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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

Caregiver Beats, Curses 94-year-old Patient; Father Seeks Tougher Sentence for Son`s Attacker; Mom Charged with Murder; "Catwoman" Ditching Condo After Arrest; "How It Really Happened with Hill Harper" premieres on HLN; Dash Cam Video Captures Train Slamming Into Truck; Truck Crashes into Police SUV. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired January 25, 2017 - 20:00:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told you to stop feeding that dog that human food!

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST (voice-over): Heartbreaking abuse, slap after slap.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you keep feeding that dog human food?

BANFIELD: A caregiver gets rough with an elderly patient.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shut (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up!

BANFIELD: But now she`s running scared, and police want to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Completely uncalled for.

BANFIELD: You put your kids on the bus and hope they`re safe when they get off. Not when this kid`s waiting. A schoolmate violently stomps another

boy`s head. Now the attacker`s mom says, Give him a break. He`s not so bad.

CHLOE, MICKAL LADD`S STEPMOTHER: Mickal has a very big heart. He cares for others.

BANFIELD: Not one, but two 12-year-old boys die under their mother`s watch, one a suicide, the other a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was halfway under that blanket.

BANFIELD: Why police say a third child may have escaped just in time.

The tabloids call her Catwoman. And seeing her in pictures, it`s no wonder why. Now Jocelyn Wildenstein (ph) is making the papers again, this time,

her dingy (ph) court appearance has made way for glitzy real estate woes.

Would you believe this driver isn`t drunk or smoking weed? What cops say he was on before ramming their cruiser...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He just rammed the police officer!

BANFIELD: ... will have you seeing white (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) his tail pipe rolled over the truck.

BANFIELD: A biker calls it his wild (ph) ride ever. What happened next no one could see coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God! Mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!

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BANFIELD: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

No one, and I mean no one, deserves to be beaten, not a wife, not a husband, not a child, and not an elderly woman who cannot defend herself.

But that is exactly what happened at the home of a 94-year-old senior citizen in Houston. Her family says that they had an inkling something was

wrong. After all, why would there be so many bruises on her body?

So they did something brilliant. They installed this video camera inside the home to watch her caretaker, the woman they hired to keep her safe, to

help her manage. But that is not what they saw after checking the tape the next day.

And I want to warn you about the video we`re about to show you because even the officers investigating this case called it extremely disturbing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s time to go to bed. Pick up that paper (ph). I told you to stop feeding that dog that human food! You have another $4,000

to put that dog back in the hospital? Why do you keep feeding that dog human food? Huh? Why do you? Huh?

Get that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) from there! Get up! Get your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up and go to bed! Go to bed, damn it! I told you to stop feeding

that dog human food. Go to bed!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said why do you feed that dog human food? Why do you keep feeding the dog human food?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t do it!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shut the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up. Yes, you did. Stop lying to me!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What? Stop (EXPLETIVE DELETED) lying to me! I know you gave it to her. You gave it to her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go to bed and shut the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up! Go to bed! Stop feeding that dog. (INAUDIBLE) Stop lying to me! You hear me?

Thank you!

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[20:05:08]BANFIELD: Police are now looking for this woman. Her name is Brenda Floyd. She is the person that the police say is in the video

repeatedly slapping, hitting, cursing that 94-year-old woman. And that woman has dementia, too. That senior citizen has dementia. They want to

get this woman in custody before it`s possible she hurts anyone again.

Assistant police chief Ray Schultz joins me live now. He`s with the Memorial Villages Police Department in Houston. Assistant Chief, thank you

so much. I`m hearing that dozens of tips are now pouring in. Are you any closer to finding her?

ASST. CHIEF RAY SCHULTZ, MEMORIAL VILLAGES PD (via telephone): Well, unfortunately, not yet. But we have detectives throughout the Houston

area. We`ve been following leads all day, since early this morning.

