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PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
Unsettling new video of the Fort Lauderdale airport shooting showing the moment the gunman opens fire killing five people and wounding six. The footage is disturbing. If you prefer to look away, do so right now, but we think it's crucial to understanding this brazen attack and let me first explain what you're going to see. Take a look, this is a freeze frame from the video obtained by TMZ.
It appears to be security camera footage from right inside the baggage claim area. And you can see the shooter here in the blue shirt. Now, once the video begins, keep your eye on the left side of the screen, that's where you'll eventually see the shooter walk into frame. Again, we warn you, some may find this video disturbing. We're going to play it for you now.
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BROWN: So disturbing these people. There is Boris in the airport, hiding behind the carts, not knowing what to do in that moment. And we know, Boris, who's right there at the scene, that the suspect has been talking to police, what has he been saying?
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORESPONDENT: Apparent from what we understand, he's told them that this whole thing was orchestrated, that he planned to come here to Fort Lauderdale to carry out this attack. He leaves no doubt that this was some kind of an attack and that he didn't necessarily pick out who he was going to attack.
From what we understand in an affidavit released yesterday by investigators, he's told them that he came here to Fort Lauderdale, that he went into the restroom as we've heard before, put the gun in his waistband and then came out and opened fire, as we see in that video.
We've asked a spokesperson from the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood airport about any comment that they might have about the release of this video. They told us they wouldn't speak about it but that an investigation has been launched and that law enforcement is involved to figure out how this got out to the public. From what we see in the video, the moment before the gunman enters the
frame, there are children walking right in front of him. There are people just walking around to retrieve their bags. Then he walks into frame and perhaps the most startling thing about the whole video is the fact that we see the expression on his face, there isn't one. He is completely expressionless as he reaches down on his waistband and then opens fire on the people nearest to him.
At one point we see then see him seemingly crouched down and then start running after that. You see people, as you said, start hiding behind anything that they could. Several people hitting the ground at that point. Esteban Santiago is due in court tomorrow in federal court. He's facing several serious charges, al of them Pam eligible for the death penalty.
BROWN: All right. We'll be keeping eye on that. Boris Sanchez, thank you so much. And I want to bring in our experts now from both sides on this. Joining me now, Matthew Horace, the senior law enforcement analyst and former ATF executive and Dr. Terry Lyles, a combat stress psychologist. He's worked with hundreds of people in all levels of the military. He joins us by phone.
Matthew, I want to start with you. When you watched this video of the gunman walking through the airport and opening fire, almost being methodical about it, what's he's got to you from a law enforcement perspective?
MATTHEW HORACE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYSIS: Well, I think for me the emotionless stare on his face, you know, that's what we've heard from witnesses in the past involving other mass casualty incidents and they ask the witnesses, what did the suspect do? What did he look like? And people said, you know, he had a blank stare, he was emotionless. This was cold and calculated and callus in every sense of the word and it's almost like he's shooting at things and not people.
BROWN: And Dr. Lyles, what do you make up that -- look at this. I mean, his face really is emotionless. What do you make of that from your perspective?
TERRY LYLES, PSYCHOLOGIST (via telephone): I agree with what was just said. I mean, you can see the emotionless stance he referred to, but literally there's no such thing as emotionless because we are emotional creatures. This was calculated. And you know, we talked yesterday some about this on a story of PTSD potentially and all this.
We don't really know what the parameters could be leading up to this, but what he did, by this video which is revealing is very calculated, very articulate and very intentional. And that shares a whole different story about his mentality of what he intended to do driving -- no, flying all the way from Anchorage all the way down to Florida to do this intentionally.
BROWN: Which just really is bizarre, I mean, law enforcement -- he has told law enforcement and law enforcement believes through other means that he had been preparing for this attack for some time. Matthew, what do you make of the fact that he flew all the way to Florida from Alaska and then carried out this attack against complete strangers in the airport there?
[17:05:00] HORACE: You know, Pamela, we've said it in the past, you know, we don't know what goes into the mind of a mad man, but clearly, despite the fact that we're maintaining and people are maintaining that he may have had mental health issues. There was a certain amount of planning, preparation that went on to this crime.
