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Attack Outside UK Parliament Investigated As Terrorism; White House Holds Press Briefing. Aired 1:30-2p ET

Aired March 22, 2017 - 13:30   ET

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[13:30:00] ALAN PARRY, EYEWITNESS TO UK ATTACK (via telephone): I assume the best that maybe the driver did have a tire blowout or mounted the pavement accidentally or that may be there's a cyclist. Because the Central London these days is crawling with cyclist.

It was only really to my eyes when I heard the three gunshots that I realized this was something a lot, lot more serious. Scary on reflection at that time. I think it just a self-preservation kicks in and I cleared away as on the area as quickly as I could. I didn't need the policeman to tell me to get out of the way.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, fortunately you're OK. Alan Parry, an eyewitness to this incident nearly three hours ago. Thanks so much for your eyewitness account. We really appreciate it.

PARRY (via telephone): You're welcome.

BLITZER: You know, as Nic Robertson's is still with us, our International Diplomatic Editor. He is on the scene. He's right in front of Parliament right now.

I know you've been working your sources. You are getting more information for our viewers right now. First of all I want you to update our viewers on what we know.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: At this stage, Wolf, one person has been killed. There are 10 injured. That a woman, an injured woman, who was injured, has been recovered from the river. Her injuries are being treated at this time.

We know the attacker drove his off-road type vehicle into the exterior wall at the houses of parliament on the Westminster Bridge and, in doing so, he struck a number of pedestrians. I'm going to step out of the way to complete this story for you. The driver, the attacker gets out of the car and runs around the corner, and if you can see the picture there, the police vehicles, the cluster of offices, that is the gate into New Palace Yard. That's where the attacker, armed with a knife, ran in and he was accosted and halted by armed police officers. That's where one of the police officers, of the attacker, were being treated by the emergency services.

But some of the other details just coming in, Wolf -- and I'll update you with them as I have them here -- a tweet from the French prime minister who says that French students were injured in London. This is coming from the French Prime Minister, Bernard Cazeneuve. He says that on Twitter. He doesn't say how many students. But that's the first beginning of identifications we've had.

And just to give our viewers a little bit of context about the preparedness of the police counterterrorism forces here in London and the readiness that they have and the high level of alert that they are on, just this past weekend, on Sunday, 200 police officers took part in a massive training exercise in case of a terrorist attack on the river. Of course, the river is running right by the House of Parliament. This was a training exercise, not linked to any specific information, but a training exercise based on the assumption that terrorists had taken over a boat on the River Thames. And this was an exercise to secure the boat, neutralize any terrorists on board that boat. That, Wolf, that training took place just three days ago. That is how ready the police are in London. Routinely, they do these training exercises. This one just in the past few days here, Wolf?

BLITZER: It's a serious situation. And once again, from your vantage point, the lockdown continues. We're approaching a few minutes. Exactly three hours since shots were fired, the incident was unveiled. Three hours later, that lockdown remains in full force, is that right?

ROBERTSON: Absolutely. There's no taking down of any of the tape, even at this far distant from the -- at the perimeter, this far distant. It's not armed officers on the outer cordon of the perimeter. And we see armed officers still close to the scene of the attack.

The emergency services, the police, the ambulance said that they want to keep this area clear because they want to be able to get emergency vehicles in and out. We still see additional vehicles arriving. In the last few minutes, we have seen that but of course, this is a crime scene. Forensic examination will be required as well as talking to the witnesses, the M.P.s and others, who are within the parliament buildings, who may have had a vantage point and some piece of useful information.

As we know, the police at the moment are saying that they have an open mind to what caused this. They say that until they get further information, they are treating it as a terror attack. They are following a number of different lines of investigation. So I think we can expect this cordon to be in place for quite some time yet into the evening here, Wolf.

[13:05:00] BLITZER: We just got a statement in, Nic, from U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. Let me read it. This is on the attack in London. "On behalf of the United States, I express my condolences to the victims and their families. The American people send their thoughts and prayers to the people of the United Kingdom. We condemn these horrific acts of violence. And whether they were carried out by troubled individuals or by terrorists, the victims know no difference."

That statement from Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State.

Paul Cruickshank is with us as well, our terrorism analyst.

