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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST (voice-over): One minute, she`s the victim of an Amber Alert, the next, she`s in jail facing homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Quinn had opportunity at the market to flee.

BANFIELD: Is Trinity Quinn one of our most vulnerable who fell pray to a man nearly twice her age?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do not see any indication that she was being held against her will.

BANFIELD: Or is she a criminal accomplice in a bottom of the barrel murder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both are homicide suspects.

BANFIELD: When is a rape a rape?

AMY GUY, ASSAULTED BY ESTRANGED HUSBAND: I began crying, and I asked him to please stop.

BANFIELD: Watch your back if you live in North Carolina.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If a woman says stop, the man doesn`t have to stop under the law.

BANFIELD: A wife who agreed to sex with her drunk husband...

GUY: I figured that was the safer thing for me to do.

BANFIELD: ... changed her mind when he got violent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We fully believe Amy was raped, but the law did not help her.

BANFIELD: The law says once you consent, he doesn`t have to stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re the only state in the country where no doesn`t mean no.

BANFIELD: Now she`s telling lawmakers no.

Bounty hunters on the loose in Tennessee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got these guys out here running around, you know, doing this kind of thing in the streets, you know, with weapons.

BANFIELD: And when they find their man, they open fire.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They didn`t know who those people were, and next thing you know, someone is dead as a result.

BANFIELD: Problem is, they got the wrong man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Took a father from his kids.

BANFIELD: And not just any father, a father of three. Seven bounty hunters now facing murder. What are the rules when it comes to what they

do?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If we wouldn`t have found her, she would be dead.

BANFIELD: A mother`s nightmare tale.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was underneath the floor in a hole, and the hole was covered.

BANFIELD: Her daughter almost buried alive, crying for help from a dark and tiny prison.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so I started pounding on the side of the shed, and we got her out.

BANFIELD: Now that daughter is facing the man accused of entombing her in his back yard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you voluntarily got into that hole?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever been that terrified in your life?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

BANFIELD: It`s the last thing a school bus driver ever wants to see, a truck barreling towards a bus full of kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You guys stay in your seats. Please sit down.

BANFIELD: See the crash and hear the calm, cool, collected driver.

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BANFIELD: Hello, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

When a 15-year-old named Trinity Quinn first disappeared with 28-year-old Daniel Clark, the community was worried, her family was worried, and

authorities were so worried, they took it to Defcon 5, Amber Alert, and the search was on for both of them. Trinity knew Daniel Clark for years, in

fact, and relatives say she had a bit of a crush on him. Still, at 15, she was considered missing and in danger. Daniel is 28.

But it would only be a matter of hours before everything we thought we knew would change and Trinity would go from one of society`s most vulnerable, a

child needing protection from bad guys, to one of society`s most reviled, a murder suspect, possibly one of the bad guys.

Both Trinity and Daniel are accused in a deadly shooting, the murder of John Stevens, who was a gas station clerk in Nashville.

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DON AARON, METROPOLITAN NASHVILLE PD: Mr. Stevens attempted to get the gun away or knock it away from his head. At that point, Mr. Clark took a step

back and opened fire. Mr. Stevens was shot multiple times.

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BANFIELD: As Mr. Stevens was being shot to death, police say Trinity had plenty of time to get away, and instead, she chose to run off with him.

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AARON: Both are homicide suspects. It is this police department`s belief that Ms. Quinn had opportunity at the market to flee. We do not see any

indication that she was being held against her will.

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BANFIELD: If you ask Trinity`s mother, she sees things very differently. She says her daughter was a young teenager, an impressionable girl and

easily influenced.

You remember that Amber Alert? It turns out it worked, in a backwards kind of way, though. Trinity and Clark were found hiding out in a wooded area.

It was a truck driver saw her on the side of the road, thought she looked familiar and then remembered the girl in the Amber Alert. That driver

called the police, and the rest is now up to the courts.

Joining me now, Natalie Alund. She`s the breaking news reporter for USA Today Network in Nashville. Natalie, how can they be so sure that this

young 15-year-old teenager is a criminal, as opposed to a victim?

[20:05:00]NATALIE ALUND, USA TODAY NETWORK: Well, I can tell you that officials here today said that they plan to prosecute the 15-year-old as an

adult. She appeared -- was supposed to appear in court today for her initial court appearance, but her attorney in the case waived that hearing.