To fly from Anchorage, Alaska to Fort Lauderdale almost a complete opposite into the country, to do this and like to use the law in a very calculated way, to ship (INAUDIBLE), to ship ammunition, to go get all of them out of the bags and walk through the airport with that sense of callous, calculated behavior, to me shows predisposition at every measure.
BROWN: And there were so many red flags it seems Matthew, and I bring you in Dr. Lyles in just a moment, but just from a law enforcement perspective, I mean this shooter told the FBI he was hearing voices back in November. He told police he was having terroristic thoughts. He later started selling off his belongings. His friends said he was behaving erratically. How did this guy slipped through to cracks, Matthew?
HORACE: Well, I think it's a combination of things and Pamela, just by way of experience, throughout my 28 years in the federal government as a federal agent, I can't tell you the number of times that someone came into our office that was seemingly had mental health challenges, that were saying they were hearing things in their brain and in their sleep and they were saying very unintelligible things. You can't take everyone of those seriously, but you can document it and I think the FBI and the Anchorage police did that.
Now, with respect to his actions, in every one of these cases, after the people are dead and after we have victims, we go back and we do interviews and we find out that somewhere along the way, someone heard something, saw something, or felt something but did nothing.
BROWN: But in this case, we know his friends went with him to the FBI because they were concerned about his mental well-being. Dr. Lyles, the shooter did a year long tour of duty in Iraq back in 2010. His family says he came back a changed person. They say he had visions and that he had asked the army for help. We know he was eventually discharged for unsatisfactory performance, but what more can be done to provide the care for veterans because we know, Dr. Lyles, his brother says he didn't get the help he received.
LYLES (via telephone): Well, I mean, and I talked about this yesterday with you guys. You know, we have a program nationally called Connected Warriors and part of that is not just hearing these individuals as was mentioned earlier, but really trying to get into their world. And the government needs to step up their abilities on helping people with PTSD that at least ascribe to that.
But there's still a nomenclature in our culture that says if you say I have PTSD or I'm troubled, you end up pushed off to the side. And we have to work harder to make this more of not a shame issue, but an issue that I need help and I can get help and get the help that I needed in my local area in the VA.
For him to fly and do what he did, as was said just a moment ago, this was calculated. Obviously this person had been radicalized at some level because to think that through and to shoot innocent civilians, he had something else going on in his mind and I would venture that it's not just some psychosis. It was something he was trying to prove out and time will tell what was in his mind if we can get that from him. But again, we've got to do a better job on debriefing these individuals when they come back from combat.
BROWN: And just to be clear, law enforcement have not said whether he was in fact radicalized. That is something that they are looking at. They have not ruled out terrorism in this case so early in the investigation. But Dr. Lyles, after telling the FBI he was hearing voices, he underwent a mental health evaluation.
He was discharged after less than 72 hours and adjudicated as mentally defective, which is the legal term. So, he was able to get his gun back. What is the threshold for adjudicating someone as mentally defective? Does hearing voices and believing your mind is controlled by spies not reach it?
LYLES: Well, again, this is, you know, the psychological versus the real world aspect of what we do and, you know, you can check all the boxes, you can call the doctor and check the boxes and they let you go, but sometimes it takes more investigation, more testing, and it seems like this individual went in, you know, prescribed what he was thinking and feeling, he was discharged as OK, whatever it is, what it is and he goes on his way was, that's where the problem lies.
We have to have a better screening system that if certain boxes are checked so to speak, we have to hear through what's being said not necessarily what's being treated and go from there. To have a weapon right after that takes place, even though he could have been on a cool down for 30 days, he should have went before at least a judge, a second opinion, something needed to take place.
I know it sounds like a big chore, but we have to work better as a country and as a society to make sure our individuals that are coming back from war understand what's happening and to treat them holistically, not just based upon what they say. Look at the tragedy that took place. I live right here.