I know, Paul, you've been monitoring social media. Any terror organization out there claiming responsibility?

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: No, there's not been any formal claim of responsibility from any terrorist organization at all. British authorities still don't know what the motive was here.

But this attack had many of the hallmarks of an ISIS-inspired or ISIS- enabled attack, the fact that a vehicle was used, the fact that there was a stabbing of a police officer. That's exactly what they're calling for their sympathizers to do in the West. And of course, we've seen a string of ISIS-inspired and ISIS-linked attacks using vehicles, notably in Nice, on the South Coast of France in July, six people killed in that attack.

And then more recently, at Ohio State, where fortunately no one was killed back in November. And you'll recall in that the perpetrator rammed his car into pedestrians and then came out to try to stab people. So similar M.O.s is what we saw here in London. But more recently, that Berlin attack, 12 people killed in that. The message ISIS is getting out to its supporters is that these attackers are extremely effective for their cause, a way to create a lot of bloodshed.

And as I hear more and more details emerge about what has happened in London, my mind goes back to that Nice attack along the Promenade des Anglais when people were throwing themselves onto the beach, onto the water to get out of the vehicle. And, of course, we've heard reports of a woman who appears to have fallen into the Thames.

BLITZER: But apparently, she's been recovered and she's alive. We're getting more information on that woman.

Paul Cruickshank, stand by.

You know, Clarissa, you're with me. Clarissa Ward is with me right now. Cedric Leighton is with me.

Momentarily, we'll go to the White House press briefing. I expect Sean Spicer will be there to give a statement on behalf of the United States government. We just heard from Rex Tillerson in that statement that he just -- really is there's incredibly close intelligence, counterterrorism cooperation, Clarissa, between the U.S. and the U.K.

CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): I think it's fair to say -- and maybe Cedric would know better than I but there is almost no more important relationship when it comes to counterterrorism, when it comes to intelligence sharing than the British and the American relationship and more largely, the so-called five eyes, who all cooperate very closely together. This is essential.

And what you heard there from Paul Cruickshank, you know, he touched on an important point. We do not know who is responsible for this attack or what the motivation was. But we can't ignore at the same time the fact that this is straight out of the ISIS playbook. And I mean that very literally. I'm talking specifically about a manual, which is known as the Management of Chaos, which encourages individuals to go about these lone wolf attacks. Attacks that focused on civilians, attacks that focus on creating chaos that create fear, that create animosity and misunderstanding within countries like the U.K.

(on camera): So while we don't know exactly who perpetrated this attack or what motivated that person, I do think it is fair to say that certainly this is something that Metropolitan Police and counterintelligence officials will be looking into very carefully. Does this match the playbook, as you heard Paul Cruickshank mention especially, for example, the Nice attack that we saw on the Promenade des Anglais, does it match the same playbook that we saw in Berlin, and that we have seen on a much more successful level being replicated on a very alarmingly regular basis across Europe. So these are the kinds of things that counterterrorism officials are going to be looking at very closely.

BLITZER: And Cedric Leighton, I assume that the U.S. will be studying what happened in London and other governments as well to learn lessons?

CEDRIC LEIGHTON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Absolutely. Lessons learned are the key thing for any of the intelligence outfits both the U.S., U.K. obviously and the European services as well. And in this particular case, you know, Clarissa is absolutely right, the relationship between the U.K. and the United States is absolutely not only the most important one but it is absolutely the closest one of any of the intelligence services.

[13:10:11] So we will be talking with our British counterparts, the intelligence professionals here in the U.S. will be, and they will take a lot of lessons learned. And I think we will probably see some manifestations of those conversations in the months to come here in the U.S. Capital.

[13:40:20] BLITZER: And Clarissa, you know this area of London. Well, you lived in London. And you lived there for a year as you study there right near the parliament. This area, right now, it's exactly three hours since the incident occurred, 2:40 p.m. local time in London. It's now 5:40 p.m. local time in London. You know this area well. I may have to interrupt you if we go to the White House briefing.