And just about 35 minutes ago, we received some information that someone believes they saw her in Lafayette, Louisiana, trying to get some public

assistance from a facility there. So we`re reaching out to the authorities there. We believe she`s probably most likely in the eastern Texas or

Louisiana area. But like everybody else, we definitely want to get her in custody and hold her accountable for what she did.

BANFIELD: Is it true that you believe she might have friends out there who are harboring her as she hides from the law, after we watched what

happened?

SCHULTZ: We know she knows quite a few people in the Louisiana area. We`ve talked to some of her family here. They have not heard anything from

her. So it`s pretty obvious to us that she`s gone in hiding.

One of the unique things about this case is we`re looking for a vehicle that she may be driving. It`s a 1999 white Lexus four-door that the

victim`s family actually helped her buy in order to come and provide services for the mother. So just a truly heartbreaking situation here, and

to have her out again is something that we want -- we want to get her in custody as soon as possible.

BANFIELD: You know, Assistant Chief, what you just said is such an astounding part of this story, that the family of this 94-year-old woman

bought the woman on the tape, who is seen abusing her, a Lexus. And we are told that they had quite a long relationship, that this caregiver lived in

the home with the victim and had been living there and been taking care of her for years.

SCHULTZ: Yes. She provided round-the-clock service for six days a week. The family really trusted her. They believed in her. She was very

religious. And they thought she was taking real good care of their mother.

But they also noticed that the mother seemed to be afraid of her, and they had started to notice some bruises, primarily on her arms, in some places

that they just couldn`t explain. Unfortunately, because of the advanced state of dementia, communication with the victim was not real solid. And

they just couldn`t answer a lot of questions. So a $100 camera told them a lot more than they really wanted to know (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: And we`re seeing the video, Assistant Chief, with CRIMESTOPPERS. And I can`t -- this is not the first time I`ve heard of this or seen it.

It actually happened to a friend of my family`s. And It is so critical to monitor the care of your elderly loved ones, and a camera is a brilliant

way to do it. We talk about nannycams all the time for our little children who are defenseless. We need the same thing out there for our elderly

citizens, especially if they have dementia. And you know what? You`re right They do fear saying anything that could get them into further

trouble.

You have found this woman, Brenda Floyd -- you found her daughter. What does her daughter say about all this?

SCHULTZ: Well, obviously, the daughter is as disturbed as anybody else is. She tells us that she has not heard anything from her mother. She doesn`t

know where she is. We`ve asked that should her mother make contact with her to please encourage her to turn herself in.

BANFIELD: This elderly victim -- what do you know about her current condition? How is she doing, and where is she?

SCHULTZ: She`s still in the family home. Obviously, the family is very, very concerned. And one of the things they really encourage us to do is

they wanted us to share this information with the rest of the public. As you said just a few moments ago, it`s so important to know what`s going on

when you`re not there, if someone else is taking care, again, of an elderly parent, a child or even your animals, that this stuff can be happening.

And it`s easy to feel comfortable, especially with a long-term caregiver. But again, they want this story to get out so it doesn`t happen to any

other families anywhere.

BANFIELD: Well, there`s a $5,000 reward right now, if someone who`s watching this can help to bring Brenda Floyd into justice, and $5,000 may

be worth more to whomever out there might be harboring her. And certainly, someone out there knows something about where she is.

I want to bring in defense attorney Hunter Shkolnik, who is putting on a prosecutorial hat today, defense attorney Eric Guster and defense attorney

and CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos are both here, as well.

[20:10:04]Hunter, the charge that they want her on is assault with bodily injury on the elderly or disabled. And it brings in, what, 2 to 20?

HUNTER SHKOLNIK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, it does. And a health care provider who is preying upon a 94-year-old woman, who has been entrusted to

care for this woman and is caught on video doing what she has done, has violated every bit of trust that you would expect from a health care

provider and what any family member would want for their close elderly family member.

BANFIELD: Yes.

SHKOLNIK: And she should be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent.

BANFIELD: If, when she is, and she is facing a judge -- and who knows if she`ll just have to plead this one out. And Eric, here`s my guess. With

evidence like this, you don`t have much going for you but a plea.

