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[08:00:00] MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Max Foster in London with breaking news. There is a terror investigation after an explosion during morning

rush hour. Police say it was an improvised explosive device that detonated on the London underground train injuring 22 people.

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FOSTER: None of the injuries are said to be serious. Police are investigating the instance terrorism there. There, you could see one

victim. It appears she's being treated for burns.

A witness saw a van panic capture this video of a smothering bucket left behind. British security source tells CNN, a timer was found on the device

and so it's clear it was intended to cause much greater harm.

Witnesses described hearing a blast and then flames all around. The train was pulling up to Parson Green station and the doors started to open.

Those panics and screaming, all the passengers did make it out.

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FOSTER: Well, the Metropolitan Police gave us an update just a short while ago, not urging anyone with information about this incident to come

forward. Listen in.

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MARK ROWLEY, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, METROPOLITAN POLICE: I want to give you an update on this morning's incident. I want to break you about the

incident that the police response and what came to public at this time.

So firstly in relation to the incident, as you reported at 8:20 this morning at Parson Green Tube station, and there was the explosion on a Tube

train. Police have attended, we now assess that this was a detonation of an improvised explosive device.

As we have seen in reports of 18 injuries and I understand most of those to be flash burns. The scene current remains cordoned off and the

investigation continues.

In terms of a police response, as it expects well practiced command structures are coming to shape and all operation letting coordinate

department was in place, working with our colleague and British transport police and others.

The investigation is being led by the of Metropolitan Police counter- terrorism command and parts of national counterterrorism police at work and there are many urgent inquiries ongoing with hundreds of statements

involves, looking at CCTV, forensic work and speaking to witnesses.

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FOSTER: Well, let's get the very latest with Erin McLaughlin is at the scene in Parson Green and the latest we're hearing separate of that

statement is that there is this timer that has been found. What's the significance of that?

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And, Max, I had a hard time hearing your question there but I would respond to the incident that unfolded not

far from here. I'm about 5 minutes away from the Parson Green Tube station where this explosion took place.

Our witnesses' say the explosion happened as the Tube train was pulling up to the station. Passengers were getting off, other passengers were getting

on, then our witnesses' describe the sort of a small explosion fire.

One passenger described how he had been to standing outside of the train, his hair -- since other images from the scene showing people badly burned.

We do understand of the 22 injuries being treated, none at this point are life threatening.

The explosion authorities say caused an improvised explosive device. A question really now for investigators is who put that improvised explosive

device on the train.

Where are the perpetrators, I was speaking to the head of the council of this area and he was telling me that possible, that that explosive device

could have gone off at any point along that train.

They have as a results of this, implemented what's called the gold standard threat -- this kind of incident here in London which involved locking down

this entire area and trying to access the situations.

You can see -- as you can see behind me now, that cordon -- the police cordon that once stood up -- set up here has something removed or just now

rather, and this is sort of what I was hearing from this local counsel there.

He was telling me that in a wake of the incident like this, they tend to throw all the resources at it, then as stocks to come established sort of

peel -- peel back of the layers of response. So we're seeing as I've said, the cordon just remove. We've been seeing some police were moving ahead.

So it seems that it's just starting to get the situation under control, establishing the facts but again, authorities saying that this was a very

much alive investigation. As far as we know, they still do not know who perpetrated this attack.

FOSTER: They're doing well whether he or she was part of wider network, right?

[08:05:00] When they got on the train, when they got off the train as well, so there are so many questions out there. People were very concerned,

aren't they in London. The security is so were a bit vulnerable as long as this investigation goes on.

MCLAUGHLIN: Absolutely, and it seems that what will most likely be a key component of this investigation as it continues is the CCTV cameras -- the

surveillance cameras that we know are throughout all of -- have run in Tube stations.

No doubt, we'll be looking at those very, very closely to see who planted this, and provides explosive device pictures from the scene, footage from a

scene shows a bucket inside if a little supermarket back with wires coming out of it.

It would seem experts say to be -- have been a rudimentary device. Again, no fatalities in this incident that clearly something like this provoking

fear among people here in London of how much worse it could have been that had something more effective per se been used.