That means she will stay in juvenile detention here in Nashville as the case moves forward. Ultimately, a judge will decide if she is charged as

an adult.

BANFIELD: So whether she`s a child or whether she`s an adult, all very serious questions, but ultimately, whether she`s a criminal is kind of the

most crucial here because one moment she is an Amber victim, and the next moment, she could spend life in prison.

So I`m wondering if they have something that they`re not sharing with us other than she seemed to be going along willingly. Do they?

ALUND: At this point, we don`t know that. That has not been released because we haven`t had a hearing yet where the detectives in the case have

prosecuted -- have testified for the prosecution. But what I can say is the police have told us that she had a chance to run and she did not,

according to police. And that is why they have -- she is a suspect in this murder.

BANFIELD: You know, that sounds on the surface to be sort of like slam dunk, but then you think about Elizabeth Smart, who had a chance to run

lots of times, who had a police officer right in front of her and still gave a fake name. Kids do the damnedest things. They are not like grown-

ups. And so I think that`s going to be a big, big part of this.

Tell me a little bit, if you know, about the communications between Trinity Quinn and Daniel Clark before Trinity disappeared with him.

ALUND: Well, we know from interviewing family and friends that they knew each other. He was, in fact, a family friend. A close girlfriend of

Trinity said that she may have had a crush on him. Exactly the relationship between them behind closed doors has not been exposed, at

least by police or in court yet.

BANFIELD: Did it seem as though there were text messages, however, that were completely inappropriate for someone at 15 years old to be

communicating with someone who is 28 years old?

ALUND: I can`t speak to that. I don`t know the specifics. But in any case, any communications between a 15-year-old and 28-year-old that are

inappropriate is illegal in many forms.

BANFIELD: Yes. It seems like the police seem to think that there are these communications. Maybe is another one of those nebulous areas where

they`re not telling us everything but they`re leaking out some things. But there`s certainly some kind of electronic digital trail between these two

that undoubtedly is going to be part of this case.

So help me out with the murder weapon. This is huge. Murder weapons are critical evidence, and there is one that police think they have. What`s

the story behind it?

ALUND: Well, when the pair was found after being spotted by the truck driver in the woods, a backpack that was on Clark`s person was found

actually on the ground. And inside it, police did confirm to me they found a pistol. They have not said whether or not that was the pistol that was

used in the shooting, but they did confirm he was found in possession of a firearm.

BANFIELD: I want to just, if I can, break in for a second with some brand- new video that`s just coming into us as we speak. So bear with me if you can, Natalie.

The story goes, if you believe police, that this is the pair right here trying to break into the -- what they think is the murder victim`s vehicle.

The keys aren`t working, so the police alleged that Trinity`s crouching down while they`re smashing in the windows, and then ultimately getting

into the car, crawling into the car in some way, and realizing that the keys won`t work in the ignition and then taking off where they ultimately

are alleged to be, you know, hiding in the woods after this moment.

But this is critical because while many people think that this victim, John Stevens, the gas station attendant, may have just been robbed for whatever

was in the cash register, the prevailing wisdom with the piece at this point is that this is what they were after. They needed a vehicle and that

they thought this was his vehicle.

They say that Daniel Clark was rifling through the murder victim`s pockets, looking for car keys after that victim was shot to death. So this is some

pretty telling video. Certainly if you think of it from the police perspective, lots of opportunities here for a young 15-year-old girl

perhaps to get away, but ultimately in their perspective, it looks as though she`s complicit.

Again, let`s remind everyone she`s 15, which brings me to Danny Cevallos and Areva Martin, two attorneys who are used to this kind of question.

Danny, let me start with you, if I can. I just see this case ripe for someone who wants to say at 15, you cannot suggest that kids know what

they`re doing. Why is that wrong?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Here`s why. And we have a strange system in the United States where we treat children as juveniles unless

they do something really, really bad. We accept that their brains aren`t as developed. In fact, the Supreme Court has spoken to this relatively

recently. And yet, if they do something that`s particularly horrific, we have a procedure in each state that allows for them to be transferred to

adult court.

[20:20:04]And of course, it`s the defense attorney`s job to do anything they can to get them back into juvenile court, where the penalties are less

harsh and the courts and the judges recognize that children on the whole are redeemable.

BANFIELD: So Areva, I want to give you some exclusive information that we found. And you may seize on this. You may find it irrelevant. But

Trinity apparently, according to the police, told at least one friend before she disappeared that she was going to be leaving soon, that it`s a

guy she knows and that she would ultimately contact that friend by phone.