ERIC GUSTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You don`t have anything going for you. You have evidence that the police have, and that`s clearly her.

And one thing that`s going to come out in this case, I expect, she probably did this before because when people do things like this, it`s oftentimes a

pattern, especially if she was a home health care nurse and had years of experience. There are probably other people out there who are seeing this

video and are going to come forward.

BANFIELD: I`m going to bring you in on the next story, Danny, but we`re going to continue to watch. As we just said, there are dozens of tips that

have been coming in on this story, so you just never know. Maybe by the end of this show, they will have tracked down one Brenda Floyd, age 59

years old, Memorial Villages, Texas.

For the third time in a week, that accused cop killer that we`re all getting to know so well showed up in court again on charges that stem from

that shooting and the murder of his ex-girlfriend and a police officer. And again, the court appearance ended with Mr. Markeith Loyd doing what he

does best these days, cursing out a judge.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, good morning, sir. This is 2017 MM668AO, state of Florida versus Markeith Loyd. Sir, you`re here on one count of

resisting officer without violence. I`ve reviewed the affidavit, find probable cause. Your bond is set at $500. Thank you.

MARKEITH LOYD, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I`m here for what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

LOYD: I`m here for what? Resisting arrest? You see what happened to me? (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have a good day, sir.

LOYD: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

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BANFIELD: Yes, have a good day, sir, wherever you`re being holed up. You`ll know by now that Markeith Loyd is charged with killing this woman,

Orlando police lieutenant Deborah Clayton. And he`s also charged with killing his ex-pregnant girlfriend, Sade Dixon.

He was captured last week after several weeks on the run. Markeith Loyd will be back, guess where, in court tomorrow. Don`t know if it`s going to

be yet another judge, but that judge who does show up and is on the bench is going to have to decide if he is fit enough to represent himself. So

stay tuned to this space because my guess is we`ll have more tape for you tomorrow.

A father fighting for tough justice does what many parents might consider doing, releases a videotape of the brutal attack of his own son, a son

being beaten by an older teenager after getting off the school bus.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

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BANFIELD: And then there`s this, a Fedex truck with a very bad day for the driver, cut in two by a speeding commuter train. But take a note of the

video. What do you see at the crossing gates? Now they come down! That`s a problem.

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[20:17:44]BANFIELD: One year after a brutal attack on a teenager in Tennessee, that boy`s father is releasing some cellphone video of what

happened during that beating because he`s hoping to get a tougher sentence for the attacker.

This is not your typical high school fight, by any account. Police say, in fact, this young man, Mickal Ladd, jumped the then 16-year-old after the

16-year-old got off the school bus. And this attacker told our affiliate WTVF that it was just typical high school stuff, you know?

But we have the video so that you yourself can check it out and see if it really is the kind of typical high school behavior you remember.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Boy? Boy? Stupid

(EXPLETIVE DELETED) boy. Stupid (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Huh? My bitch

(ph). My bitch. (ph) Matter of fact -- (EXPLETIVE DELETED) there you go.

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BANFIELD: Mickal Ladd pleaded guilty to assault, and he`s expected to be sentenced next month. And by the way, even though he was 17, this was

adult court. His mom told our affiliate WZTV that her son is getting a bad rap.

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CHLOE, MICKAL LADD`S STEPMOTHER: Michael has a very big heart. He cares for others. But at the same time, he`s taught hisself to protect hisself.

And honestly, it`s sad that that`s what the world is now perceiving of my son.

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BANFIELD: Really? Honestly? Really, Mom? Your son jumped a teenager, the way we just saw it on video, a teenager two years younger than him,

stomped on his head with force at least four times, took off the kid`s belt and whipped him with it, calling him boy. He sent that child to the

hospital with a concussion and memory loss.

[20:20:09]Joining me now is that child on the phone. He`s the teenage victim. He does not want to be identified, so we`re calling him S.B. His

father, John, also joins me from Murphreesboro, Tennessee. John, thank you for being with us. And S.B., you`re on the phone with us, so thank you, as

well, for being so brave as to speak with us.