London of course is no stranger to terror. There was an attack in June at the London Borough market area that killed six individuals.

There is also an attack, Westminster earlier in the year. There's another bomb attack in Manchester. So this is something that authorities are

acutely aware of. They have plans in place to deal with this kind of incident and clearly, have executed that plan today. Max.

FOSTER: Erin, thank you. The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, tells CNN, it's crucial that everyone in London remains vigilant and alert. But there are

-- there is no reason for anyone to be alarmed by the increased police presence they'll see in the streets from now. And that is making London a

global safe city.

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SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: We've been asked to a few weeks and months the counselor experts have been saying and that's what we've seen there's a

loss isn't a spike.

It is a shift in relation to a service backed terrorist to quip to ensure and to disrupt our way of lives. So we see the toxin of Barcelona and

Brussels, and Paris, and Rotterdam, and (Inaudible) of course it Manchester in Europe, I'm really sure that the police as serve is to do all they can

to keep us safe.

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FOSTER: Well, British Prime Minister Theresa May is showing an emergency COBRA meeting this hour. She tweeted earlier, my thought over those

injured at Parson Green, and emergency services who are responding bravely to this terrorist incident.

Earlier we heard from James Macnaughton. He was on the train between the Parsons Green station in front of Broadway when the explosion happened and

here's what he told me.

JAMES MACNAUGHTON, WITNESS, PARSONS GREEN ATTACK (via phone): I can speak of what has happened. It sounds like it seemed some kind of small scale

explosion but what I can say is that, it's being handled extremely effective by the united defenses and with really strong police presence,

helicopters over head above us, and they've seen very calm.

They just kind of evacuate the smokers that are kind of 10 to 15 at that time and so now -- and I just got off the station across the street and I'm

on my way to it, and yes, everything is good, totally fine.

FOSTER: What were people around you saying? Were they, OK?

MACNAUGHTON: Yes, everyone was fine. The policemen escort us to what was going on. We were held on the platform where we were held between Parsons

Green in front of Broadway for probably about 45 minutes to one hour.

FOSTER: What were you told?

MACNAUGHTON: We were just told to remain where we were and at first we were told to kind of go to one side of the train, and that the train would

be going back. But then it turned out a lot worse than possible, so that's when they kind of (Inaudible).

FOSTER: So you're walking down the tracks but you weren't told why.

MACNAUGHTON: No. Well, we were told that there was kind of explosion but it would be difficult to say what it was. You know, at the present time,

so they just kind of -- yes, they just said, there's no need to panic.

And were going to evacuate you in multiple groups and yes, it was very great. It was very strong police presence and everyone fell entirely safe.

It was a good team and we're laughing in that situation even though it's supposedly not to be in the situation in itself. But I hope everyone is

OK.

FOSTER: In itself in response, isn't it? But who told you those were explosions, was that the police or Tube employees?

MACNAUGHTON: -- safe, there could be (Inaudible).

FOSTER: Yes.

MACNAUGHTON: And then like everybody else, I can for myself to see what was going on.

FOSTER: But you didn't have official word on it being an explosion--

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MACNAUGHTON: No, we did.

FOSTER: -- from social media.

MACNAUGHTON: It was announced and then saying, that there have been some kind of explosion that there weren't able to say what it was.

FOSTER: Was that from the Tube driver? Who was that from? Did you know?

[08:10:00] MACNAUGHTON: That was from the -- yes, the driver and then the senior police officers tend to see, we have an announcement from a senior

official at the London police department, who discuss we'll be -- we need to be evacuated in small groups and--

FOSTER: Just to confirm, the police told you that there was an explosion. We're trying to clarify that. We've heard the reports. We haven't heard

it from an official source yet.

MACNAUGHTON: Yes, yes.

FOSTER: OK.

MACNAUGHTON: It was -- it was some kind of explosion. Yes, I think--

FOSTER: OK.

MACNAUGHTON: -- as a look of it, like a small scale explosion. I was not really (Inaudible), that's the way we came, as we're kind of pulling it

into station.

That's when alarm bells have started to ring. You I can say from my experience was that everyone -- everything is very calm. Everything was

fine. And I think they have handled rally effectively.