[17:10:05] BRWON: Right, I know, you mentioned that yesterday. And Matthew, I mean, you know, he makes the point. Why didn't he go before a judge before he got his gun back? You know, law enforcement repeatedly has said in the wake of this, that law enforcement in Alaska that look, our hands were tied. We followed protocol.
He was never adjudicated as mentally defective, again the legal term, therefore we had to give him his gun back. But what would it take for someone like that to go before a judge? I mean, could law enforcement have done anything else in this situation?
HORACE: Well, you know Pam, it's not just a protocol but it's the law. We do not, as federal agents, have the right to keep someone's firearm if they're not prohibited from owning it. And that was always a big challenge as an ATF agent. There were times when we knew or we felt that someone shouldn't have guns, but whether they shouldn't have guns and whether they can have guns is two different arguments.
Second point is this, whose responsibility is it to make sure that someone goes before a judge or gets additional counseling. In my view, it's not the federal government, meaning law enforcement's job to deal with the mental health issue. It's our job to forward the issue where it needs to go. Once we determine that there's no criminal behavior, we have to move this thing on and consider it just another report.
BROWN: All right, Matthew Horace, Terry Lyles, thank you very much for sharing your very important perspectives on this story.
And the last people who should have been concerned about the suspect's red flags were those in Fort Lauderdale, a city nearly 5,000 miles from his home state of Alaska, a country apart but yet the place he chose to strike. Mayor Barbara Sharief of Broward County, Florida joins me now. Mayor, thank you for coming on. Do investigators have any idea as to why this gunman chose to attack the airport in your city of Fort Lauderdale?
BARBARA SHARIEF, BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA MAYOR: At this time, the investigators have not released any information as to motive, but I can tell you that they have said that it was a random attack and he was acting alone.
BROWN: But do you know if he has been to Florida before? What his involvement has been in your state, in your city?
SHARIEF: In previous reports that I have been privy to and I've heard that they have said that he had some connections here in South Florida and that he had been here before.
BROWN: But you can't elaborate on what that was and why he may have targeted that area?
SHARIEF: No, I cannot.
BROWN: OK. After the shooting, we saw images of hundreds of people running on to the tarmac. Was this all part of the disaster plan? Did everything go the way it was supposed to because I spoke to one witness yesterday who said the airport officers seem to not know what to do initially and it was pure chaos.
SHARIEF: Well, I would have to disagree with that statement. So initially, when the shooting started, the officers and the staff within the terminal were securing in place and moving the passengers out of harm's way as they should have done with active shooter training.
After the officers had cleared a path toward the shooter and began the take down process, there were passengers that were sheltered in place and in a safe area down on the floor where they had told them to stay and some of those passengers after looking at whatever news programs or video that was going on regarding the possibility of a second shooter, began to get up and run.
At that point, some passengers went through the baggage distribution connector and -- yes, it's a baggage claim area, but they went through the baggage distributor, you know, the conveyor belt, the opening. And so they went through the opening which led them out into the tarmac and then basically the panic started again and our staff had to do the best that they could to try to keep people out of harm's way.
And so eventually some opened up the emergency exits and went on to the tarmac, but that was not part of our emergency plan. And so we had to kind of adapt and adjust to that during this situation. But I must say that all of our law enforcement personnel, all of our airport personnel, they acted with the utmost safety and protection of the passengers in mind and I couldn't say enough how well of a job that they did.
[17:15:00] BROWN: I talked to the Florida state senator yesterday, Greg Steeby and he told me that in his view, if people had been open carrying in the airport, that he thinks there would have been fewer casualties. In fact he's going to be introducing a bill that would allow people to carry guns in airports, now gun free zones, do you agree with him?
SHARIEF: Absolutely not. I think at this point in time, guns have no business in our airports. I think that our congressmen and women and our state legislatures need to be looking hard at some of these existing laws that allowed Mr. Santiago to get this gun into our airport. You know, maybe it would be a good idea, even if a person can check a weapon, that they not be allowed to check ammunition as well.