And S.B., I first want to ask you, how are you?

S.B., BEATING VICTIM (via telephone): I`m doing great, actually. It`s a pleasure being on with you guys.

BANFIELD: Well, I appreciate a chance to speak with you. When you hear the mother of Mickal Ladd saying that he`s just getting a bad rap and all

these videos being released might damage his future, how do you feel?

S.B.: It doesn`t make much sense, in my opinion because, I mean, she says he`s defending himself. Like, what`s he defending himself from? I mean, I

was obviously not trying to fight (INAUDIBLE) fight for me (INAUDIBLE) it doesn`t make any sense.

BANFIELD: And Obviously, he`s facing extraordinary charges. As an adult, he could face 15 years in adult prison for this.

S.B.: Yes.

BANFIELD: Did you ever return to school after this happened?

S.B.: Honestly, yes and no. No, because people already know about it. So people always -- like, you know, they`ll bring it back up. Like, it would

come out of nowhere. Like, I`d be eating lunch and, like, Oh, there`s that one kid that everybody saw get beat up. So not only was it, like,

embarrassing, it was, like -- like, it really made my anxiety 10 times worse than it already was, so...

BANFIELD: Do you have any lasting injuries from this attack, S.B.? I know that you had memory loss and concussion. But a year later, is there

anything residual that you`re still suffering from?

S.B.: I get a lot more headaches than I did before, like, really bad headaches. I get them whenever I study or just out of nowhere, like,

really bad headaches.

BANFIELD: I want to ask your dad, John, if I can -- John, it is so heartwrenching to watch this and to imagine you seeing it for the first

time. What did you go through?

JOHN, FATHER OF VICTIM: Well, it was very difficult. I saw it about a year ago at the district attorney`s office. My wife and S.B., my son, have

never seen the video. They don`t want to open themselves up to that level of violence.

BANFIELD: Wow!

JOHN: Very difficult, very amazing.

BANFIELD: Oh, I wasn`t aware of that. And I completely understand. I know that you did have an encounter, however, at the courthouse with Mickal

Ladd. What happened when you actually came face to face with him?

JOHN: Well, there was a plea hearing in Rutherford County. And I had to leave that hearing early. After it was over, my wife, Theresa (ph), walked

out. And Mickal Ladd walked up next to her, inches away from her, walked with her for about a block, not to apologize, but to, I think, intimidate.

BANFIELD: Did he ever utter any apologies in this entire process in the -- you know, in going through the process and pleading guilty, did he say he

was sorry for what he had done to your son?

JOHN: I was not there when he entered his plea. But two days ago, he told a reporter in Nashville. The reporter asked him, Are you sorry? And he

said, No, I don`t regret it. He says it was just high school stuff. And it wasn`t that way when I was in high school.

BANFIELD: I don`t know what his sentence is going to be, but it`s coming in a month. In February, he is set for sentencing. What do you hope it

is? And obviously, it`s not life, so what are you worried about down the road?

JOHN: Well, the assistant district attorney says that he may get probation. Right now, he`s out of jail. And we don`t know what`s going to

happen. The community is at risk. Our family is at risk. And there is a time bomb ticking. We just want him locked up until he changes who he is.

And that may take a while.

BANFIELD: Well, I wish you and your family the best as you recover from this. And certainly, S.B., thank you, on the phone, for being brave and

speaking with us about this. And we`re thinking about you as you go into this sentencing next month. Thank you both.

S.B.: Thank you very much.

BANFIELD: There are some new charges to announce tonight for a mother who is accused of strangling her own son, but not connected to the actual

murder itself because there`s something else going on with this woman. The prosecutors say she assaulted another son of hers, who is still alive. And

there is yet another story about another son who is not.

[20:25:00]And then a driver calls 911 after seeing a man driving like a maniac, swerving on and off the road in front of him. And he is not drunk,

but there is something going on with him.