FOSTER: Well, point within there, it was a terror attack, so all that news really just sink in later. This update we got for you is from the London

Mayor Sadiq Khan. He says a manhunt in underway to find the person responsible for the terror attack today. So a city on edge today, back in

a moment.

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FOSTER: OK, British security source is telling CNN, a timer was found on the improvised explosion device in the London Tube. The device went off in

a train near the Parsons Green station.

This video shows a smothering bucket inside the train. Just after the explosion, the area remains on lockdown as police conduct a terror

investigation.

At least 22 people were rushed to hospitals. No of their injuries appear to be life-threatening. Witnesses say there was a loud blast and then

fire.

Commuters started panicking and screaming, some started running off the train, Prime Minister Theresa May currently chairing an emergency COBRA

meeting to discuss the incident.

Richard Aylmer-Hall is a media technology consultant. He was on the train, hit by the explosion and he described the chaotic scenes.

RICHARD AYLMER-HALL, WITNESS, PARSONS GREEN ATTACK (via phone): -- second carriage from the front and gave a device towards the back.

FOSTER: What did you see and hear?

AYLMER-HALL: I didn't actually hear anything when the device went off. I was listening to some music and reading a newspaper. So I think I was

aware was at train station that the time, hoards of people charging off and charging down the platform.

And also the train has stopped, the platform was full of people trying to get on and already sort of stampede to get out of the near exit as fast as

they could.

FOSTER: What did you think it happened? What went you're your mind at that moment?

AYLMER-HALL: Somebody said there has been a bomb, there has been a bomb.

[08:15:00] And so, everybody who was there was just panicking, screaming and walking out and leaving the scene as quick as possible.

FOSTER: I have heard reports that there was a real crime particularly going through the station itself and people got stuck, is that right?

AYLMER-HALL: Yes, it was total carnage to be honest. I have never seen a crown of people behaving like that at all. It was horrifying to see people

caught up who wouldn't be to escape.

Once I did get down at the street-level, once the underground staff starts to evacuating people, you know they were polishing people being free to buy

-- the first time they didn't scream, we got there on the scene being to crash injuries, people who have been wounded and (Inaudible) in a complete

panic.

FOSTER: When you say haven't seen people behave like that, what do you -- what do you mean? Just describe what you saw.

AYLMER-HALL: It was just -- you know, every person for themselves -- big guys just barging their way through. Women who were in tears and

screaming, (Inaudible) bars out of the way, was not a good thing to see.

FOSTER: That's the scene now as the investigation continues. There is another story. They're making headlines around the world. We need to

being you that. Kristie Lu Stout joins us now from Hong Kong with news about North Korea.

KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, absolutely, North Korea, again, defying the international community.

Max, the U.N. Security Council is holding an urgent session the coming hours after Pyongyang fired a second ballistic missile over Japan in less

than a month despite new sanctions. And just like the last one, Friday's missile flew over northern Japan. Sirens went off as it passed overhead.

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LU STOUT: Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe calls the launch totally unacceptable. South Korea immediately responded with a live fire drill.

It launch missile of its own which the military said was capable of striking North Korea's rocket launch site. Now let's take you straight to

the South Korean capital.

Ivan Watson joins us live from Seoul. And Ivan again, you know that response from South Korea after Pyongyang's latest missile test today.

Seoul fired back in a significant way. Tell us more about what they did.

IVAN WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. What we effectively saw was kind of tit-for-tat missile launchers between North and South Korea.

North Korea firing it's what's been described as this intermediate medium- range ballistic missile and South Korea clearly ready for that eventuality and promptly firing two of its own Hyunmoo II ballistic missiles.

Now our South Korean defense official told CNN that one of these two missiles that the South Koreans fired actually malfunction. It did not go

over the expected distance flashed into the sea which is perhaps a bit of embarrassment.

But the point here is that Seoul is trying to respond with a show of force to just the latest in what is a series of missile launches by North Korea

and recalled that it's been less than two weeks since North Korea conducted a nuclear test which has been almost universally condemned around the world

by the U.S. and its allies in many other countries around the world as well.

