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Trump Walks Back Some Campaign Promises;; Obama Staff Surprised By Trump's Vague Grasp of Job; Trump Kids On Transition Team: Conflict Of Interest?; Ivanka Trump: Won't Be Part Of Dad's Administration; Growing Fears Over Trump's Pick For Top Adviser; Dave Chappelle's Powerful Message To Trump On "SNL". Aired 11-11:30

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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Kate Bolduan. John Berman is off today. President-elect Donald Trump laying out his vision for America and about those campaign promises. The wall, maybe more of a fence. Obamacare, throw it out but not all of it. Locking up Hillary Clinton? Maybe not so much.

In his first major sit-down since winning the election, Donald Trump sounding a bit different from Candidate Trump when speaking to "60 Minutes."

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN AT THIS HOUR ANCHOR: Maybe more of a fence. Obamacare, throw it out but not all of it. Locking up Hillary Clinton? Maybe not so much. In his first major sit-down since winning the elections, Donald Trump sounding a bit different from candidate Trump when speaking to "60 Minutes". Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LESLEY STAHL, CBS NEWS 60 MINUTES ANCHOR: When you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets.

STAHL: You're going to keep that?

TRUMP: Also with the children living with their parents for an extended period, we're going to --

STAHL: You're going to keep that?

TRUMP: -- very much going to try to keep that in. Adds cost but it's very much something we're going to try to keep.

STAHL: Are you really going to build a wall?

TRUMP: Yes.

STAHL: They're talking about a fence in the Republican Congress. Would you accept a fence? TRUMP: For certain areas, I would, but certain areas, the wall is more appropriate. I'm very good at this. This is called construction, but a fence would be --

STAHL: So part wall, part fence?

TRUMP: Yeah, it could be - you know, could be some fencing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLDUAN: But his first order of business, getting his team in place. Those appointments also raising some eyebrows already. Donald Trump appointing Steve Bannon to be Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor. Bannon is famous among the fringe right as the head of the right-wing website Breitbart News. That announcement receiving quick backlash from democrats and groups like the Anti-Defamation League, also being met by large - by a lot of silence from many republicans, which speaks volumes.

Republicans do seem more comfortable with though Trump's choice for Chief of Staff, the Head of the Republican National Committee, Reince Priebus. So, for much more on all of this, let's get over to CNN's Phil Mattingly. First Phil, to what was a very, very interesting "60 Minutes" interview, where Trump laid out where he is today, it seems on the issues.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. More flexible Trump, I think you could say, than what we've seen over the last 15 or 16 months. Look, Kate, I've been to dozens of Donald Trump rallies and I can confirm at no point when he was touting the repeal and replace of Obamacare, did he under his breath say, except for those two provisions that everybody thinks are very popular, that wasn't in there.

But I think this is a reality that you're looking at a President-elect who looks at the landscape, sees republicans in control of the house and senate, sees opportunities to actually move things forward, and whether it's on health care or whether it's on immigration, he understands that flexibility will be necessary to move forward. I think that's when you talk to his advisers, they have always said, at his core, Donald Trump is a dealmaker, and while he might state things as facts on the campaign trail or as tried and true policy prescriptions that he will not move off of on the campaign trail, when he gets into a backroom or when he starts negotiating with lawmakers, those are up for debate and those are up for negotiation.

That's at least what we have seen over the last five or six days, as both Donald Trump and Washington seems to be getting their heads around what a Trump administration will look like. I do think, though, when you talk to republicans on Capitol Hill, they are extremely excited about the opportunity to move things forward, but the further away Donald Trump moves from some of those core conservative tenets, the more likely they are to start raising red flags, Kate.

BOLDUAN: Yeah, and where do the alliances are actually going to land and will be interesting, because Donald Trump on the campaign trail different than what exactly as you point out, we're seeing right there with to "60 Minutes". What though then is the reception, because it's coming from a lot of people, to this - to his Senior Counselor, Steve Bannon?

MATTINGLY: Yeah. Look, it was outrage from Civil Rights groups, from certain groups on the left, democrats, saying this is not normal and the reality is, this isn't normal. In any other White House, an individual with the past and the portfolio of Steve Bannon, moving into such a senior and important role, would be blown apart as just not simply in the realm of possibility.