So does that make any difference in the fact pattern in this case if you couple it with what the police say, she wasn`t running away? She wasn`t,

you know, trying to get free. Does it make any difference in your mind?

AREVA MARTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, I think, Ashleigh, that evidence can be used both by the prosecutors and the defense attorneys. The prosecutors

will use that information to say that this was pre-planned, that she knew well in advance that she was going to leave with Clark and everything that

along with that, so including stealing a car, robbing a convenience store and even committing murder.

But on the other hand, the defense attorneys can also use this to show that this young girl was lured away, perhaps was brainwashed. We also know that

she called him "uncle" at some point and may have just been so enamored with him that she could not resist his, you know, commands to follow him.

And I have some real questions about her ability to run away. We don`t know if he threatened her with this weapon. We don`t know if he threatened

to kill her family members or to do harm to her. So I think there are a lot of unanswered questions that are going to be important in terms of

determining whether she was complicit in a crime or whether she was still a victim as everyone originally thought.

BANFIELD: I love it when you lay it on the table, the unanswered questions, because I despise it when people jump to conclusions when they

haven`t seen all the video. They haven`t been in the courtroom. They haven`t seen the evidence. There`s a lot that police hold close to the

vest and us mere mortals, the journalists, don`t get to see everything.

Danny, with that in mind, I keep thinking back to Elizabeth Smart. She was with her captors for nine months, plenty of time for the brainwashing,

plenty of time for Stockholm syndrome, plenty of time for that sort of thing to kick in. In Trinity Quinn`s case, we`re talking about a matter of

hours, maybe a little more than a day or so. But can you still make the claim that she was under the influence? Perhaps there was grooming in

advance? Can you still make that same claim that you could with Elizabeth Smart?

CEVALLOS: A defense attorney might take a two-pronged attack. The first would be what you`re talking about -- this person was groomed, the

defendant was under intense pressure. And the second part is going to be what medical science is now teaching us, that which we`ve known for

millennia, which is that children make bad decisions. They`re easily influenced. They go along with the flow. They do all these things that we

now know is the result of the development of their brain well into their 20s.

So that is the kind of thing that defense attorneys are exploiting more and more because, essentially, the Supreme Court has ratified it. It`s

generally accepted nowadays.

BANFIELD: Well, they`re looking to file -- well, they`re doing it, they`re filing paperwork to charge her as an adult. This is criminal homicide,

aggravated robbery, attempted car theft. That is a world of hurt for this 15-year-old girl. She could spend several decades, if not life in prison

for these things. So it`ll be a critical question and a critical debate that is sure to be fired up immediately.

Danny and Areva, I`m going to ask you to hold on for a minute, if you can. There is also this debate. Want to be fired up? In America, some might

say a woman`s right to say no to sex is just simply sacred. OK? Right? We`re in agreement.

Oh, I`m sorry. Are you living in North Carolina? Because if you are, "no" only works once before the sex begins. After that, game over, baby. No

turning back, even if things get violent and dangerous.

And I`m really not kidding. We`re going to speak with a woman who survived an attack, who is fighting to change that law. It is the only state that

has it. Why? We`ll talk about that in a moment.

And it is enough to have someone back into your car and take off, but when the guy who gets hit is a sheriff`s deputy and the guy who does the hitting

is only wearing boxer shorts, well, I think you could say things get interesting. Find out what`s going on here in a moment.

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[20:18:52]BANFIELD: It is pretty well understood by most law-abiding people that when it comes to sex, no means no. I mean, it`s 2017, right?

No more, Oh, she was wearing a short skirt at the bus stop. No.

But in North Carolina, it is hard to know what year it is when it comes to rape because there is no such thing as no, if at first you say yes, even if

things get ugly, even if things get violent, even if you get hurt. Once the sex starts, there is literally no stopping it -- legally anyway.

Just ask Amy Guy. She was roughed up by her drunk estranged husband and thought if she just agreed to the sex, it would all be over soon, things

wouldn`t get worse. But they did. They got a whole lot worse. And even though she begged him to stop, he did not. By most standards, that is what

you call an ugly rape. But not in North Carolina.

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GUY: Since he was getting angry, I thought that it would be better to go ahead and agree to the sex because I figured that was the safer thing for

me to do. I began crying and I asked him to please stop.