WARD: I mean I went to school, literally, to high school, right around the corner from this. And I can tell you, at 5:40 p.m., which is the time that it is right now in London, this area would be bustling. It's rush hour time. People are going home at the end of a long day of work, people are going back to school, tourists are milling around. It's a straight day--

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BLITZER: Hold on a moment. The White House Press Secretary, Sean Spicer. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Good afternoon. First to the top I want you to know that the president has been briefed on the situation in London. He just spoke to Prime Minister May and we'll have a read on that situation in that call soon. We obviously condemn today's attack in Westminster which the United Kingdom is treating as an act of terrorism. And we applaud the quick response that the British Police and their first responders made to this situation.

The victims are thoughts in our prayers. The City of London and her majesty's government have the full support of the U.S. government responding to the attack in bringing those to justice who are responsible. We will provide you with further updates as warranted and as I mentioned, a read out of the president's call with the Prime Minister.

Turning to the events of today. This morning the president received hi daily intelligence briefing. He stopped by in the women and Health Care panel hosted by the senators for Medicare and Medicaid Systems Administrator Seema Verman and also that was tended by the Vice President in Health and Human Services Secretary, Dr. Tom Price.

The Health Care professionals have seen the challenges of implementing ObamaCare first hand. They're a valuable asset to the president and his team as we continue to consider and enact policies like the American Health Care act. The will make Health Care more accessible and affordable for everyone.

The women who are at the round table today represent the physicians, nurses, pharmacist and administrators who make sure that people around the country receive the necessary preventative and life saving care that they need everyday. The doctors who attend to the patients in the family practices, emergency rooms and clinics and those who support them on the administrative and technical sides are one of our country's most treasured resources.

With the passage in the American Health Care Act and the rest of the president's Health Care reform agenda, everyone regardless of their financial situation will be able to take full advantage of this resource. That's why at last count, over 40 major associations --

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BLITZER: All right, we'll continue to monitor this White House briefing. If there's more information released by the White House on this attack in London, we will immediately, of course, go back there. We're expecting a more thorough read out.

Clarissa Ward, you're with us. We're watching this so carefully. Three hours almost exactly since the incident occurred. At least one person, a woman, dead, at least 10 others injured but the lockdown continues.

WARD: The lockdown continues. They are not leaving anything to chance. It is really extraordinary. I have to say well, to look at these pictures and this, one of the busiest times of day, people are finishing work. They're finishing school. It's a spring day. They're filling the pubs, having a drink after work. And today, we see in the very beating heart of London, the seat of power, the houses of parliament, the streets. You can almost seem to hear a pin drop. We know there are 300 parliamentarians or law makers who are still inside the Houses of Parliament that is still under lockdown.

We saw images earlier as well, Wolf, of tourist who are stranded in the so called London Aisle. A large Ferris wheel, a major attraction. They have been there now for some hours while essentially the police and authorities go about their work of trying to make sure that everything has been accounted for, that there is no longer a threat. We all saw the images of men in white, in full white suits, combing through the wreckage of that car that crashed into the gates outside parliament. Those men presumably looking for any hazardous materials, whether they be biological, whether they be explosive. But also presumably looking for some kind of DNA evidence. Who was the driver, is this person known to authorities, what was the motivation?

There are so many questions that authorities are now trying to answer, all at the same time.

[13:15:05] And that's why I think you are still seeing a heightened alert. You heard from the Metropolitan Police that they are not willing to say that the situation has been cleared, that they are not willing to say exactly what happened even. They were getting pieces of information piecemeal. They were hearing that there was somebody in the river. That there was a car that had collided with pedestrians on Westminster Bridge. And then that there was some kind of a stabbing followed by gunfire as police attempted to neutralize an assailant who was apparently posing a threat at the Houses of Parliament.

So clearly authorities are trying to wrap their arms around all of this disparate information, put it together into some kind of working hypothesis, and make sure that that area, that area that is filled with people at this time, is safe and secure so they can gradually begin to get things back to normal again.

BLITZER: And Cedric Leighton, we know that one individual got inside with a knife, stabbed a police officer, and then that individual was shot by other police officers. We don't know that person's condition right now but presumably they have an I.D. already, they know who this person is?