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BANFIELD: Amy Robertson had three children -- and I emphasize the past tense -- had three children. Her first son, Colby (ph), committed suicide

in 2011. And just 11 days ago, her youngest son, Caden (ph), was found strangled inside the family`s home near Salem, Oregon. Both of the boys

were 12 when they died. Police arrested Amy Robertson and they charged her with killing Caden.

I want you to hear how a neighbor described finding that boy just moments after his death.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I went out there and I told her to calm down. She said OK. I said, Where is your son? She said in the house under the

blanket. I went in the living room, and there was a recliner tipped over, and he was halfway on it, under a blanket. When I pulled the blanket back,

I could tell he was gone!

[20:30:00] I tried to wake him up. He wouldn`t wake up. I ran out and said call an ambulance.

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BANFIELD: The father had fought and won custody of his surviving son. That would be son number three. And he claims that son was abused by Amy

Robertson. Here is what he told the court back in May, months before Caden was killed. I want to read for you what he said, actually, right out of the

court documents.

"There is substantial harm and danger if my son stays in Robertson`s household. Amy is an unfit mother and is placing our son in serious

danger." Now it looks like prosecutors agree. They have added brand new charges on top of those murder charges for that dead child.

There are charges that support what the dad said. Two counts of criminal mistreatment of that third son, the surviving son, the son that escaped

that household because his father was able to get custody.

Joining me again now. Hunter Shkolnik, Eric Guster, and Danny Cevallos. First, I want to check in with Catherine Van. She is a reporter with CNN

affiliate KATU, and she joins me from the crime scene in Keizer, Oregon. There was such strange behavior after the actual killing. And the neighbors

were able to sort of watch this. Have they been helpful in terms of trying to piece together what happened and what Amy`s role in what happened was?

CATHERINE VAN, REPORTER, KATU: A neighbor I spoke to here didn`t know the family too well. But he has a son the same age as Caden Berry, who was 12.

They played together here outside their apartment complex. They went to separate schools. He claims that they were a quiet family. But that day, he

heard the commotion outside his apartment complex.

He was standing right outside the home where police found Caden`s body. He saw the mother being a little eccentric, saying she was hearing things in

her head, something that didn`t seem right. Like I said, he didn`t know the family very well, but he reported that to the police. He was one of the

first people to call 911 that day.

BANFIELD: It`s heartbreaking to hear these neighbors, you know, reporting things like, I don`t know why I did it, I don`t know why I did it. And the

neighbor says that they just called 911 right from that moment. And also the neighbor said that Robertson was saying there was stuff in her head

that made her do this and that it was just a bad scene.

There are elicit charges I would like to put up if I can. She is now charged with aggravated murder. She`s also charged with murder by abuse.

She`s charged with criminal mistreatment in the first degree, two counts for her surviving son.

Danny Cevallos, I want to bring you in on this. The father -- it is very complex that there is a child who committed suicide at age 12. There are

two surviving children. And the father of one of those children, who is not the father of this most recent poor victim who is strangled...

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Right.

BANFIELD: . wanted that child out of that house so badly, he fought for custody and he won it. These are the accusations that he made against Amy

Robertson. That the son is reporting physical abuse from Amy Robertson on numerous occasions. That there`s an open investigation to Amy Robertson,

making his son drop off packages to state inmates who were on a work crew.

And that she has met a state prisoner. She would meet the work van at various locations and have sex with this gentleman while her son, our son

was present. The father got custody of that child. And not long after the third child, this little boy, Caden, was murdered. How is it that you can

make these accusations and it can be serious enough for you to get custody of your boy but another boy is left behind in that household?

CEVALLOS: There`s a couple of reasons why. When it comes to -- I used to handle these kinds of cases in family court. You know, family court often

sees a lot of parents who make accusations and use the family court to hash out their differences.

And the sad result of that is that when there`s a real allegation with real teeth behind it that should be looked at by the courts, by that time the

courts are so used to these cases, they`re jaded and they just sort of let them slip by.