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[20:20:10]BANFIELD: Jonathan Guy was initially charged with rape, but that charge was lowered to a misdemeanor assault because once a 1979 court

ruling states that women cannot revoke their consent once the sex begins. So watch your back in North Carolina. And while you`re at it, watch your

front.

Amy Guy was the person assaulted by her estranged husband. She`s fighting to get North Carolina`s rape consent law changed. He`s joined by her

attorney, Kristopher Hilscher from Raleigh tonight. Thank you, and welcome to the both of you.

Amy, I had to reread this story because I thought I saw it wrong. It just defies sort of all logic across the country. Why is North Carolina the

outlier here?

GUY: I can`t say why. I don`t understand why it`s that way. It doesn`t make any sense to me. I thought that -- all my life, I`ve thought no meant

no. So I never imagined that this would not be considered rape.

BANFIELD: Can I ask you -- and I don`t want to, you know, pry. And the hard part about covering a rape story is that the facts are critical. So

I`m going to try to dance that delicate line. What happened after this attack? Where were you -- where was your head? Were you thinking? And

what did you do next?

GUY: I was, you know, How could this happen? You know, what could I have done differently so that it didn`t happen? And then, you know, What do I

do now? And so, yes, I pressed charges.

BANFIELD: And I`m only assuming here since everything got so rough that you were physically injured by this rape. Well, I can`t call it a rape, by

this assault, because that`s what it ultimately was by the courts.

GUY: Yes. The intercourse had been going on for approximately 30 to 45 minutes. And then he began -- it became more violent, more forceful, and

then he began slapping my breasts. And throughout the entire, entirety of it, he was calling me derogatory names. And then once he began slapping my

breasts, I started crying and I asked him to please stop. And he wouldn`t stop, and he laughed at me and said that he -- you know, he could make me

cry. And then it continued on for about another hour.

BANFIELD: Kristopher, there -- it`s not as though there hasn`t been an effort in North Carolina to change this unbelievable archaic law that once

you say yes, you`re done for no matter what happens afterwards. But that`s what we do. That`s why we have legislatures. They take things to the

senate. They call them bills. There`s been senate bill 553 and there`s been senate bill 505 in 2015. And apparently, they didn`t make it out of

committee. And those two bills were all about changing this. What happened?

KRISTOPHER HILSCHER, AMY GUY`S ATTORNEY: We`re not sure exactly what happened. We have been in contact with Jeff Jackson (ph), who is one of

the chief sponsors of those bills. He`s standing with us and this movement. And I think, you know, what we need to do from here is draw some

more attention to the issue, and that`s actually why we`re here today.

BANFIELD: So basically, just politics as usual, didn`t have the votes, couldn`t get out of committee, maybe not popular enough, something like

that? Am I right?

HILSCHER: As far as we know, yes. That`s not really -- you know, I`m not on the forefront of that. That`s more of Jeff`s wheelhouse, but that is my

understanding, yes.

BANFIELD: And when you say Jeff -- Senator Jeff Jackson who introduced the latest bill, 553, in 2017. You had mentioned the movement. I`m curious,

Kristopher, about the movement that you and Amy are, I`m assuming, now at the forefront. What is the movement? What can you -- if your senator

couldn`t get a bunch of legislators to become, you know, less Cro Magnon, shall we say, what can you do? What are you doing?

HILSCHER: Well, we`re trying to sot of make it grass roots, get the word out type of movement, and I think it`s taking hold. We`re also -- I have

some contacts in the house that we maybe -- perhaps we can get a joint resolution between the house and the senate. I plan on working on that.

We are working on developing a more comprehensive plan, but that`s the next step.

BANFIELD: Are there other victims, Amy, since you`ve gone public? And by the way, you know, it goes without saying kudos and congratulations to you.

This is not easy. This is painful. It`s awful. Ask anybody who is a survivor like you, and they will say it takes just extraordinary, I don`t

know, gut muscles to do this.

[20:25:02]Are there others who are joining your movement who have been in the same boat as you?

GUY: Yes. And thank you for saying that. There are other people who have, you know, told me, you know, they appreciate what I`m doing because

they never either reported their crime, you know, and it has happened to them, or you know, that didn`t get this -- you know, they didn`t get the

justice that they deserved. So I have had people say that.

BANFIELD: That justice you just mentioned, your ex, Jonathan Guy, ultimately was convicted of two counts of misdemeanor assault of a female.

That`s the actual wording, I believe, misdemeanor assault of a female. Ten months? Is that it?