BROWN: And I just want to ask you this because you are a registered nurse. You have trained for these kinds of situations. There are still some victims in the hospital right now. What is the most important thing when treating trauma victims?
SHARIEF: Well, as you know, that with any gunshot wound, the most imminent thing is that the loss of blood and so those victims who had suffered gunshot wounds and injuries as a result of this shooter, they were triaged as quickly as possible to area hospitals based on their acuity and based on the life threatening nature of their injuries.
BROWN: And I just want to recap as we wrap up this segment because I know you're very busy, mayor. You had mentioned earlier that the gunman had visited the area before. Can you just tell us again what you know about that, his prior visits?
SHARIEF: The only thing that I can tell you is that they said that he had some contact here in terms of family members and that he had been here previously and in the past and in the recent past.
BROWN: To Fort Lauderdale, specifically, correct?
SHARIEF: And the Miami area.
BROWN: The Miami area. And you said the recent past and this is what law enforcement has told you, correct. SHARIEF: Correct.
BROWN: All right, Mayor Barbara Sharief, thank you very much.
SHARIEF: Thank you.
BROWN: And ahead this hour, terror in Jerusalem. A driver plows a truck into a group of soldiers killing four people, details on his possible ties to ISIS.
Plus in the hot seat, president-elect Donald Trump's cabinet picks set to face confirmation hearings this week. We'll talk about the potential hurdles just ahead.
And then later, Hollywood royalties, celebs descend on the Beverly Hilton head of tonight's Golden Globes. We will take you live at the red carpet. You are live with the CNN NEWSROOM, stay with us.
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BROWN: Back to the CNN NEWSROOM. I have to warn you, I have some very graphic video here and it's from the horror seen today in Jerusalem when an attacker plowed a large truck into a crowd of Israeli soldiers.
BROWN: It happened not far from the old city walls in Jerusalem, four soldiers were killed. At least 10 others were hurt. Behind the wheel of that truck, a man the Israeli prime minister now calls a terrorist, possibly sympathetic to ISIS. Israeli police shot and killed that driver. In Jerusalem right now, CNN's Oren Lieberman, and Oren, what more can you tell us what happened today?
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well let me walk you through what happened here. It was about 1:30 p.m. local time here on what was a beautiful if slightly chilly day in Jerusalem when police say this truck driver driving along the (INAUDIBLE) walkway, which is quite a popular walkway that overlooks and quite beautiful view of the old city of Jerusalem.
Police say the driver turned his truck off the road there, and plowed straight into a group of soldiers that were getting off a bus for an educational and cultural tour on Sunday afternoon. Police say in the ensuing attack, four Israeli soldiers were killed, all in their 20's. Three females and one male as well as more than a dozen others injured. Police say the driver, who was from a nearby neighborhood, the Palestinian neighborhood of Jaber Mukaber in East Jerusalem were shot and killed at the scene.
As for the follow on investigation, that immediately became the focus of police. They've arrested nine suspects, five of which they say are family members of the attacker and that is the focus of the efforts now, trying to figure out was this a lone wolf attacker? Was this attack planned in advance? Who owned the truck? That will be part of what police are trying to figure out now.
Investigators -- in the meantime, they've blocked off access to that neighborhood as they focus on trying to figure out whether this was, again, a lone wolf attack or whether the web expanded even bigger than that, Pamela
BROWN: And why are officials so convinced that the attacker had ties to ISIS? Is it what family members have told authorities?
LIEBERMANN: Well, authorities haven't been specific about that. It was in fact Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who said that when he visited the scene, saying from what we understand, that is from what the Israeli government understands of the attacker, he was a supporter of ISIS.
Now, we spoke with the Israeli police spokesperson who said this isn't some new ISIS cell. There are in fact as far as police know, no ISIS cells in Israel, in Jerusalem or the West Bank, but he was a supporter of, which is to say -- police say he may have looked at ISIS websites online or social media, and that is the bigger concern here for Israeli authorities, and that is actually been a larger crackdown over the past few months.