But it's a sign of the tensions that are ratcheting up, U.S. specific command said that this North Korean missile did not threaten the U.S.

westernmost island of Guam which had been threatened by Pyongyang in the past.

But the U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that it was the second time that North Korea had directly threatened Japan in less than three

weeks since it also fired another missile over Japanese territory at the end of August.

Basically, the U.S. and its allies don't really know what to do with his inexorable march forward -- this relentless match for the Pyongyang is

making on further developing its band arsenal of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. Kristie.

LU STOUT: So the focus is on those sanctions about military pressure but we saw earlier today from South Korea and given the threat posed by North

Korea.

What's the latest thinking inside the South, about arming out, about allowing more powerful defensive weapons, even nuclear weapons inside the

country?

WATSON: Well the South Korean President, Moon Jae-in flatly said no that he does not want the developments of a South Korean nuclear bomb or

deployments of nuclear weapons here in the south and he feels that that would lead to an arms race here on the Korean Peninsula.

And that was in response to the questions posed to him by our own Paul Hancocks just hours before the North Korean missile launch early in the

morning on Friday.

[08:20:00] But he has repeated that South Korea does have the capability to react and defend South Korean citizens in the event of further provocations

from North Korea.

Meanwhile, the South Korean ally -- Rex, the U.S. Secretary of State, he has singled out in his own statement China and Russia once again saying

that China is the biggest supplier of oil and that Russia is the biggest employer almost North Korean forced labor and has called on all countries

to further isolate North Korea.

We can probably expect more diplomacy going on at the gathering of the United Nations General Assembly in the coming weeks but again, you are

stuck with this same situation of Pyongyang repeatedly threatening to drown the U.S., Japan and South Korea in a single nuclear fire.

And you has just judge this week, the South Korean president saying well he still open to some kind of peaceful resolution of this nuclear stalemate on

the Korean peninsula. Kristie.

LU STOUT: That certain word defined, say it again from North Korea this just a week after the United Nations hit it with new sanctions, Ivan

Watson, reporting live us from Seoul. Thank you very much indeed for that and take care.

Now this weekend, Will Ripley is giving us an exclusive look inside North Korea and we want to show you a clip. I'm showing what North Koreans are

taught about Americans.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I have reported from North Korea more than a dozen times over the last few years. Each time, we open the door a

little more. And see this country and its people in unexpected ways.

Just like this. Yes, even in North Korea, kids love video games. For these 14 and 15-year-olds, these are not just games. This is practice for

real life.

Most of these boys, and a lot of the girls, will spend their first years of adulthood serving in the Korean People's Army, just like their parents and

grandparents before them. What do you like about this game?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Killing the enemy.

RIPLEY: Hitting the enemy. Who's the enemy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Americans.

RIPLEY: This hatred of Americans stems from the Korean War. North Korea contradicts Western historians, saying that America started the war that

killed millions of civilians and divided the Korean Peninsula. Who do you want to fight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): To fight the sworn enemy, Americans.

RIPLEY: What do they teach you about Americans in school?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): They forcibly invaded us, slaughtered our people, buried them -- buried them alive. Buried them alive

and killed them.

RIPLEY: So, they teach you that the Americans are the enemy and you need to shoot them or to fight them?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Yes.

RIPLEY: Here's where things get awkward. What if I told you that I'm an American. Do you want to shoot me, too?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Yes.

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LU STOUT: OK. Well, that's Secret State inside North Korea, it air Saturday 8 p.m. here in Hong Kong, 9 p.m. in Seoul only on CNN. Now MSE

international is weighing in on Myanmar's crackdown on a Rohingya Muslims, calling it ethnic cleansing and a crime against humanity.

It says that villages are being torched and orchestrated, and systematic campaign. The government of Myanmar acknowledges almost 40 percent of

Rohingya villages in the country had the empty of inhabitants.

A spokesman said, that is because potential terrorists were ordered to leave. CNN's Alexandra Field is covering the story for us in Cox's Bazar,

Bangladesh where Human Rights watch says the humanitarian catastrophe is currently unfolding.