And you get a case -- this is where it is absolutely the most tragic, when the most serious cases sneak by because of all the other cases that are

going on.

BANFIELD: Obviously, I am so curious about this child who committed suicide. And I have no idea what the answer to this is. Would they look

right away to start exhuming that body to see if there`s something else?

SHKOLNIK: Well, I think the prosecutor should be taking steps at this point. There is no question we know she killed the one son. We know she

abused the one who survived. Wouldn`t the first thing the government should be thinking about at this point in time, the prosecutors, is to exhume the

child?

[20:35:00] Let`s see if this was really a case of suicide or was this murder?

BANFIELD: I want to be careful here because right now Amy Robertson is charged with those charges that I put up before. But she has to be

adjudicated. She got to go through her rightful process or due process. It is a very complex story. And there are two dead children in this family and

one who was wrenched away from her by his father. I think we are yet to hear all of the details in this case.

She is best known by a very unusual nickname, cat woman. And now cat woman is selling off a multi-million dollar condo in New York City after a very

public and violent arrest. Let me show you some of the pictures because you may recognize Jocelyn Wildenstein. Jocelyn Wildenstein -- we don`t have the

pictures right away, but if you come back after the break, I promise we`ll have them ready.

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[20:40:00] BANFIELD: Some people are best known by their nickname, the rock, tiger, cat woman. Just six weeks ago, she definitely loves her

plastic surgery. It`s the only way to describe why she looks like this. She is a socialite named Jocelyn Wildenstein. She made massive headlines

because of a domestic violence arrest.

Now, she is making other headline because she is selling -- this is her in court, by the way, from "The Daily Mail." I think this was a showstopper

for a lot of people when she was hauled into court on that domestic violence arrest last month. This is how she showed up. She is now selling a

place that she called her own, a multi-million dollar luxury apartment in Trump Tower in New York City.

You would think she would get real top dollar for it. I can`t even describe the luxury. You think of top New York luxury. It`s that. But she had to

take a hit on it because apparently it`s not in very good shape. Ms. Wildenstein has been charged with felony assault after that whole incident

last month where her boyfriend claims that she clawed at him, actually slashed his chest with a pair of scissors, and used her hands to scratch

him in the face.

He had injuries outside court. This is fashion designer Lloyd Klein. He`s nearly 25 years younger than Jocelyn Wildenstein. He`s also facing some

misdemeanor charges himself in that whole incident. Ms. Wildensteiin is now trying to put those bad memories to rest and maybe get a little cash flow

going because she got a cash flow problems too. So she is selling her 5,000-square-foot apartment complete with all the amenities you are seeing

on your screen.

Wouldn`t that be nice? It`s going at a discount. So bring out your wallet. It`s going for about $13 million. The thing is, it was originally on the

market for $18 million. The price drop, we`re not sure. We don`t know if it has anything to do with what happened inside the condo last month. But we

do know from our sources that it is in really rough condition and needs millions of dollars in repairs and upkeep and renovations, et cetera. That

is one fancy address, folks.

Joining me again, Hunter Shkolnik, Eric Guster, and Danny Cevallos. First, I want to check in with Chris Spargo, who is a reporter for DailyMail.com.

So, yet again, Jocelyn Wildenstein, Chris, makes big headlines for putting this apartment on the market. And I think a lot of people are wondering for

a woman who literally raked in the dough on her divorce at $2.5 billion and $100 million a year for 13 years, that she might have some cash problems.

Is that what the thinking is? Is she struggling for money?

CHRIS SPARGO, REPORTER, DAILYMAIL.COM: She is sort of claiming that she is struggling for money. As you mentioned, she had what is considered to be

one of the most expensive divorce payouts in history getting $2.5 million. She says that her husband`s family stopped paying her in March of 2015.

Before that, she had been receiving a monthly allowance. He actually died in 2008, but they continued to pay her.