LEIGHTON: Normally, they would. The key thing is that the Scotland Yard and other elements of the British police forces, the London Metropolitan Police are really, really good at identifying suspects. They are among the best in the world. Some would say the best in the world when it comes to this. And what they'll do is they all check with all the databases that they have. They will check with foreign data bases and go through Interpol if they need to, eye and also, of course the U.S. intelligence relationship that Clarissa and I have been talking about.

These are the kinds of things that really make a difference it comes to solving a situation like this. And when they can do this, they can not only figure out who it was, but they can also figure out a potential motive and they can then also figure out who is connected to whom. Are these people actually working for somebody in Raqqa, for example, is this the result of the military pressure that is being felt by ISIS right now in Raqqa. Or is it something else. So that's really one of the things that they'll be looking at and I think will be a key part of the investigation as it moves forward.

BLITZER: And we should know fairly soon some answers.

We're standing by, by the way. We're told, Scotland Yard, London Police are about to have another statement, at least a statement. I don't know if they'll answer questions. But they'll update us on new information coming in.

LEIGHTON: Yes. And usually, what will happen is they start to give out preliminary data points that they have, what they are certain is true at this point in time. They may even talk about things that they don't know or they need the public's help with. Once they've done that, they will then also perhaps step back, if they don't take questions, then you know that the investigation is still not quite wrapped up. But what they will also do is send a signal to other law enforcement and intelligence agencies around the world of what kinds of areas of assistance they will need and where they can actually use some extra information. So they'll be contacting their colleagues, not all over Europe, probably but probably around the world.

BLITZER: And this was a time when they're, normally the end of March, a lot of tourists in London, right now, Clarissa. You lived there.

WARD: There are a lot of tourists. Ad you know, we're already learned from France that there were three French students among the injured. We heard from our own Hala Gorani, who was at prime minister's questions earlier in the day that there was a school trip there, a bunch of young children --

BLITZER: Hold on, one second. Now Sean Spicer now taking questions on this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): -- none of these unmasked names were leaked?

SPICER: I don't know. I literally read the statement, or heard the statement, came out and raise that as -- it was wrapping up as we were beginning this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Today, in the (inaudible) the president said keep your doctor, keep your plan. Didn't work out that way. You didn't get your doctor, you don't get your plan. This is one of the reasons we have to repeal ObamaCare. Is the president assuring people who currently like their plan or like their doctor that under the American Health Care Act, they can keep their doctor and their plan?

SPICER: Well, that's the hope. And what I mean by that is not to be cute, but last time, they were promised something that didn't turn out. I can't promise something that a doctor stays in a plan or a plan stays there. But that's a bit different. We understand that we're letting market forces come into play here.

Competition, doctors can change what insurances they take, plans can come in and out of markets. What I think we can be assured of is a couple things. One is that currently under ObamaCare, pry a premiums or set to continue to skyrocket. We've seen an average of 25 percent, we've noted before in Arizona they've gone up 116 percent.

I think there's no question that the additional competition and amendments that have been brought into this discussion will help lower the trajectory of that, number one. Number two is I think that there's going to see greater choice. So I think those are the things that we're willing to talk about being part of this plan because you can't -- where they erred last time is we're not made promises that they couldn't keep.

[13:20:05] And I think that one of the problems that they did is that they've tried to suppress market forces and competition and instead of lowering costs and increasing choice, which is what they sought to do, it did the opposite. So that's where this is headed and I think that's important. John. (ph)

JOHN (voice over): Thanks a lot, Sean. On the AACA, Mark Meadows, who appears to be a firm no in terms of his opposition to the replacement bill said that 25 members of the Freedom Caucus are opposed to this replacement bill. Do you dispute those numbers?

SPICER: I'm not going to share. What kind of I know, we saw Lou Barletta, who was a hard no, come out and say he's yes. Steve King, I believe had been a no, he's a yes. Member by member, we're seeing tremendous support flow in our direction and the count keeps getting stronger for us. So I'm not going to start to get into yes or nos but I would just say that -- you know, former Congressman Mulvaney, now Director of OMB Mulvaney, who is a leader in that caucus has been a very strong advocate of this policy.

As you know, he's been up on the hill talking to his former colleagues, assuring them of the effort and why the process has to go the way it does. But I'm optimistic in the sense of what we're seeing and the trajectory that this is going and the number of votes that are flowing our way, not the other way.