Israeli authorities focusing on social media in segment, what the education minister here called "viral terrorism, incitement and inspiration for attacks carried out on social media." That will be the efforts of police to try to pinpoint who may post something like that online and perhaps more importantly, who may act on something like that, something online. We've heard it called self-radicalizing from just reading the internet. That I think is what Netanyahu was referring to when he said an ISIS supporter.
BROWN: All right, Oren Liebermann reporting for us in Jerusalem. Thank you very much. And coming up on this Sunday afternoon, a busy week on Capitol Hill, as a handful of the president-elect's cabinet picks will face confirmation hearings. But the office of government ethics is raising the red flag with some. We'll explain here live at the CNN NEWSROOM.
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BROWN: In just two days, confirmation hearings begin for President- elect Donald Trump's Cabinet picks. But one agency says several of Trump's nominees have not been properly vetted yet and Democrats are outraged. The problem, the office of government ethics has not received the nominees' financial disclosure information. Incoming Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer is accusing Republicans of trying to "gem free nominees" (ph). Let's bring in CNN's Ryan Noble. So how are Republicans and team Trump responding to this, Ryan?
RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRSPONDENT: Well, not surprisingly Pam. They believe this is much ado over nothing. They said that this is just part of the process and that all of these incoming nominees will have the proper paper work in place in due time.
While they didn't guarantee that paperwork would all be in place before their hearings start this week and that first line of hearings starts on Tuesday. But the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, he argued this morning on CBS that it really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things and this is just Democrats trying to cause problems. Take a listen.
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MITCH MCCONNELL, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: At least five of the nominees have all of their papers in. What this is about, John, that Democrats are really frustrated that they lost the election. I was in Senator Schumer's position eight years ago. I know how it feels when you're coming into a new situation that the other guys won the election. What did we do? We confirmed seven cabinet appointments that day President Obama was sworn in. We didn't like most of them either, but he won the election.
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NOBLE: And that's the point the Republicans are really pushing. They believe that they have what they're calling an all-star group of nominees that president-elect Trump has put in place and they expect speedy confirmations for this group of cabinet officials. In fact, they pointed to the fact that those seven cabinet nominees were put in place on the day that President Obama was inaugurated back in 2009. They're hoping that Democrats extended the same courtesy to them that they did to President Obama eight years ago, Pam.
BROWN: All right. And I want to switch gears quickly because when it comes to his powerful unofficial advisers, if you want to call them that, is his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. And he is reportedly chasing a Chinese business deal while he eyes a potential White House job. What are you hearing about this?
[17:30:00] NOBLE: Yes. This could be a difficult issue for Donald Trump to wade through in the early days of his administration and you can bet he's going to get some tough questions about this during his first press conference since being elected president on Wednesday.
And this essentially stems from a "New York Times" report that talks about Jared Kushner, who is the head of a pretty big real estate empire that was initially started by his father in a meeting with a Chinese businessman days after the election, closing a deal for a major investment on basically the prized property of the Kushner business empire in Manhattan.
Now, Kushner's lawyers told the "New York Times" that he too is in the process of removing himself from his business interests and this investment in particular, but we don't know yet what Kushner's job will be if he's even going to take a job in the White House --
NOBLE: -- and then also how he plans to remove himself specifically from his business interests. All the we know for sure Pam is that he and his wife Ivanka have started the process of moving here to Washington, D.C. We hope to learn more about what his official role will be in the coming days.
BROWN: I hope you'll keep us posted on that. Ryan Nobles, thank you so much.
NOBLES: Thank you.
BROWN: And this week, CNN has a lot planned. Tomorrow night, Chris Cuomo hosts a town hall with Bernie Sanders that airs at 9:00 p.m. eastern. And then on Thursday, Jake Tapper hosts a town hall with House Speaker Paul Ryan. That airs at 9:00 eastern. Both right here on CNN. Stay with us. Be back in just a moment.
BROWN: Well, president-elect Donald Trump have something planned for this Wednesday that he hasn't done since last July. That would be a news conference. If he doesn't cancel like he did in December, he'll take questions from members of the media, the people he often calls dishonest and deceitful. A topic likely to come early and often, Trump's position on U.S.-Russian relations and his insistence that Russian hackers had no real effect on the November election. A Trump top aide mentioned at this morning on CNN.