GUY: That`s it, 300 days total.

BANFIELD: Is he in now? Is he in jail now?

HILSCHER: He`s in jail, but he`ll receive credit for the time that he was serving awaiting sentencing.

BANFIELD: So how long -- Kristopher, you know the way it works. You know, you got overcrowded jails. Not everybody serves full sentences unless

they`re in the federal system. It`s a little closer to your full sentence. How long do you think he`ll ultimately serve for what happened to Amy that

night?

HILSCHER: We`re hopeful that we will serve the full term because he has yet to be transferred to the Department of Corrections. Right now, he`s

still with the county, and that`s usually a good indicator that he will pull the full 10 months.

BANFIELD: Amy, has he ever said sorry?

GUY: Yes. A couple of days after it happened, he did tell me that he was sorry. But since then, he`s vehemently denied that anything happened at

all.

HILSCHER: And refused to admit it in a court proceeding. We had a domestic violence protecting order proceeding, and he did not want to admit

to anything.

BANFIELD: Well, I -- you know, I applaud you in your efforts, and I hope you stay in touch with us and let us know what`s happening in North

Carolina. It`s appalling. It is appalling to learn that this is OK. It`s appalling to hear your story. It`s appalling to know that this is

happening in this day in age.

Stand by for a moment. I want to bring in Danny Cevallos and also Areva Martin on this. Danny, people would wonder how on earth, how on earth can

you not just change a law when clearly, things like this can happen? Someone can get drunk, someone can get rough, someone can get badly hurt

and they have no chance of stopping it by just saying the words "Please stop."

CEVALLOS: This is a supreme court case holding in North Carolina from 1979. So really, the only way for it to be undone is either another

supreme court overturning it or the legislature doing something about it.

But it`s even stranger than that, Ashleigh. The supreme court held -- and this is the North Carolina supreme court -- that once consent is given for

a distinct, a single sex act, it cannot be withdrawn. But theoretically, if you can interrupt the sex act and make several distinct sex acts, then

consent has to be re-given.

We start getting into this vortex of nonsense. And what they are talking about is the female, the victim, having this burden to displace the male

organ. And when he tries anew, then she can withdraw her consent, and only then. It`s nonsensical.

BANFIELD: Areva, jump in on that because the actual language is the same act of intercourse, and again, the details matter here. They matter down

to the line. So if in the sex act that originally is consented to, there is a withdrawal and then a re-penetration, is that a second sex act? Can

that second sex act be considered a rape?

MARTIN: Arguably so. And then according to this supreme court decision, the woman has an opportunity then to withdraw consent for that second act.

But what`s so outrageous about this case in particular, the facts of Amy`s case -- she said it went on for an hour after she demanded that he stop.

So for one full hour, 60 seconds (sic), she was subjected to this most violent attack.

We`ve seen every other state in the union declare this kind of conduct unacceptable, reprehensible and criminal. So the fact that North Carolina

still has this arcane law on its books is really insulting. It`s offensive. And there`s just no justification for those legislators to

continue to hold fast to this assault on women, which is all that we can really call it.

BANFIELD: It is astounding, truly astounding. And by the way, lest any of our viewers think that maybe this was all wound up in some pork bill -- no.

No pork, not at all, just a bill. So there`s that. All right, thank you to both of you, Danny and Areva. And thank you, Amy Guy and Kristopher

Hilscher for being with me. And thank you for what you`re doing. We are going to keep in touch with you without question.

GUY: Thank you.

HILSCHER: Thank you.

BANFIELD: A terrifying crash captured on a school bus dashcam. A truck crossed over the centerline right into the wrong lane before slamming into

a car flipping over and then amazingly, just tapped -- just tapped the front of that school bus and you can hear that driver of the bus telling

the kids stay in your seats, sit down. It`s remarkable. This is last Wednesday in Oklahoma just before 4:00 p.m. Listen to the driver. Listen to

that driver.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys stay in your seats. Please sit down.

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BANFIELD: Unbelievably calm given what just happened with a school bus full of children. Three people were taken to the hospital. No one however

on that school bus was injured and I think we can thank God for that or anybody else you`d like to thank.

There is no question that being a police officer is a tough job. On Tuesday afternoon within a matter of minutes, Pasco County Sheriff`s Deputy went

from helping a turtle cross the road, true story, to trying to subdue an irrational man who was only wearing boxers.