JOHN (voice over): And on the confirmation hearing for Judge Neil Gorsuch, I have not seen any Democrat come out in support of Judge Gorsuch just yet. Do you anticipate that you'll get Democratic support on this particular nomination?

SPICER: I hope and believe so. I think that there have been several that have been spoken very positively.

I think he's been extremely impressive throughout this confirmation process and you've heard members, both in the Senate, on the committee, and then a lot of outside voices, comment on how well he's done, how qualified he is. And I think it's a tough -- it's tough for anybody to say that that he's not immensely qualified for this position.

Alexis (ph)?

ALEXIS (voice over): Sean, related to Congressman Nunes, can you explain why the White House has agreed to meet with him at all about what his findings are?

And the reason I ask that is because the minute that Director Comey said that there was an official investigation, it might appear as if the White House is interfering with the investigation and Congressman Nunes should present his information not to the White House but to the FBI.

So, why is anyone here at the White House agreeing to meet with him about his findings?

SPICER: I -- we'll have a read out for you after that meeting. I think he did this press conference, he made the announcement that he was coming up to see the President to share these findings.

I don't know who else he's shared them with; I don't know, to your question, I don't know if he's briefed anyone else on it, in terms of the intelligence community, either Admiral Rogers or Comey or whether this is something they shared with him, but I think as after the meeting, hopefully depending on the classification level, we may be able to -- to share more on that with you.

ALEXIS (voice over): Can I just add, is the President concerned at all that there will be an appearance, immediately today, that he has interfered with an ongoing investigation, whether it's a Congressional investigation or the Executive Branch investigation, by meeting privately with a congressman who says he has information?

SPICER: So, let me get this straight, number one, we asked, as you know, two weeks ago, we said this was the appropriate venue.

Number two, you guys have asked us over and over again why aren't we meeting with certain individuals. The chairman of the committee that -- one of the two committees that we asked to look into this, wants to share his findings.

I don't -- or what he knows, I think that is exactly how we've talked about this working, but I would leave it to Congressman Nunes to come up and to brief and share his thoughts.

I don't know what his plan is obviously. He sat -- he briefed the media before he briefed us. He went down and talked about what he had found.

So, you know, it's interesting, I didn't see any complaints when he went down and held a press conference for the umpteenth time, talking about his findings and what he's find.

There's no complaints from the media when he shares what he's found with you guys, but when he wants to come up here and tell us this is where the investigation stands and here's what I've unloaded -- excuse me, learned, there seems to be a little bit of an interesting double standard on that.

ALEXIS (voice over): Just to close a little. Because the President said that he had additional information that he believed the White House or he or his representatives would present, related to this investigation, what Congressman Nunes has is not related to that?

SPICER: I don't -- you're asking me questions that he has not briefed us. He has not briefed the President.

You guys, as I noted, he actually went down and has spoke to the media before he shared this with us, so, you know, I would ask the colleagues that ask -- of yours, that ask questions more than you've -- you've had -- collectively the media has more of an opportunity to ask questions and to hear what he has to say than we do at this point.

So, once we have more to understand what he said, to the extent that we can, I'm sure we'll be glad to share it with you, but the media has more information than we do at this point.

[13:25:04] John (ph)?

JOHN: Sean, stating -- I mean about here. Didn't we already know that there was incidental collection of intelligence involving the said members of the transition team? And I point to --

SPICER: Not the way you guys ask the questions. I mean, you -- you've questioned us every day about what we knew, and now you're coming back to me saying didn't we already know this? Why --

JOHN: Well, didn't we already know that --

SPICER: Guess we're doing somewhat of an effective job.

JOHN: -- Flynn was monitored in his conversations with Kislyak (ph).

SPICER: Right.

JOHN: So we knew about that --

SPICER: Again, I guess my point, John is I don't know. He made a statement, went down to the press. Until we get briefed on this, until the president gets briefed, I don't know what he knows. And so to ask -- and until that occurs, and until we have the ability to share some of that in an unclassified nature, I don't want to get ahead of it.

I don't know what he knows. That's why apparently he's coming up to share his findings with the president. At least that's what he said, again let's wait and see how this unfolds.