As a result, she said she`s actually depending on her boyfriend, Lloyd, who you see on those photos, for money. Then she has hacked him. Now, she`s

looking to sell this apartment, which as you mentioned is not in great shape, and she just lowered the price by $5 million. It`s actually three

apartments, too, on the 51st floor of this building. She blew out all the walls and put it all together. You have a 360-degree view of New York City

here.

BANFIELD: Wow. By the way, she`s no stranger to real estate woes because listen, unless you were living under a rock in this city, you pick up the

New York Post every day and you would read the day-to-day war of the roses saga between her husband, Alec, and her as they divorced in the `90s. Back

then they had a double wide which the rest of us consider a double wide trailer.

They had a double wide -- you`re laughing because you know exactly what I mean. It was a $35 million townhouse back in 2002. but apparently it went

on the market three weeks ago for $100 million. So you can imagine the size of a New York townhouse that`s a double put together.

I mean, the war that went on inside that home with her husband, as they were going through a divorce, partitions being put up, doors being locked,

credit cards being cut, phone lines being cut. This has been an unbelievable saga, sort of a legal real estate saga, this story, for

anybody who knows New York.

SPARGO: Yeah, I mean, it really was sort of the tabloid divorce of the decade when she split with her first husband, which all began when she was

at their 66,000-acre canyon reserve, and said she wanted to come back to their New York townhouse. He said don`t come back. She went back to his

double wide townhouse they have.

And he allegedly pulled a gun on her when she walked in the door. He got thrown in jail, was not allowed to go back to the house. She had the house

to herself. Then she had to get out of the house because he wasn`t giving her enough money to help people cook for her. It was a whole saga.

BANFIELD: So, I think -- Hunter, I want to bring you in on this because the rumors abound. There are very few sort of legitimate court documents that

will attest to what has happened to all this money. But listen, it was attested to that back in the divorce in 1999, she got $2.5 billion.

[20:45:00] Obviously, Alec was loaded. And $100 million per year for 13 years. There`s been some talk about that being crunched down to $100,000

per month. Could you imagine living on that? Wouldn`t that be tough?

SHKOLNIK: It`s going to be very tough for anyone to live on $100,000 a month in New York.

BANFIELD: In New York, right.

SHKOLNIK: Most of us have that, I think.

BANFIELD: You remember this. I mean, you remember this woman plaguing the headlines. And here she is, 20 years later, sort of jumping right back in

with the violence, the real estate issues.

SHKOLNIK: Anyone who lived in New York in 1999 and around that time frame lived their divorce on a daily basis. The pictures on the front page of the

press every day. The fight between them. The allegations of catching the husband in bed with another woman.

BANFIELD: The Russian model.

SHKOLNIK: I wanted to be delicate about it.

BANFIELD: Not just another woman, come on, Hunter.

SHKOLNIK: And pulling a gun on the wife, who walked into the house, and then the fight over the family mansion that she wouldn`t leave.

BANFIELD: Right. And I think if those headlines weren`t big enough, the fact that she went to all these society events to be photographed with, you

know, a face that she admitted she wanted to alter so she could look like a cat. And this is how the surgeries have turned out. There have been

multiple surgeries. She admitted to this. She said she wanted to be a cat.

She has posed like a cat. There`s a slight progression here. It`s even more severe than that when you look at the totality of her surgeries over the

years. She`s this fixture in New York City. No wonder, she has that nickname cat woman. We`ll leave it there. We wish the best for Ms.

Wildenstein in her real estate and her assault woes.

I hope you are not making big plans for this Friday because there is something new coming to HLN. It`s an original series called "How It Really

Happened with Hill Harper. It`s premiering on Friday. And it`s going to look into this country`s most shocking crimes and shocking mysteries too.

We`re going to kick off with the one that you just can`t believe happened, the Menendez brothers, the murder in Beverly Hills.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that all children love their parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trauma to the torso. Parents are like Gods to kids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Immense carnage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he loved me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocking, the amount of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I loved him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This was a horrific crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It sounded like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it a robbery? Was it a gang-related type thing? Was it a mafia-related type thing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who hated them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something wasn`t right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I definitely would have given my life.

