from a Michigan school. In which some teenagers were chanting, "Build the Wall".
I mean, that language comes from, Donald Trump and the problem is that so far, Donald Trump hasn't denounced that. And that's their problem.
COOPER: Monica Langley of the "Wall Street Journal," I spoke to her earlier today. She interviewed Donald Trump. She asked him whether he thought his rhetoric can't out went too far during the campaign, and his response was simply, "No, I won't."
RAMOS: Well, he is responsible for his words. We have now a president-elect who made racist comments when he was running for the White House. We have a candidate who made sexist remarks during the campaign. So I think he's responsible for that.
And not only that, I think he has emboldened many groups. He has -- Before the election, many people were saying things in their homes that were private, that were politically incorrect for a reason. And now exactly that kind of language is what we are hearing. And after the election, many people think that it is OK to say those things. And it is not. It is simply it is not.
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COOPER: Hearing some of the protesters fear that Trump will fulfill some of the promises he made on the campaign trail including immigration issues, even the possibility he'll pull the plug on President Obama's executive action that helps people who came to the United States as children.
Rosa Flores tonight reports.
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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Since Election Day, Osmar Cruz says that walking in downtown Chicago brings about painful emotions that Trump Tower, he says, a tall symbol of his fear of deportation.
OSMAR CRUZ, DREAMER: Well that be is as a constant. And the Trump Tower is as I say it's a reminder that could happen at any moment.
FLORES: Cruz is a college student, studying neurosciences, but he was eight years old when he was brought to the United States illegally, settling in Chicago. He lived in the shadows until President Obama granted him and hundreds of thousands of other dreamers or young undocumented people brought to the U.S. as children temporary work permits through executive action.
TRUMP: I look very much forward to being your president.
FLORES: But now, under President-elect Donald Trump, all Cruz can think about is Trump's promise to deport all undocumented immigrants, and the divisive rhetoric he used during the campaign. And he points to this moment in particular on the first day of Trump's campaign.
TRUMP: They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they are rapists.
FLORES: Why are you afraid?
CRUZ: I am afraid, because we have all been labeled -- well, from my culture, the Mexican culture, we have been labeled as rapists, drug dealers, and killers. And that's something that we're not.
FLORES: Cruz said he's been intimidated near Trump Tower by Trump supporters, wearing "Make America Great Again" hats.
CRUZ: But when they looked at me, they give me a really mean look. And that stood (ph) with me. And it told me right away that just because I'm Mexican, I'm and undocumented, they already see me as less than them.
FLORES: Cruz joined the anti-Trump protests in Chicago. And says he's speaking out for all the undocumented immigrants, and estimated 11 million people, many, who are paralyzed with fear.
CRUZ: I have heard on some of my friend's parents who say, "Well, Trump won, I might as well leave now", because not only because they want to leave with dignity, but because they live in fear of being deported or being attacked, verbally, physically, or through anything just because of who they are.
FLORES: Not Cruz. He and his family want to stay in America and are ready to speak out and find common ground with Trump supporters.
CRUZ: And I'm pretty sure we can find some common ground because in the end we're all people and humans who all feel and want to pursue happiness.
COOPER: Rosa Flores joins us now from Chicago. I understand some of the dreamers you talked are worried because they provided addresses when they got their work permits.
FLORES: Absolutely, Anderson. They provided their names, their addresses, other personal information to the Federal Government. And so the fear now is, is that a President-elect Donald Trump, who has promised to deport all undocumented people, will simply take those files and start a deportation spree.
[21:45:10] Now, I should add that I have talked to dreamers across the country and some of them are taking these fears and putting them into action. You're seeing them on the streets all over the country (inaudible) protesting, because many say that they're ready to put up a fight to stay in this country. Because this is only country they know.
Now, I should also add that we did reach out to President-elect Donald Trump's press office for the story, Anderson, and we did not receive a response. Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Rosa Flores thanks very much. Up next, more in the immigration effort by President-elect Trump and other items on his to-do list, we'll look what he can actually check off and get done in the White House, or what he maybe not be able to accomplish or loosen up very quickly.
COOPER: President-elect Trump made a lot of promises on the campaign trail. The question is what can he accomplished? Tom Foreman tonight takes a look.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Item one on President Trump's to-do list could well be the plan that launched his presidency.
TRUMP: We're going to build a wall folks. We're going to build a wall.
FOREMAN: And he could continue work on sections of such a wall, which is already been going on for years on the U.S./Mexico border. But expanding farther for a complete wall would require more money and congressional approval.
Item two, deportation.
TRUMP: Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone. FOREMAN: In recent months, he suggested he's not going to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants, but only some 2 million whom he says have committed serious crimes. And yes he can send them home without getting Congress involved if he can find them.
[21:50:15] Item three, trade.
TRUMP: At the center of my job's land will be fixing our terrible trade deals.