It started when the suspect backed his truck right into the deputy`s patrol car and then just went ahead and took off, but never bodes well. He did not

get far though before he just jumped out of the truck. Truck was still moving. Look at that, just abandoned. Truck goes in the ditch rolling along

but this is where things got super weird.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s going on, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nova one, he`s wearing only a pair of boxer shorts. He`s in the middle of the road. Chill out. Chill out. Get on the ground,

man. I`m 10-4. I`ve got one at Taser point right now. He`s refusing to comply. Chill out.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t resist, brother. Thank you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, that was Joseph Pemberton there. He was allegedly driving erratically, behaving irrationally, talking about nuclear bombs falling

that he was worried about it. Charged of aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer is what he`s dealing with now. We should mention as

well he had a couple of kids along for the ride at one point too, couple of his kids. Never good.

Seven bounty hunters are on the chase looking for one man, but the police say they made one big mistake, the suspect they targeted. It was a huge

mistake. But being a bounty hunter can be dangerous business, and I know a guy who knows that all too well. Duane "Dog" Chapman, Bounty Hunter coming

at you live next.

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BANFIELD: It`s almost like you see on the TV show. Picture this, 7 bounty hunters all in hot pursuit of a man. They`re trying to serve him with

warrant and things get exciting when they come upon a car in a parking lot in Clarksville, Tennessee and during a chase they open fire. A father of

three in that car ends up dead. Three others end up injured, sounds pretty bad, right?

Jalen Johnson killed in a bond recovery operation, but if you think that`s bad about this, Jalen Johnson was not the guy they were looking for, wrong

man, father of three, wrong man and he is dead tonight. In fact, not one person in that car had anything to do with the warrants.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Almost scary that, you know, you got these guys out here running around, you know, doing this kind of thing in the streets, you

know, with weapons and things like that especially with all the regulations that, you know, we`re trying to be held under now and these guys are able

to do something like that, they need to be held accountable.

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BANFIELD: The seven bounty hunters were charged with first-degree felony murder and a slew of other crimes as well. Obviously, a lot of questions

still hang. Duane "Dog" Chapman is a bounty hunter. He was the star of "Dog The Bounty Hunter" and he joins me live from Honolulu. Duane thanks so much

for joining me tonight. You are the first person I thought of when I read the story. I want to get your reaction. What do you think happened here?

DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER: Thanks a lot Ashleigh. Well, first of all, I`d like to say that we`re very sorry that the, you know, the person

lost his life and that`s not how we bounty hunt. And, you know, I -- personally, I don`t use any kind of firearm. I use non-lethal weapons but,

you know, there is always two sides to every story.

Now, in Tennessee, I hear there were two different bail companies there, and not only were they`re bounty hunters, they`re bail recovery agents who

are licensed from Tennessee but bail bondsmen. Ashleigh, today we, you know, we know about fake news. We know about bad news, good news and of

course, now we know about Facebook news.

So my wife calls in the Facebook detectives have just written a report of some source they say, you know, came forward and told what really happened

and it`s a lot different than what I think the police know or what they`ve let out so far.

BANFIELD: Well, I think you make a great point, Dog.

CHAPMAN: One of the main...

BANFIELD: I think you do make a really great point and I said it actually just in the last segment, we don`t know all the facts yet...

CHAPMAN: No, no.

BANFIELD: ...and we will certainly know more because we now have seven guys who are facing the most serious charge you can, first-degree felony

murder. So, I started to wonder, I see what you`re showing -- I see what, you know, the work that you do but I still don`t understand it 100%. How

are bounty hunters different than police? What kind of authority do they have that`s different than just say me if I wanted to catch somebody

because not all bounty hunters and authority figures are alike, right?

[20:40:00] CHAPMAN: Well, right but they`re kind of two different questions. A bounty hunter is someone who recovers a bail jump. A bondsman

puts up a bond, you don`t go to court and the bail recovery agent, they call it now, is sent out to retrieve you, OK? So the -- what he works under

is the warrant law where when you go arrest someone on a felony warrant, you can use the source of any kind of aggression that they use against you,

you can match that aggression to get them arrested. OK?

So, these guys were all out there. What happened allegedly according to Facebook and a source, Wal-Mart has got some of the best parking lot

cameras in the country. Wal-Mart has got this all on tape. Allegedly, one of the Wal-Mart guys said that when the car left, now remember when the

police pulled it over, there were four people in the car but when the car left Wal-Mart, there were five people in the car.