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[17:35:03] KELLYANN CONWAY, TRUMP ADVISER: I don't want any of your viewers to be misled into thinking that somehow the Kremlin and the Republican Party or the -- that they -- the Kremlin was dealing with any of the hackers in bringing that information back to Moscow and somehow that anybody who allegedly attempted to infiltrate (ph) our election actually did.
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BROWN: All right, Peter Bergen is our national security analyst and I've read your recent op-ed, Peter, where you say that Trump was wrong when he compared the CIA's conclusions about election hacking to the pre-Iraq war WMD intelligence, why do say tha?
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, we know now, you know, after the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction fiasco, much of the information came from a defector who basically said he made the whole thing up. He said that Saddam Hussein had a biological weapons program and then later said I just made it up and that other information came from somebody who was tortured in Egyptian custody. So, we now know as, you know, as of Friday, we have the unclassified version of the brief that president-elect Trump was given on Friday at 12:30.
And clearly, you know, there's a lot of while not exactly evidence because it's the unclassified version. You know, this clearly a compelling case and I think we can tell it's a compelling case because Donald Trump himself issued I think, you know, a fairly conciliatory statement on Friday afternoon saying yes, there was some form of hacking. Yes, the DNC was attacked. It didn't have an effect on the election and I'll look into it when I'm in office. BROWN: And your belief is that in this case, there is a concrete
digital footprint that was used in making the assessment versus intelligent sources you lied in the previous case. Trump tweeted this weekend after the assessment was given to him -- briefed to him. He tweeted, "It's a good thing to have a good relationship with Russia, and then only quote, stupid people would think that that would be bad." Is there a concern at all in the security community that you've been speaking with people that taking such a good or stupid attitude towards U.S. relations, is there a concern about that?
BERGEN: Well, there certainly was a big concern that there might be, you know, one of the biggest ruptures that anybody could recall during a presidential transition if Donald Trump maintains his position, that Russians weren't involved in this hacking and it might be a 400-pound guy in New Jersey.
Now clearly he's changed that position, so that's a good thing. So, you know, but I think, you know, if he hadn't changed his position, I think there would have been a lot of concern. But that's also, you know, George W. Bush met with Putin saw into it soul, saw an opportunity there, it didn't happen. Hillary Clinton had a so-called reset with Russia, it didn't happen.
You know, maybe the third time is the charm or maybe not because Putin has behaved pretty systematically, which is invading neighboring countries, you know, trying to interfere in our own election and other people's elections, and this won't be the end of it. This is never a Democrat-Republican issue.
We'll have another set of elections in two years. Will the Republicans have their own information made public because suddenly they're seen by the Soviet -- by the Russian intelligence (INAUDIBLE) as somehow less sympathetic. You know, so that's why some many Republican leaders have expressed real reservations about what has happened and want to continue investigating.
As you know, Pam, we'll be seeing more investigations on Capitol Hill this week. There'll be the confirmation hearing of the CIA director Mike Pompeo. That will be another opportunity for a discussion of these issues. They're not going to go away.
BROWN: And I just want to go back to that point you made that, I mean, who's to say that the Russians won't turn on Republicans if they view them as unfavorable. We know from this declassified report and from sources we have spoken with that the Russians actually did hack into some Republican affiliated groups or individuals and stole information, but as we know only released information on Democrats. Could this mean Russia and Putin might have leverage over the Trump administration? Is there a concern about that?
BERGEN: Well, certainly it's a fact. It seems that the Russians do have communications from Republican operatives. They haven't been released. Might they release them at some later date?
BROWN: Now that's the big question. Peter Bergen, thank you very much for your analysis. BERGEN: Thank you.
BROWN: Coming up on this Sunday, the president-elect hits pause on his transition to give a sworn deposition. A closer look at his feud with a celebrity chef.