But, I think it's important to note, when you talk to republican advisers and you noted, not a lot of people are coming out in speaking in support of Steve Bannon, but people that are, Reince Priebus, Paul Ryan, saying, he supports Reince Priebus, who supports Steve Bannon. Kevin Mccarthy, the House Majority Leader, saying, the Steve Bannon that we've all described on air and what we've all seen at Breitbart, is not the Steve Bannon that he knows. I think it's important to note, Donald Trump got here with a very small, very tight group of advisers, nobody else thought that he was going to get here, they did, they helped spearhead that campaign, they helped spearhead that strategy.

The idea that Donald Trump would all of a sudden shun these individuals when he moved into the White House, I think is a fundamental misunderstanding of the individual that Donald Trump is, and the campaign that he ran. So, Steve Bannon, making his way into the White House, shouldn't surprise anybody who's watched Donald Trump's campaign over the last couple months, Kate, but the reaction shouldn't either. The reaction to Steve Bannon entering the White House shouldn't, either, and I can tell you while you don't hear a lot of it coming from republicans, behind closed doors, behind the scenes, republicans, particularly those who worked in White Houses before, are very taken aback by this move, very concerned about what it mean -- might mean going forward.

And I think as we wait to see the rollout of more personnel decision, personnel is policy, particularly somebody without the background that Donald Trump has, and I think he's making a very big and bold statement by giving Steve Bannon this big job, Kate.

BOLDUAN: Great to see you, Phil. Thanks so much.

So, let's discuss this, so much more right now with CNN's Chief Political Correspondent Dana Bash, who's here with me. And joining us from Washington, Bob Cusak, Editor-in-chief of "The Hill", and David Fahrenthold, a Political Reporter for "The Washington Post", great to have all of you. So, Dana, as we kind of played, there was a lot coming out of that "60 Minutes" interview, but the first interview that he's sitting down, laying out his vision for America, he's softening on issues, softening on the wall, softening on Obamacare. What does that mean?

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: We don't know. We don't know until it actually - it turns into policy, until he's in the White House, because he has been malleable, maybe it sounds a little bit pejorative, but he has been, you know, soft on a lot of these things. For one reason, he is a new politician and he was trying to find his sea legs. Another reason is that, he was a democrat not that long ago and contributed to democrats, and he changed and he's sort of, again, trying to find his way within the republican realm.

However, I think that there were some interesting windows into what he really thinks. The wall, you know, you can sort of argue whether or not he changed so much because he'd talked about a fence at certain parts of the border before. I thought what was one of the most interesting points of questioning in the interview on "60 Minutes" was the Supreme Court, because this is so real. He -- one of his very first things is going to be -- to fill a vacancy that already exists on the Supreme Court. And it is to, you know, fill a conservative chair and (INAUDIBLE) but, the fact that he said he wants somebody or he personally doesn't believe that gay marriage should be messed with, that he's OK with it being legal.

And on the Roe V. Wade issue, which is the other that social conservatives have obviously have been trying for, you know, a generation plus to get repealed, he sort of was wishy-washy. He said the states should decide that is -- that does mean Roe V. Wade should be repealed, but it wasn't as firm, I think, as a social conservative would be.

BOLDUAN: We -- let's play this bit to sound because I actually absolutely agree that this is a fascinating bit, but it also shows his different take on what is, you know, settled law by the Supreme Court, with two different take on. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: If it ever were overturned it would go back to the states. So, it would go back to the states --

STAHL: But then, some women won't be able to get an abortion.

TRUMP: No, it will go back to the states.

STAHL: By state - no, some-

TRUMP: Yeah, well, perhaps they have to go to - they have to go to another state.

STAHL: Do you support marriage equality?

TRUMP: It's irrelevant because it was already settled. It's law. It was settled at the Supreme Court, I mean, it's done.

STAHL: So even if you appoint a judge that -

TRUMP: It's done and you have -- these cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They've been settled, and I think -- I'm fine with that.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLDUAN: Bob, on that one, I mean, let me bring you in on this,

because as Dana, well, brought up, I mean, one's settled, one's not settled, it seems, in how Donald Trump is talking about it. What do you make of that?