BANFIELD: Police still saying only four, though at this point, but I think really what`s critical is that there were no weapons at all found in the

car and, you know, that`s going to be a huge point of contention in the story for those who are...

CHAPMAN: Oh, that`s...

BANFIELD: ...trying to, you know, defend themselves, right?

CHAPMAN: That makes a big but here. Here`s another thing, OK? Remember this is Facebook. The person wasn`t killed with any caliber gun that any of

the bounty hunters had. So, if there was someone in the car like the fugitive leaving the parking lot, there was five, they drive a mile away

out of sight, the guy jumps out with the gun.

Now, this Facebook is terrible, you know what it says, Ashleigh? It says that the defendant was there, found out -- thought that these guys were the

ones that snitched him off, shot two of them in the car and jumped out. Now I mean, the stories are, can you -- I just heard these 35 minutes ago, can

you believe this?

BANFIELD: So, the story do bound. No, I will say this, the story do bound. I think it`s why Facebook today announced it`s hiring thousands of people

to vet things because you cannot go off of what Facebook says and so far the police are just giving us, you know, sort of just the facts, ma`am, you

know what that`s like. You know, Duane...

CHAPMAN: No, exactly.

BANFIELD: ...one thing I just want you -- one thing I just want you to tell me because I didn`t know this and I find it really surprising.

CHAPMAN: OK.

BANFIELD: Bounty hunters actually do have more authority at times than police. I mean, they can go into a house when they don`t have a warrant

when a cop can`t do that. So, they actually are...

CHAPMAN: OK.

BANFIELD: ...extraordinary powerful, right?

CHAPMAN: No, Ashleigh. Let me tell you, OK? You`re talking about the `80s, OK? Today, you have -- the only thing a bounty hunter can do that a police

officer cannot do is cross a state line or work past 5:00 or 6:00 o`clock whenever his shift is. OK, because if you -- I just can`t anymore remember,

I`ve done this 39 years or so.

Yes, Ashleigh in the past it was like that but nowadays, if you don`t spot that person in that house, and you kick the door in, this is -- you`re

going to jail for burglary. This is one of the only jobs if you don`t do your job right you can end up in jail obviously.

BANFIELD: Wow.

CHAPMAN: But, no you just can`t -- they -- now, back in the day like I say, I hate to repeat myself, back in the day you could do all those cowboy

things but today you can`t. You must have probable cause by seeing that defendant, who you`re chasing...

BANFIELD: Yes.

CHAPMAN: ...in the house before you enter. So that`s you know...

BANFIELD: So...

CHAPMAN: ...I -- so, go ahead. I`m sorry.

BANFIELD: You know, I was just going to say, I mean there`s a -- there`s going to be a lot that these guys have to answer for and I`m glad you

joined me tonight because I kind of feel as though I just don`t know the business much and I think we`re going to get a big lesson. Will you say

hello to your lovely wife for me and thank you for being on the show...

CHAPMAN: I will. Thank you. Thank you, Ashleigh. Nice to meet you...

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BANFIELD: Duane "Dog" Chapman on the show with us tonight to help us sort through this, very interesting world.

A woman barricaded in a backyard pit, neighbor`s house and confronts that man whose accused of putting her in there and does so in a court of law,

you can imagine the tension in that room. You could cut the tension with a knife. The three words she says the suspect said to her before locking her

in a pit.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you voluntarily get into that hole?

JENNIFER ELLIOTT, VICTIM WHO THROWN INTO THE PIT: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you terrified?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

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BANFIELD: Her name is Jennifer Elliott and she vividly remembers the moments before she was thrown into a backyard pit concealed by a shed,

trapped and fighting for survival in a hole that was dug just 40 inches deep and about two feet wide.

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ELLIOTT: And I just remember going outside to smoke a cigarette, and after that I do not recall until I was in the shed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember being in the shed?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you alone?

ELLIOTT: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who was in there with you?

ELLIOTT: Dennis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you trying to get away from him?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember him saying anything to you?

ELLIOTT: That I was not going to go anywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he tell you that you were his now?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Her mother ultimately was instrumental in discovering where she was because her mother could hear cries coming from down below her home,

kind of close to the neighbor`s yard and ultimately she called the police. Today that next-door neighbor Dennis Dunn who allegedly threw Jennifer

Elliott into the pit and held her there against her will is in court. Jennifer Elliott was testifying about a history of threats and curses and

insults and his haunting words as he allegedly trapped her in that small pit that was hidden in his shed.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...approaching him.