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JOSE ANDRES, CHEF: We are not supposed to mention him until he doesn't apologize to every Latino, to every Mexican, to every woman, to every veteran and to any person that he has insulted.
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BROWN: So instead of spending time preparing for his presidency, Donald Trump found himself answering questions in a legal deposition on Thursday. It had to do with the lawsuit he filed against this celebrity chef right here, Jose Andres. He backed out on plans to open a restaurant in Trump's Washington hotel because of disparaging comments Trump made about Mexicans during the campaign in his view.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT: They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists and some I assume are good people.
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BROWN: So after Trump made those comments, he backed out. I want to bring in Michael Daly, special correspondent for "The Daily Beast." He joins me now. Michael, Bill Clinton was the first and only sitting U.S. president to be deposed in the famous -- an infamous I should say -- Paula Jones case. Could Trump become the first sitting president to actually take the witness stand if the suit and counter suit go forward? What could happen here?
MICHAEL DALY, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, THE DAILY BEAST: I mean, you know, it's in the Paula Jones case which went all the way to the Supreme Court that basically said that, you know, even a president can be held accountable for private behavior. So that would mean if this suit continues, then he will be treated as anybody else would, and it's interesting that he hasn't settled it. The chef has tweeted and said that he would like to settle in a friendly manner and you know, both sides could give to charity and it sounds to me like a very sensible way to resolve it.
[17:45:00] And you got to ask yourself, why isn't he? His people said well, you know, if he settles this one, then there'll be a million other suits, but he nearly got elected he settled the Trump University suit for $25 million. So, I was trying to figure out why, and I read the deposition -- there's also another chef that he has a case with. And as we (INAUDIBLE) deposition and he gets down to, he says, well,
I've been around a lot of landlord-tenant things and no matter they say terrible things about each other and they fight like cats and dogs, but the tenant always pays the rent. And I wonder if we kind of found some bedrock principle that this real estate president we have lives by. It's kind of tenant for tenants.
BROWN: So, you mentioned Jose Andres, you know, tweeting about this -- tweeting @Trump saying, look, let's just go ahead and give this money to charity. Trump, as we know about the deposition and everything on Thursday, what can you tell us about what he said so far publicly or privately about this?
DALY: That deposition I don't know. I assume it's very similar to the deposition he had regarding the other chef.
BROWN: Right. So what can you tell us about that?
DALY: Well, he said that basically, you know, the rent's the rent. He was -- the lawyer said well, you know, your daughter says you're smart because you don't do e-mails and then Trump said, well everybody's kind of finally figuring that out.
And you know, in some ways, he's a very kind of engaging guy because he actually doesn't kind of bob and weave so much as you might expect in a deposition. And basically, he's the landlord. He wants his rent. I mean that's basically what the deposition says. And he says that he was surprised that there was that reaction to his remarks. He said that he didn't really anticipate this kind of reaction to those remarks. He didn't really think about it before hand and that it's kind of just politics and --
BROWN: And then his view, right, he felt like, look, you know, I got all the way to being the Republican nominee, clearly they weren't that bad, right. I mean, I'm sort of --
DALY: Right, that's exactly -- I mean, you're right, that's the most interesting kind of reasoning in there, is like, how bad could I be if I got elected?
DALY: If all these people are voting for me, how bad could those things I said be? And you think, all right. But then you look and you think of young Andres, when he was in the Spanish Navy, he's a teenager, he's sailing into New York harbor, he's up in the mast of a Spanish training ship and he sees the statue of Liberty and he sees hundreds of boats with American flag and he looks at the flag and he later says that the stars seemed to be the stars that could guide you through your life.
And then a couple of years later, he arrives in America on a work visa with $50 and some cooking knives and the next thing you know is he has 20 restaurants. And I think one of the big moment of his life was in 2014 when he and his wife became American citizens and he tweeted about that and he seemed like the happiest guy who ever tweeted. And you balance that against Trump saying, well, how bad could it be?
And the answer really is, if it offends a guy as decent as Andres, and defends a lot of people who come here with that all American dream, then it is that bad. That's my feeling.