BOB CUSAK, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, THE HILL: Well, it's interesting, I mean, after the 2012 election, then speaker John Boehner said Obamacare is the law of the land, and here, Trump is saying, "Well, that's not settled law, I'm going to change that. I'll keep this and keep that, but we're going to change it significantly." So, I do think it's part of Trump's strategy to try to unify the country to say, "Hey, it's not my way or the highway, I'm willing to compromise." And the amazing thing is, his supporters will allow him to compromise.

Now, conservatives on Capitol Hill, they are watching this very closely. They don't want to see any kind of alliance between Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi, I don't think that's going to happen, but they are going to be holding his feet to the fire. So, but I do think it's part of his - hey, let's make a deal, I put out some proposals, didn't have a lot of details in some of the proposals, and let's strike some deals, because he's going to need democrats on a lot of the things that he wants to get done.

BOLDUAN: You know, I'm fascinated to see how far he does show this flexibility because you -- what you need from a president, though, are - is some guiding light. He's going to have to take a stand when it comes to this stuff. David, let me bring you in on this, another bit of sound I want to play for our viewers, which I found absolutely fascinating, is another campaign promise, putting in place - putting a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton and her e-mails. These words, though, did come out of his mouth last night. "They're good people." Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STAHL: You called her crooked Hillary, said you wanted her to get in jail, your people and your audience is kept saying "Lock him up."

TRUMP: Yeah.

STAHL: Do you want -

TRUMP: But she did some bad things. I mean, she did some bad things.

STAHL: I know, but special prosecutor? I think you might --

TRUMP: I don't want to hurt them. I don't want to hurt them. They're good people. I don't want to hurt them, and I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do "60 Minutes" together.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLDUAN: At every rally, at every stop, she's the worst, he called her "The Devil" at one point, called her a "Nasty Woman" straight to her face in the debate, and now, "They're good people, I don't want to hurt them?" I mean, you've done a lot of reporting on Donald Trump, David. Does this surprise you?

DAVID FAHRENTHOLD, THE WASHINGTON POST POLITICAL REPORTER: No. One of the things that Trump has done throughout the campaign is to say something outrageous, to say something that will beyond the pale of our democratic traditions, and then seek credit for not actually doing it. So, in this case, it would be sort of beyond the pale to appoint a special prosecutor to jail your recently defeated opponent, especially somebody who'd gone through an FBI review already.

And so, I think Trump here is sort of dragging out the moment in which he says, "I don't - I'm not going to appoint a special prosecutor. I won't do something that breaks with years of American democratic tradition.", and then, though, by having lowered the expectations for himself, he'll then get lots of credit when he doesn't go as low as we think he might.

BOLDUAN: But Dana, isn't this one area where you think that his supporters and republicans, they will hold his feet to the fire? I mean, this seems - this seems -- this was the chant at his rallies.

BASH: It was, but - and you've seen this, too, in politics as I have, winning changes a lot of things. And when the winner actually becomes President-elect, you do, you know, even if you're Donald Trump and you are as bombastic as they come, you do have to have a moment or two to be kind of above it all and a little more humble, and it's a very different issue, but if you look back in time, President Obama, for example, he said when he was campaigning that they would prosecute people who -- for war crimes, who were involved in waterboarding and things like that, they didn't. Now, obviously, again, they're very different issues, but he and Eric Holder, who is then the Attorney General, decided not to because they wanted to move forward. So, it would be a similar kind of -

BOLDUAN: Campaigning is governing (INAUDIBLE) campaigning. I mean, that doesn't need to be even repeated again, and, again, and again, because it is so true, right, but to - but now, there's really interesting reporting, Bob, coming out, a lot of people reporting Wall Street Journal, talking about kind of the meeting between President- elect Trump, Barack Obama, and coming out of the meeting, CNN is reporting, is that officials described it as a wake-up call of sorts, revealing how much work needed to be done before Trump takes office, that they were surprised at how little he knew about the responsibilities of running the government.

CUSAK: Yeah, no, and I think that is telling, obviously, some people talking about the private meeting, but Donald Trump is a New York guy. New York and Washington, they don't understand, they speak different types of languages. I think that some of the criticisms of Donald Trump hiring D.C. Insiders or thinking about D.C. Insiders, is actually off the mark. I think he needs D.C. Insiders to understand how this town works and clearly, there's going to be a learning curve. He's never served as a politician -- an elected politician. So, without a doubt though, there is going to be a lot of work to done - to be done and the transition team really needs to get in gear, they really didn't accomplish much before the election. BOLDUAN: Dana, was that surprising? I mean, the fact that this much reporting is coming out of what was a meeting between just two men and then advisers meeting, you know --

BASH: It's a meeting between two men and they're certainly in a very small club, the presidents or soon to be presidents club, but, remember, there's not of the greatest history here, and until the night before -

(CROSSTALK)

BOLDUAN: "The Wall Street Journal" is now reporting that he - that Obama is ready to spend more time helping him get make the transition.