ELLIOTT: I`m not sure. He say, you`re mine. We need to close the shed door. He did say I love you.

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BANFIELD: You heard right, I love you. Dunn`s attorney says his client is mentally incompetent to stand trial but that is not up to him. That will be

up to a judge and that will be a big decision. I want to bring in Karin Johnson, a reporter for CNN Affiliate WLWT in Cincinnati. You were in court

for this, Karin. What was it like in there?

KARIN JOHNSON, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WLWT: Well, you know, Ashleigh I can tell you when Jennifer Elliott walked into the courtroom, she walked in

slowly. She was very soft spoken, at times, she seemed really frightened. Her voice crackled when she gave her version of what happened that night.

She says she walked out of her house around 11:30 to smoke a cigarette and the next thing she remembers, she was in the bottom of that pit.

BANFIELD: So, obviously, this poor young woman and this is only recently. This is just a matter of days where she`s, you know, been rescued. She`s

facing across the courtroom at Dennis Dunn who up until this time had been a neighbor that she`s known for 15 years. Did you see any eye contact? Did

you see how Dennis Dunn was reacting to her? How she was reacting to him?

JOHNSON: You know what, what I noticed was Dennis Dunn throughout the entire testimony which lasted probably at least an hour, he was staring

directly at her for most of the testimony. She really didn`t look at him. She was just answering the questions, the prosecutors and defense attorneys

were asking her.

BANFIELD: Oh, my lord. I want to play a little more from the courtroom if you`ll let me, Karin.

JOHNSON: Yes.

BANFIELD: Because it`s just sort of a remarkable thing to see a woman who`s been victimized just within days actually make this appearance in

front of her alleged assailant. Have a listen as Jennifer Elliott talks about what she alleges Dennis Dunn was doing.

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ELLIOTT: The threats that he would make...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can say it.

ELLIOTT: Piece of shit (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he do this in person or did you make a report of this behavior?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did it stop?

ELLIOTT: No. I`ve become to know him well and he was always next door, so that`s how I knew him but other than that, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever have a romantic relationship with him?

ELLIOTT: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you afraid of him?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he appear angry to you?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he appear threatening to you?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you at any time see any weapon that he may have had on him?

ELLIOTT: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see a knife in the shed?

ELLIOTT: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you think was going to happen to you?

ELLIOTT: Die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You thought you were going to die? Have you ever been that terrified in your life?

ELLIOTT: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in Areva Martin if I can on this. You`re a victim rights` attorney, Areva. Wow, this is going to be a big case. But I

am so interested to see that they already have mounted this issue of competency, which means can you even be in this courtroom? Can you even

know what you`re facing? What do you think is going to happen here?

[20:55:00] AREVA MARTIN, VICTIM`S RIGHT ATTORNEY: I think they probably have a pretty good shot at it, which is scary because what we`re hearing is

that this wasn`t the first time that this poor victim had been taunted by her neighbor. I hate that we didn`t see her go into court and try to get a

restraining order or take some kind of preventive measures to protect herself from this individual but we see this happen all too often. Someone

is terrorized, someone is assaulted, and then there is a request by the defense attorney for psychological evaluation. There`s a, you know, a

request that the court find him incompetent...

BANFIELD: Sure, yes.

MARTIN: ...clearly, if he is, he does need to get the kind of medical treatment he would need but...

BANFIELD: Sure.

MARTIN: ...this woman has been terrorized.

BANFIELD: And even if he becomes competent, which they very often can do, then there`s the issue of is he insane, which is ultimately...

MARTIN: Yes.

[21:00:00] BANFIELD: ...the defense that they talked about today. They wanted an insanity evaluation. This has all been put off. Areva, hold that

thought for a moment we`re going to continue to watch that story and find out what happens to Jennifer Elliott. We are glad you are with us tonight

and alive.

He is just out of college, but this week CNN Hero is already making a massive difference in the lives of a lot of little kids in Cambodia. The

problem is not something you will think is a problem. It`s the lack of access to something we all just assume is always there, a bar of soap.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When children do not wash their hands, they are vulnerable to illnesses which unfortunately can take their life. No child

should suffer because there simply wasn`t any soap available. My hope for Cambodia`s youth is for them to understand that they can take their own

health into their very own hands.

Very good. Very good. Yes.

Just by a simple act such as hand washing.

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