JOHN: And on the America Health Care Act, Mark Meadows says they don't have the votes, they need to start over and do a new bill. That that sounds like you're in pretty serious trouble. SPICER: No that sounds like one member's opinion. As I mentioned --

JOHN: That's a large contingency --

SPICER: No, no, no but again I just named a few of the members that part of that caucus that have come on board. I think that, look every day you see more and more of those members from that caucus and throughout the entire conference express their support for the bill.

The president was up yesterday for a while talking to them, we've had members and the vice president's been actively engaged with Mick Mulvaney, Rience Priebus, Marc Shore and Rick Dearborn who lead our Leg. Affairs team. These guys have been flooding the Hill, they have been on the phone and having meetings with them. There's been a series of members up here all day. I think the trajectory is going very well for us. And --

JOHN: And Heritage Action says you could easily fix this bill simply by removing the regulatory framework, the tax credits and all of that and you'll get massive buy-in from conservatives. How do you do that?

SPICER: There are certain constraints that we have in the reconciliation process and you know, for those who are steeped in the arcane rules of the Senate, there's a thing called the Byrd Rule and it does not allow policy to be created. It has to do with the budgetary nature of that vehicle to get to the sustainable at 50 votes.

Right now there are certain things that I think a lot of people would like, but they will not potentially get ruled in order by the Senate Parliamentarian. So I understand what people want, but I think that we have created a vehicle to get this done.

This is the only way that we'll repeal and replace ObamaCare. And again I think people have to recognize that there is a three-step process to doing this. This is exactly how the Democrats enacted it and this is exactly how we will unwind it and implement a much better system. That's it, plain and simple. Margaret.

MARGARET: Sean, I know you can't get ahead of Nunes but what he said was incidental, legal surveillance using a FISA warrant, between --

SPICER: So that's not -- he didn't -- I don't believe he said FISA warrant.

MARGARET: He did.

SPICER: Did he? OK.

MARGARET: He did. And that's why I'm asking this question which is does the Trump Administration have the presumption that foreign leaders or foreign nationals will not be surveilled when they are in contact with --

SPICER: Look, again as I said, I don't want to start talking or guessing what he may say or may not say or explain this. I think that we will have more information, or I hope to have more information once the president is briefed and to find out what else has gone on in terms of additional information on this.

But I do think it is a startling revelation and there's a lot of questions that need to get asked. I think it's interesting, all of the questions are in the presumptive negative towards us as opposed to why was this taking place? Why were people surveilled, you know, ostensibly they were involved in the campaign.

MARGARET (voice over): Well, that's why --

SPICER: Because it's not, you know, the question is --

MARGARET (voice over): -- of your presumption. What was your presumption that foreign nationals --

SPICER: Well, no, no. It's not a presumption actually I'm not the one -- right, respectfully, I'm not the one with the presumption, you guys are. I even come up here presuming anything, I actually started my comments off by saying, did I --

MARGARET: Well I would presume that foreign nationals are being monitored by U.S. Intelligence when they are talking to anyone.

SPICER: OK. And then I think -- and then the question then I think there's a series of questions, which is how many times was an individual picked up? Why were they picked up? Were they unmasked? Again a lot of this, if they're picked up during a FISA warrant is that American citizens are prohibited, by law, from being unmasked from quote, having their name put out there. Why would someone's name get put out there? What ways were they described? There's a lot of questions that need to get asked. Those are the relevant issues that need to get asked.

How many times was one individual followed? Did their name get unmasked and why? But there's a lot of things that need to get followed up on. We're not at that position yet, as I've said now multiple times. The Chairman is going to come up here, brief the President, I don't know to what extent and to what detail. But hopefully as we move forward we will have more.

MARGARET: Is this what you've been -- because you've said there is more information upon more information to come. Is this what you're gesturing towards --

SPICER: I don't know. I don't know.

[13:30:01] For the eighth time, there is no -- we don't know what he's going to come up here and explain and share. And until that happens, for me to talk about, you know, where we think this is headed. Again we're not in the business of trying to get to this point yet. We say this is what they have. We've asked that the investigation be conducted and that people gather up information.

What they have and to what extent, we'll know soon. April?