BASH: Well, exactly. Well, because he's - because he's, you know, he cares about the republic. And look, you could see it all over Trump's face in that brief meeting when they brought the cameras in. He was -- I said it at the time, and I'll say it again, I never thought I would use this word, but he looked humbled. He looked humbled and frankly overwhelmed, which I think is a good thing, because he realizes the gravity of the job.

BOLDUAN: It's an excellent point. His face there -

BASH: Yeah.

BOLDUAN: -- spoke volumes coming out - coming out of that meeting, with sitting right beside the president. David, a lot of the report that you focused on is Donald Trump's businesses, Donald Trump's foundation and where his money is going and has gone. The big question that remains still today, there hasn't been a good answer, is what is he going to do with his businesses? He says he's going to give it to his kids and that's going to be fine. That has not settled it for a lot of people. Ivanka Trump was asked about it in this "60 Minutes" interview, listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STAHL: People think that you're going to be part of the administration, Ivanka.

IVANKA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S DAUGHTER: I'm -- no. I'm going to be a daughter, but I've said throughout the campaign that I am very passionate about certain issues and that I want to fight for them.

STAHL: But you won't be inside -

I. TRUMP: Wage equality, child care, these are things that are very important for me. I'm very passionate about education, really promoting more opportunities for women. So, you know, there are a lot of things that I feel deeply strongly about, but not in a formal administrative capacity.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLDUAN: His kids are on his transition team, and he's also handing the business - the business over to them and that's - and that's supposed to be enough. Is this settled?

FARENTHOLD: No, not at all. To Trump has said he's going to put the business in a blind trust, but he doesn't know what a blind trust means or he's using it incorrectly. His kids will run the business, he says, but again, his kids are also helping run the country by being on the transition team.

Most importantly, Trump will know where all the debts are, where all the investments are, who he needs favors from, who he owes money to, in a way that we, the people, don't know yet and may never know. So, if the business continues on, Trump will have -- he can't help but have those things weighing on his mind. I think just in practical terms for him, there's an enormous potential for scandal, distraction and accusations coming out of his business dealings if his kids continue to run it and they continue to be so close to him. Just in terms of, you know, freeing his administration from distractions and accusations, you'd think he'd want to put more distance there, but he has not.

BOLDUAN: That -- those questions are definitely not going away because it's not yet decided exactly how that's going to look, it appears. Bob, David, thank you so much. Dana, thank you and see you back just in a few minutes.

New backlash coming up this morning, after Trump reveals the controversial move of who will have his ear when he is in the White House, and what that means for his relationship with Capitol Hill. Plus, as racist incidents are popping up across the country, Trump makes a direct appeal to his supporters. You want to hear his message coming up.

And, Bernie Sanders sounding off on the election, why he says he's deeply humiliated in the Democratic Party? We'll be right back.

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BOLDUAN: New concerns this morning surrounding one of the very first decisions of Donald Trump's presidency, the appointment of his right- hand man. In this case, Trump chose two, Reince Priebus, Chairman of the Republican National Committee. He'll be President Trump's Chief of Staff. And Steve Bannon, who will be Trump's chief strategist and senior counselor.

So, Bannon was the campaign CEO and chairman of Breitbart News. Bannon has called Breitbart News a platform of the Alt-Right, which is widely seen as closely aligned with white nationalism, antisemitism and misogyny.

Surprise - not surprisingly, a lot of people have something to say about this. Joining me now to discuss is CNN Senior Political Reporter Manu Raju and RNC member Randy Evans, who's very close with Reince Priebus.

Great to see you both. Manu, first to you, republicans very quick to say they were very happy to see Reince Priebus being appointed as Chief of Staff. It seemed there was by and large silence, though, about Steve Bannon. What is the reaction?