BROWN: All right, well, Michael Daly, we'll continue to see how this plays out. Thank you so much.
DALY: Thank you.
BROWN: Big screen and small screen actors and actresses are dressing to the nines tonight. Stephanie Elam is live in Beverly Hills to tell us why -- I have to be honest Stephanie, I am so envious of your assignment. Not that I don't like mine right now, but you've got a pretty cool gig right now.
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think we both have pretty cool gigs right now, Pam. And take a look at this. These are the three people who know who the winners of the Golden Globes will be tonight. You see, she has bedazzled, bejeweled handcuffs on. You cannot get away with this. We will find out what everyone is expected to hear because we won't find out the winners until the show coming off after the break.
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BROWN: Well, the entertainment award season officially kicks off tonight with the 74th Annual Golden Globe Awards. The Hollywood Foreign Press Association unveils its choices for the best of television and film and could give a boost to movies looking for an Oscar nod this year. "La La Land" and "Moonlight" garnered the most Globe nominations amongst movies. I want to bring in my colleague, CNN's Stephanie Elam. She is hanging out with all the stars in the red carpet of Beverly Hills. She joins us now. What buzz are you hearing as we get closer to the ceremony?
ELAM: Well, you're right Pam, this is the show that people come to because this is where maybe the casual Hollywood people who want to just kind of know what's going on there. This is where they start to read the tea leaves about what they happen as award shows continue to unfold over the next two months. And right now the ones that we are hearing a lot about are "La La Land", which I don't know if you have seen yet, but it is a very fun trip.
It's like an old school musical for a modern era. That's one that people are really hoping does well for a lot of people here because it was filmed in L.A. and a lot of the creativity that went into it. And then on the dramatic side, you have movies like "Manchester by the Sea", a very moving, dramatic story. Also "Lion," an adoption story, and then also "Moonlight" which has the most nominations on the dramatic side there, which is the movie that I saw not knowing what I was going to see and I absolutely loved that movie.
So, those are the ones people are looking to see here. At this point on the carpet, Pam, I can tell you that stars are starting to arrive from both television and film. We're starting to see them get here. The good news is that the rain decided to come yesterday and tomorrow
and so it is dry here, actually a little warm on the red carpet. So we're starting to see people coming with their beautiful gowns and their tuxedos making their way down the red carpet. But it is a very fun day here. This is what is known as Hollywood's biggest party because of the fact that it's a little bit relaxed. It's a little bit looser. People are still dressed up, but they can enjoy a drink perhaps whether enjoying the show and have a bite to eat while the show is going on. So, that's what make this is one a little different than the other award shows, Pam.
BROWN: Sounds lovely. So do you have any predictions of your own for tonight? You said you saw one of the movies and loved it. Like to share?
[17:55:00] ELAM: There are a few that I like. I have to say, "This Is Us" was a show that I got into late but it ends really good, and so I would not be surprised if that it show does well. Also "West World" is another one that has been a very interesting one.
It's a little bit of a twisty road but if you get into it, a lot of people love that show as well. So a lot of different shows, new shows coming into the scene this year and many believe that the Hollywood Foreign Press likes to reward these new shows that are creative so we'll see if that happens this year.
BROWN: I might as well need to get up to speed with all these new shows. Stephanie Elam, thank you so much. We'll check back in with you.
ELAM: Thanks Pam.
BROWN: Coming up at the top of the hour, chilling new video from inside the Fort Lauderdale airport. We'll show it to you. Stay with us. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
BROWN: Top of the hour now on this Sunday. I'm Pamela Brown in Washington in for Poppy Harlow. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. And we begin with traumatic and unsettling new video at the Fort Lauderdale airport shooting showing the moment the gunman opens fire killing five people and wounding six.
This footage is disturbing. If you prefer to look away, do so now, but we think it's important to understanding this brazen attack. And let me first explain what you're going to see. This is a freeze frame from the video obtained by TMZ.
[18:00:00] It appears to be security camera footage from inside the baggage claim area and you could see the shooter here in the blue shirt.