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BANFIELD: "How It Really Happened with Hill Harper" is premiering this Friday at 8:00, eastern, right here on HLN. A commuter train smashes right

through a FedEx truck. An incredible head-on and caught on police dash cam. Where were the crossing gates? I see they`re up. That`s not supposed to

happen.

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BANFIELD: You know when you`re driving and see those crossing gates up and you think good to go? You`re not always good to go because this FedEx truck

-- look at the other side. It`s the FedEx truck over there I want you to watch. The crossing gates are up. The FedEx truck is coming by, passing

each other two FedEx trucks, who knew, and now watch.

There`s a train coming from the left. It is not going to be good. It literally split the FedEx truck in two. And those crossing arms, we can all

see it. They were clearly up. There were no lights. There were no ding dings. How was anyone to know especially a big long truck with a lot of

cargo in the back that you`re not good to go?

The weirdest part was after the crash, the arms came down, like, oh yeah, you better stop now, because there is an accident on the truck. So Danny,

to me, this looks like, they, the FedEx people, are not going to get their packages necessarily.

CEVALLOS: No, I`ve been tracking one. Now, I know, I think, what happened, yeah.

BANFIELD: Now, I know why my shampoo bottle was all pierced when I got it.

CEVALLOS: Right.

BANFIELD: Do they have a case against the authorities, like, literally.

CEVALLOS: You`ll be surprised, in Utah especially, the law is pretty favorable towards railroads when it comes to railroad crossings.

BANFIELD: Really?

CEVALLOS: Whether or not they have to put in a signal. However, if you do put in a signal and you have this video evidence not only of it not working

but malfunctioning and it came down after the fact, that is what we call a slum dunk in civil liability.

BANFIELD: I know that this next -- I so can`t believe when I see this. I know in this next story, there is going to be some liability because in

Hammond, Louisiana, there is this brother and sister driving, Kyle Nadler and his sister. They have a dash cam rolling and they`re calling 911

because the fellow in front of them is bobbing and weaving and they`re worried something is going to happen. And you know what? They were right.

Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s like a Silver Dodge.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Weaving back and forth off the median on the left side, and weaving on the right side.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Louisiana license plate V95.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, crap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, oh, oh, he`s about to hit a -- oh, my God! Stop, stop, stop. He`s just rammed the police officer.

BANFIELD: Yeah, did he ever peak inside that driver`s window as we go by in slow mo and you might just get a look at Bradley Burch behind the wheel.

Well, Bradley, you`re in big trouble fella, because the police say that you were impaired on heroin when you hit that guy, a police officer.

[20:55:00] Watch that video again so we can see Bradley Burch as he is allegedly on heroin, bobbing and weaving, and about to smash into a

cruiser. He was arrested for DWI, reckless operation, and driving with suspended license. By the way, that trooper was sitting there waiting

because of the number of 911 call. Quick comment. He`s going to be in big trouble since this is on video.

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GUSTER: Oh, he`s definitely in big trouble but what happens -- what is very important here is, did they get a blood test to prove he was on heroin?

BANFIELD: Oh.

GUSTER: Because if you have DUR or DWI, you have to have a blood test to prove that they`re wrong.

BANFIELD: Okay. And Hunter, if they did?

SHKOLNIK: We heard it before, it`s a slam dunk case.

BANFIELD: Slam dunk.

SHKOLNIK: He is positive on heroin, he hits a police officer, he`s got the video.

BANFIELD: Do you know what I love? I love the fact that more people are putting dash cams or rolling their iPhone, not when you`re driving,

actually rolling their iPhone as they are driving and catching these things. They are evidence. And you`re right, they make slam dunk cases.

Thanks, guys. Thank you for watching, everyone. See you back here tomorrow night, 8:00 o`clock, PRIMETIME JUSTICE. "FORENSIC FILES" starts right after

this break.

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