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Yeah, that's exactly it among republicans, silence. They don't really know what to make of the fact of Steve Bannon being in that position. They really don't know much about Steve Bannon, to begin with, other than the fact that he was the head of Breitbart News, and that Breitbart has furiously attacked republicans on Capitol Hill, particularly the leadership, for a long time, for years and years and years, going after Lindsey Graham for his work on immigration, going after Paul Ryan, to actually beat him in his primary challenge back last August, one that Paul Ryan won overwhelmingly.

So, a lot of questions about exactly the amount of influence that he'll have. Will he - will he pull Donald Trump further to the right, or will he be as Reince Priebus said, more of an operational, organizational person with an even-keeled temperament. It really just speaks to the larger questions the republicans have about what Donald Trump will be like as president.

But democrats, Kate, are jumping all over this. Harry Reid, the senate minority leader, his spokesman issuing a scathing statement last night saying that it's easy to see why the KKK views Trump as their champion when trump appoints one of the foremost peddlers of white supremacist themes and rhetorics - rhetoric as his top aide.

So, a very, very strong words from democrats. Republicans uncertain, though, Kate.

BOLDUAN: Yeah, it sure seems the case. So, one person coming, Randy, to the defense of Steve Bannon is Reince Priebus. Here he was on ABC this morning. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRIEBUS: I don't know where they're coming from. And that's not the - that's not the Steve Bannon that I know. I've sat with him for months. I he never, ever one time experienced that and I think these people are taking --

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, they're looking at the Breitbart website.

PRIEBUS: I mean, I think there's going to be a lot of announcements of a lot of people, but I find him not to be the way that he's being accused. I find him to be the opposite. And I think people need to give people time and give people an opportunity and not make judgments.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLDUAN: Randy, you trust Reince Priebus. Do you trust Steve Bannon?

RANDY EVANS, CHAIRMAN OF REPUBLICAN NATIONAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION: Oh, absolutely. And I'm not surprised the democrats would be overly critical of the chief strategist that beat them in the election. The biggest asset Steve Bannon brings to bear is he's actually in touch with a majority of the American people, and it scares both the establishment republicans and democrats because it means he looks past the establishment that's in Washington, D.C. and goes directly to voters.

BOLDUAN: Right, but Randy, when you say majority of the American people are - agree with birth control makes women unattractive and crazy? These are headlines from Breitbart News. Bill Kristol, republican spoiler, renegade Jew?

I mean, you can see the headlines on the screen right now. You think a majority of America agrees with this? I mean, I think that's not right.

EVANS: No, I think what you're doing is you're following and you're reading from the talking points of the Democratic National Committee, which is to say -

(CROSSTALK)

BOLDUAN: No, I'm absolutely not, Randy.

EVANS: Yeas, you - yes, you are. You've spent an entire 15 -

BOLDUAN: No. He's the head of Breitbart News.

EVANS: You spent an entire 15 minutes explaining why Donald Trump was horrible and he's going to fail. You said to - literally, you among other people said, he needs to be more presidential. When he's more presidential, that's him weakening and backing up. You say he doesn't fulfill his promises when -

BOLDUAN: I have one (INAUDIBLE)

(CROSSTALK)

BOLDUAN: I never once said that he'll fail in the 24 (INAUDIBLE) on TV today.

EVANS: You said you criticize for the softening. You go, "Oh, he's softening. How can he keep his face? And in terms of delivering, what about Guantanamo, what about prosecuting for war crimes? Those are things that Barack Obama -

BOLDUAN: Absolutely. We just brought - we brought that up in our discussion.

EVANS: I agree with you. So -

BOLDUAN: This is isn't about - this isn't about me. I'm asking about his senior adviser and you saying that a majority of Americans agree with it. You do -

EVANS: No.

BOLDUAN: You have no problems with this headlines with what - with what Steve Bannon's web site has played in for a very long time.

EVANS: Play the tape back. That's not what I said. I said Steve Bannon has a unique - Steve Bannon has a with what American -average American stink. I didn't say that every Breitbart headline reflected those beliefs of the average American.

BOLDUAN: OK.

EVANS: You said that. Not me. What I said was as a chief strategist like Karl rove, like David Axelrod, they have an understanding poof counterplea feel. Now, the people have spoken. Now, we in the media can either take a step back and say OK, what did he hear that we didn't? And maybe we need to take a long look at what that is.