And, Alex, now reports that up to 400,000 Rohingya have fled Myanmar for Bangladesh in the last three weeks. Is there enough aid on the ground

there in Bangladesh for them?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, Kristie. Not at all and that is because of the fact that you got this sheer volume of people who have hoard

over this border in such a quick period of time.

We're talking about three weeks, 400,000 people the map doesn't up when it comes to providing resources and aids that is so badly needed to these

people. The stuff that I mean right now is really to set up a makeshift camp behind me.

You might be able to see as that sun really finally sets here, there are charts that entire family are sleeping under because that's the only

shelter they can managed to find.

This is a safer place it seems for them were just about 3 kilometers from the border of Myanmar. The families that are here in this camp tell me

stories of how they have walked for days. Some of them chose boats in order to reach Bangladesh. They did this fleeing a violent military

campaign.

[08:25:00] They saw people being shot around them. They saw their villages have been set up in flames and now they get here, and they cannot get the

things that they need. They cannot get the shelter that they need in many cases.

They cannot afford the food or the water that need, certainly international aid organizations and the government here in Bangladesh is trying to

provide the necessary resources. But again, you're talking about 400,000 people, so they say, they have to prioritize.

There is no other way and they're trying serve the most vulnerable populations first. I saw a line today, Kristie, of some 300,000 families,

that's what we're told that line amount. These are people who are going to wait all day long just for some major rations.

What we're also seeing, as we waive in and out of this area that is so quickly populated with refugees right now are local people who are getting

on trucks. They're trying to help.

They want to provide some supplies that really is causing chaos because there is such desperation that swarms of people just swarm this trucks and

really, it's the kind of dangerous situation that the aid organizations want to head off.

What they are trying to do right now besides getting those essentials to people is also to get care for people. So many of the refugees who cross

over into Bangladesh are starving, they haven't had meals for days.

They are arriving here sick. They are arriving here with gun shot wounds. Some of them have been the victims of landmine injuries.

There are even -- we're told that the Red Cross who have arrived here, so malnourished, they have given birth, they have not been able to save their

babies lives.

And the Red Cross are telling that they're actually (Inaudible) when these young babies born here on this and some have died. And their bodies are

being buried in the mud because there is nowhere else for them to be. Kristie.

LU STOUT: Oh, my goodness. That's just a really gut wrenching. The refugees who have over to Bangladesh and made it, they -- as you point out,

they're exhausted.

They're frightened, terrified hungry, lacking the bare essentials and this, after that dangerous journey fleeing Myanmar, you recently visited a

hospital treating Rohingya refugees. What do they tell you?

FIELD: Yes, these are some of the most injured refugees we're taking to a hospital in Chittagong. It's not that far away from here.

A couple of hours on the road, that hospital to put into perspective, typically has about 700 beds. They should be able to serve about 700

patients.

But they're capacity is nearly thousand and that's not because of the refugee crisis. That's the basic overcrowding at the hospital.

This is the region has it's own difficulties in providing for the locals who already live here. Now you've got this population of 400,000 refugees

who crossed over the border in just three weeks who had another 400,000 Rohingya refugees who are already in place.

This is why you have a humanitarian crisis here, Kristie. We're talking about 800,000 displace people trying to get help. The most seriously

injured getting help from the hospitals in the region, the rest left you depend on the medical tense that are springing up in the area.

LU STOUT: All right, Alex, we thank you for your reporting and for being a witness to the Rohingya crisis that is still weeks and still unfolding.

Alexandra Field reporting live for us from Cox's Bazar in Bangladesh.

Drone video over the Caribbean Island of Saint Martian paints a hunting picture of life after hurricane Irma. Now people there are desperate for

food, water, medicines, communications, as well as security.

And with the garbage piling up in the streets and those sanitation facilities are still closed, fears of disease are adding to the misery.

Millions of Florida residents are still without power after hurricane Irma. U.S. President Donald Trump went to see damage first-hand on Thursday, and

the White House says that he also plans to visit Puerto Rico, and so is the U.S. Virgin Islands.

You're watching CNN and we'll have more on the explosion on the London too, which is being treated as a terrorism incident after the short break.