FOREMAN: This election and the Republicans sweep of Congress has already killed hope for three specific partnership which President Obama wanted and Mr. Trump can pull the U.S. out of NAFTA, although it's not clear what the economic impact would be and legal challenges are sure to follow.
TRUMP: They repeal and replace Obamacare act.
Fully repeal Obamacare.
FOREMAN: This will be tricky at best, and he certain can't do it alone. True, republicans hold 51 seats in the Senate, but as the rules stand now, that is well short of the 60 needed to overcome a Democratic filibuster. He can chew away a key portions of the program by cutting funding but he said he'd also replace parts of Obamacare, although he's not fully answered question with what?
TRUMP: We need a special prosecutor to look into Hillary Clinton.
FOREMAN: He can make such an appointment and his staff suggests the possibility remains on the table; it's just not clear if he will do it.
TRUMP: A hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition.
FOREMAN: Again, the complete rep cushions are unclear but he has the power if he wants to follow through.
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FOREMAN: And lastly, what about banning all Muslims from entering the United States? Over the past few days, that idea has disappeared and reappeared on the Trump website, but running mate Mike Pence says that plan has pretty much been abandoned. Anderson?
COOPER: All right, Tom, thanks very much. Joining me our CNN chief political correspondent, Dana Bash, and our chief political analyst Gloria Borger. Gloria, one of the things that president-elect Trump can do, you know, latterly on day one is undue all of President Obama's 258 executive orders. Do you think he's likely to undo all of them right away or try to focus certain ones or sort of just working on it over time?
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: I think he's likely to focus on immigration right away. He'll get more bang for the buck on that because actually, he has a lot of authority when it comes to immigration. He can, you know, he can spread, you know, he can speed up deportations, for example. He can revoke, you know, programs that protect dreamers right now. And I think given his policy on immigration, those are certain things that he might want to do right away. He can also change the visa programs with executive orders.
So I think he'll probably go right ahead and do that on immigration. He can't build the wall right away, so at least he can do this.
COOPER: Yes, and Dana, I mean on currents opposition to some like NAFTA, Donald Trump spoke very clearly about his opposition during the campaign trail. He could get rid of that as well, couldn't he?
BASH: He could. Technically, the president, the executive branch, has the ability to do that. By the terms of NAFTA, one of the signatories -- or any of the signatories, I should say, just has to give the other countries six months heads up and then the country can technically pull out.
It would be a lot easier if he had Congress to go along with him because there are other -- there are specific provisions that have been kind of added that have had congressional approval that it's been through legislation, so some of it will be much more difficult for him to unravel without Congress, but big picture, as opposed -- when it comes to being a member of NAFTA of that treaty, he could do it. He could take -- he could back out on his own.
COOPER: And Gloria in terms of health cared, I mean talks to the "Wall Street Journal" today telling them that Obamacare will be amended or repealed and replaced, that's -- I mean all on the campaign trail, he always talked about repeal and replace, the amending slightly different. Regardless, he's got to work with Congress on that one. And that was going to take time.
BORGER: He does, we didn't hear a lot of amending. We heard a lot of repealing and replacing, and I think what was interesting about this was this apparently came out of a conversation he had with the president when he met with him yesterday and the president pointed out to him, look, under Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions cannot be denied healthcare. You can't take your adult children off of healthcare and I think that's what Donald Trump was referring to when he said he talked about the president's great achievements.
I should point out that no bill that is pending in Congress take away these two things because politically, that would be so difficult. So while it was sort of surprising to hear it from Donald Trump today, in Congress, they're kind of saying, yeah, we would not do that any way. [21:55:06] COOPER: Well, I mean all even on the campaign trail, Donald Trump was talking about whatever he came up with in terms of healthcare, he would want to continue to cover pre-existing conditions.
COOPER: Dana, I mean, Gloria referenced the wall earlier, that's probably the most famous policy ...
COOPER: .... position, one of the earliest, would he have to, in terms of actually doing that, it's obviously some would take time, but what would he have to do in order to get that done or at least get it started?
BASH: Well, there actually is a law -- actually couple of laws on the books. Congress has passed legislation saying that there should be a wall or a fence, so he can technically start, but he needs a lot of things to go along with it. First of all, money, and assuming that Mexico will not pay for the wall, he's got to have the preparations process, meaning the Congress, which holds the per strings, pass legislation to fund it. That's going to be a difficult task.
Also, you have environmental questions, and regulations that he's going to have to go through because having to, you know, build that wall cross the whole border. Potentially Native American land that he's going to have to deal with not to mention eminent domain, which is always an issue when you're dealing with something -- building anything, but particularly something that goes across the entire southern border.
So the answer again is technically, yes. Practically, it's a lot more difficult.
COOPER: Yeah, all right, a lot to -- to the look for Dana, thanks very much and Gloria as well, thanks.
COOPER: And there's more news ahead. We'll be right back.