Now, Reince Priebus has worked with him. Reince Priebus is a phenomenal leader at bringing factions together. They're rather than always dividing. Remember, he started this process with 17 presidential candidates.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely.

EVANS: And was able at the end of the day to bring everybody together to a victory. This is a man who assimilated a ground game, which day after day, was criticized as being not competitive with the Clinton ground game, whereas the Reince Priebus ground game pummeled them. Pummeled them in states like North Carolina and in Iowa and in Wisconsin and in Michigan. So, you've got a very -

BOLDUAN: (INAUDIBLE) and it's largely, and it is largely Reince Priebus and the operation that he's built up and the - and the organization that helped Donald Trump.

EVANS: Now, you can have the best ground operation in the world, but if you don't have the right message, it doesn't work. You have to have both the messaging and the ground game that's feeding off of each other. That's why you got a perfect combination. You've got somebody as the chief strategist who's got the messaging. You've got somebody who knows the ground game, who's there to put it in place.

BOLDUAN: When you - when you do have the anti-defamation league coming out reacting to Steve Bannon, saying it is a sad day when a man who presided over the premier web site of the Alt-Right, a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racist, is slated to be a senior staff member in the people's house. What do you say to that?

EVANS: I say to the Judge at the end of this term to see whether or not America is better, whether your issues are better, whether or not people have jobs, whether or not people have opportunities, whether or not people can now achieve their dreams, rather than depending on a government paycheck.

At the end of this four years, you can then judge Steve Bannon, you can Judge Reince Priebus, but most of all you can judge Donald Trump. But until then, I urge everybody to take the wisdom of President Obama which is to give him a chance. Don't condemn them before they have ever even taken office, which is exactly what's happened in this hour so far, which is to literally start before they have even taken office to say. Basically, we're going to hold everything in the past against you, so that we impede any ability to get the message out in the future. And you just can't do that.

BOLDUAN: I said isn't - that isn't no way what we're doing. It is completely fair to ask any president-elect, ask of any president-elect why they are softening or backing away or seeming negotiable on campaign promises that they were so (INAUDIBLE)

during the election. There is nothing wrong with that. That's completely fair. That's not biased. That's not being -

EVANS: After you said - let me get this - let me get this - let me get this straight.

BOLDUAN: That's not being critical. That's just asking questions that we should ask the person who's going to lead this country.

EVANS: Let me - let me get this straight. You yourself have said he's got to act more presidential, he's got to be more reasonable, he's got to be more open. He does those three things and what do you do? Did you compliment him? Did you say this is exactly what I asked him to do? Did you say this is what I have said he should do? Did you do any of those things? No. What did you do instead? What did you do instead? What did you do instead?

BOLDUAN: I am not -- Randy, I am not in the -

EVANS: You called on - you called on - you called on contributor after contributor.

BOLDUAN: I'm not in - I don't think - number one, I don't think enough of myself to think that Donald Trump is taking campaign advice from me,

then, or taking advice from me now. I think -

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EVANS: But if he does - if he does -

BOLDUAN: -- which is OK to ask questions of a president-elect and how they have changed on issues from campaign to once they've won.

EVANS: Why did you have -

BOLDUAN: It was the same thing with Barack Obama. Randy, we're just going to leave it here. Thank you.

EVANS: Why did you have one guest say that?

BOLDUAN: Randy Evans -

EVANS: Say that he's very more presidential and that's a good thing.

BOLDUAN: The great thing is, Randy, you came on and you've been able to say a whole bunch so thank you so much. EVANS: No, thank you.

BOLDUAN: Not my job to be keeping praise on politicians from any end of the spectrum.

EVANS: It is your job to pick people who come on - it is your job to pick people come on, and when he does that what you're suggesting, you need to have people to come on to say, "And that's what he should do."

BOLDUAN: There you go. You just did. Randy, thank you very much. Manu, great to see you as well. Coming up for us, comedian Dave Chappelle offering an olive branch to Donald Trump on one condition. He tells his emotional monologue on race, including what happened during his recent trip to the White House.

Also this, brand new CNN reporting reveals Donald Trump told Chris Christie that he didn't think he, Donald Trump, would last beyond October of last year, in hear which republican candidate they considered to be a common enemy. That is next.

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