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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: Hello, everybody. I am Hala Gorani. We are coming to you live from London with the latest on

our breaking news.

An explosive device in the London tube this morning going off at 8:20 in the middle of rush hour. British police are investigating what they are

saying is a suspected terrorist incident at that west London tube station not far from our position here. Here is the latest information we have for

you. Twenty-two people have been taken to hospital after that IED went off on a train during morning hour, morning rush hour I should say.

You can imagine trains packed with commuters going to work. The British Prime Minister, Theresa May, is chairing a Cobra meeting. This is an

emergency meeting in this country when there are matters of -- such as this; big security matters, terrorist attacks, suspected terrorist

incidents. A British security source tells CNN that a timer was found on this explosive device.

Take a look at the photo. It shows a smoldering bucket left behind on a train. The American president, Donald Trump, very quickly took to Twitter

and denounced the indent, saying, loser terrorists must be dealt with in a much tougher manner. The internet is their main recruitment tool, which we

must cut off and use better. And by the way, he also took the opportunity to defend what he called a travel ban, suggesting it should be in fact much

wider, but then it wouldn't be politically correct to do so.

Now, this is obviously, as you know, not the first time the U.K. has suffered anything like this. Multiple terrorist attacks this year. In

March, a man drove a car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, killing four people and injuring 50 before stabbing a police officer to death at

the entrance of the Houses of Parliament.

In May, at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, a suicide bomber killed 22 people including young children, a particularly horrific attack,

injuring a hundred others. Just one month later, seven people were killed and 48 injured in central London when three men rammed a vehicle into a

crowd on London Bridge and then went on a stabbing spree in Borough Market.

Later in June, one person was killed and nine others were injured when a van plowed into pedestrians outside Finsbury Park Mosque in London. And of

course now what happened today though thankfully we're hearing no deaths and no life-threatening injuries.

Joining me now is Stephen Cowan, leader of London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham. Thanks very much for joining us. So, the latest on the

investigation now, do police have an idea who their suspect is or is this still very much a manhunt situation?

STEPHEN COWAN, LEADER OF LONDON BOROUGH OF HAMMERSMITH & FULHAM: It is a manhunt situation, but we have a very effective operation that came in

shortly after 8:20.

What you will see is every single aspect of the emergency services put under one joint gold standard command which initially closed down this part

(INAUDIBLE), began to look at all the CCTV recordings, and began to trace the perpetrator (INAUDIBLE) safety of our citizens is fundamental to this.

Sadly (ph), we now have a very practiced way of locking a situation down and protecting people to make sure --

GORANI: But, I mean, in some ways you can say it is sophisticated and that we understand from the security source that there was a timer on the

device. But in other ways, it appears as though essentially this was a failure that was intended to cause this explosive device much more damage

than it did.

COWAN: It looks like that. It will be dangerous to speculate. What we know is that many different forms of terrorism can happen for many different

reasons and levels of sophistication.

[08:35:00] What is important is that when there is the first incidence that we close it down. What you see here is a joint of approach from the police,

all aspects of the emergency and security services.

So, they're currently carrying out the manhunt. They're looking at every single trace and every single allegation. I'm absolutely confident that we

will catch the persons with poisonous mind who tried to do this to our citizens.

GORANI: Yes. And also, people around the world may not know this, but I believe London is the city with the most CCTV cameras per capita.

Obviously, this means that whoever did this would have been caught on camera, even if he or she tried to detonate it remotely. So, this is also

going to help the investigation.

COWAN: I think that does help. I think that's critical, but we actually have a very sophisticated response from monitoring how the incident was

used to looking at a wide array of suspects. So, it will be interesting to see if this is someone who was being monitored or this is just a random

lone wolf who has come in from nowhere. What I would stress is these people continue to try to do that to our city. What you see around you is a

diverse city with people of many face living as one. Those people will knock us off our course.

GORANI: Well, I can confirm that we've seen with our own eyes that people are going about their business.

COWAN: Absolutely.

GORANI: Essentially, it could be also a product of having had to endure several bigger attacks and that people are just getting on with their

lives. But the reality is there is someone on the loose here who tried to kill people on a commuter train this morning.

COWAN: I think there is always going to be dangerous people and terrorists. The two types of responses you look for is one, what are the security

systems going to do to catch and kill and contain this. I'm absolutely confident and proud to everything they're doing.

The second situation in any society is how to create a civilized response that defines it as a city. This is a great progressive city with people of

all different types of lives and diversity. They are not going to stop us doing that and that's London's response.

GORANI: What do you make of Donald Trump tweeting these are loser terrorists and they were probably within the sights of the police. I mean,

it seems like he's tweeting like he has information.

COWAN: I think he's once again got the tone wrong. I wish he'd butt out of our affairs.

GORANI: Stephen Cowan, thanks very much.

COWAN: Thank you.

GORANI: We appreciate your time. The leader of the London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham. We'll have a lot more on our breaking news story

after a quick break. We'll be right back.

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GORANI: Welcome back. Let's update you once again on our breaking news out of London. Police are investigating a suspected terrorist incident on a

tube train which wounded at least 22 people. The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, says a manhunt is now underway to find the perpetrator. British security

source tells CNN that a timer was found on the device which detonated during rush hour.

Officials say most of the victims' injuries appear to be from flash burns that are not thought to be life-threatening. Matthew Chance is on the

scene. He's here with me in fact. So, Matthew, there's still very much a manhunt underway right now in London.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: (INAUDIBLE) I mean obviously we have an incident like this where this improvised explosive

device has been detonated through that timer that exists on this tube station -- tube train in Westminster, London. Obviously, they are looking

first and foremost for the person or a group that was behind carrying this out. So, inevitably,

[08:40:00] there is going to be a manhunt. And it speaks to a much broader problem actually in this country. There are 3,000 people according to

metropolitan police that made this point after the Manchester bombings, that are under sort of constant surveillance by the authorities on

suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack. And, obviously, occasionally, one of them gets through and that seems to be what happened this time.

GORANI: And thankfully in this case it appears that the device did not cause the damage it was intended to cause even though there was the

sophistication of the timer on it.

CHANCE: Right. The authorities have made it pretty clear that this was obviously something that was intended to cause mass casualties. The fact

that it was placed on a crowded (ph) busy tube train implies that that was of course what the intention was as well. It would have been absolutely

packed at 8:20 in the morning when this thing went off, commuters going to work in central London. It clearly didn't go off in the way it was

intended. You are right, it is worrying development that it was a timer that was on this device. It implies some aspiration and sophistication.

GORANI: I will say one thing. That doesn't fit the MO of the attacks we've seen this year. The attackers have been present. They were basically

suicide mission, even the stabbers. This is something slightly different, the fact that it was a remote kind of effort to remotely detonate

something. So I find that interesting. I don't know if you do.

CHANCE: I think it's very interesting. Clearly, this was not intended to be sort of a suicide attack like those other ones were. And I think that talks

to, you know, this sort of whole range of difference sort of lone wolf scenarios that the authorities have to deal with. And of course I will

talks to the fact that you can get a lot of this information about how to construct basic explosive devices on an instant and that may be what

happened in this case.

GORANI: Right. So, right now, we really have no -- I mean, the police may have more information. We were discussing with our previous guest, the

number of security camera. You have security cameras on trains, on platforms. I mean, at some point, someone was filmed putting this package

down.

CHANCE: Almost inevitably. This is one of the most closely watched cities in the world, particularly the public transport system of the tube service.

They're going to find I suspect the perpetrator of this. Certainly what we will be seeing right now are teams of people that will be scouring the

closed circuit television camera footage to see if they can see anything suspicious that they can identify at this early stage. They may have gotten

already to that point.

GORANI: Yes. Well, so, this was an intended terrorist attack. The whole point of terrorism is to scare people, freak them out. But the Londoners

are taking in their strides today, it seems like --

CHANCE: That's the real that everybody living in London has to deal with. You step on a train, you're in danger of that train being a target.

GORANI: Thanks so much, Matthew Chance, our senior international correspondent joining us in London this hour with our breaking news. I'm

Hala Gorani. I'll see you a little bit later with more breaking news from the British capital. Do stay with CNN.

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