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New York Terror Attack; Russia Investigation; Michael Fallon Resigns; Brett Ratner Accused of Sexual Misconduct; A Look at Russian-Paid Ads; Using Technology to Battle Radicalization; Trump Repeats Call For Death Penalty; No Food Or Water At Refugee Detention Center; Hanoi POV: Monsoon Music Festival; Keeping It Real In The Classroom; The Victims' Stories. Aired at 8:9a ET
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN NEWS STREAM SHOW HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream."
The man accused of killing eight people with a truck in New York is speaking to investigators as the president of the United States tweets
about the suspect.
These are the ads bought by Russian-linked accounts on Facebook, apparently trying to show conflict during the U.S. presidential election.
And we get a first-hand account of the humanitarian crisis in Manus Island, where hundreds of refugees refuse to leave a detention center despite being
denied access to food and water.
And we begin in New York City where the suspect in the deadly vehicle attack has been charged with federal terrorism crimes including providing
material support to ISIS. Twenty-nine-year-old Sayfullo Saipov has been talking to investigators about the attack and what he allegedly had to say
led to an angry late-night tweet from the U.S. president. Joe Johns has more.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Diversity lottery sounds nice. It's not nice.
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Overnight, President Trump tweeting that the suspect in New York City's terror attack
should get death penalty. The president also saying he would consider the suspect labeled an enemy combatant by the White House to the controversial
prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
TRUMP: Send him to Gitmo. I would certainly consider that, yes.
JOHNS (voice-over): Mr. Trump continuing to politicize Tuesday's tragedy to advance his immigration policies.
TRUMP: We want to immediately work with congress on the diversity lottery program, on terminating it, getting rid of it.
JOHNS (voice-over) The president calling for an end to the diversity visa lottery program, a program that allow the New York City terror suspect to
gain entry to the U.S. in 2010, and demanding that congress get tougher on vetting for immigrants coming to the U.S., shifting the country away from a
family-based system towards a merit-based one.
TRUMP: We have to get much less politically correct. We're so politically correct that we're afraid to do anything.
JOHNS (voice-over): The president blaming New York's Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer for implementing the program and endangering the country.
Schumer helped craft the bill that was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush in 1990. But In 2013, Schumer was also a part of a bipartisan
group known as the Gang of Eight that pushed to end the diversity program.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: The preside ought to stop tweeting and start leading. It's less than a day than after it occurred, and he can't
refrain from his nasty divisive habits. He ought to lead.
JOHNS (voice-over): President Trump also venting his frustration at U.S. courts, insisting they're too slow and too lenient.
TRUMP: We also have to come up with punishment that's far quicker and far greater than the punishment these animals are getting right now, because
what we have right now is a joke, and it's a laughing stock.
JOHNS (voice-over): Press Secretary Sarah Sanders mischaracterizing the president's remarks when asked by reporters.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said that the system of justice in this country was a joke.
SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: He said that process. He said the process has people calling us a joke and calling us a laughing
JOHNS (voice-over): The president's comments and tweets after the New York attacks starkly different from his response to the mass shooting in Las
Vegas that left 58 dead and injuring hundreds more. The president then dismissing the idea of discussing gun control as inappropriate.
TRUMP: We're not going to talk about that.
JOHNS (voice-over): It took 24 hours for the president to reach out to New York's leaders after the attack, but the governor making clear the
president's tweets are a distraction.
GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: The president's tweets, I think, were not helpful. I don't think they were factual. I think they tended to point
fingers and politicize the situation.
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LU STOUT: And that was CNN's Joe Johns reporting there. Moments ago, Mr. Trump tweeted again, saying this, "I would love to send the New York City
terrorist to Guantanamo, but statistically that process takes much longer than going through the federal system."
He went to say, there is also something appropriate about keeping him in the home of the horrible crime he committed. Should move fast, all caps,
death penalty. According to authorities, Saipov, the suspect, has shown no remorse for the attack. They say that this was
[08:05:00] no spontaneous act, adding that the suspect planned what they call even more carnage. CNN's Alex Marquardt has the latest on the
ALEXANDER MARQUARDT, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The man accused of carrying out a mile-long killing spree on a New York City
bike path officially charged on federal terrorism charges, including providing support to ISIS.
JOHN MILLER, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF INTELLIGENCE AND COUNTER-TERRORISM, NYPD: He appears to have followed, almost exactly to a T, the instructions
that ISIS has put out.
MARQUARDT (voice-over): Authorities revealing chilling new details about how 29-year-old Sayfullo Saipov became radicalized while living in the U.S.
Prosecutors say he began plotting the attack one year ago.
JOON KIM, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK: Saipov allegedly admitted that he was inspired to commit the attack by the
ISIS videos he watched.
MARQUARDT (voice-over): The criminal complaint says Saipov was inspired by ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, investigators finding dozens of videos
and thousands of images of a terror group on his cell phone, which was recovered at the attack site.
Authorities say Saipov waived his Miranda rights and told them he chose Halloween because he believed more people would be on the street and wanted
to "inflict maximum damage against civilians." From his hospital bed, prosecutors say Saipov confessed that he was proud of what he did, even
asking them to hang an ISIS flag in his room. Investigators say Saipov rented a similar truck just last week to make a practice run.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first time I saw him was three weeks ago.
MARQUARDT (voice-over): Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I guess he passed the (INAUDIBLE) truck out.
MARQUARDT (voice-over): Some neighbors surprised, saying he was polite, non-confrontational, even a peace maker. But an acquaintance in Ohio
describes him as a nervous man, even aggressive, but still saw no signs of radicalization.
Police outlining how quickly Saipov carried out the attack. He rented a truck at a Home Depot in New Jersey just an hour before. Police license
plate readers capturing the truck crossing the George Washington Bridge and roughly 20 minutes later, police say Saipov jumped a curb onto the bike
path, mowing down pedestrians and cyclists for nearly a mile.
Investigators now say Saipov planned to continue down to the Brooklyn Bridge, but was stopped unexpectedly when he crashed into this school bus.
Officer Ryan Nash, who shot Saipov as he tried to flee the scene, telling reporters, that he's no hero.
RYAN NASH, POLICE OFFICER, NYPD: Although I feel that we were just doing our job, like thousands of officers do every day. I understand the
importance of yesterday's events and the role we played.
MARQUARDT (voice-over): This as we are learning more about the eight people killed. Among the victims, five men from Argentina celebrating their 30th
high school reunion. This video showing the group enjoying a bike ride along the Hudson River just before the attack.
Another tourist also killed, 31-year-old Ann-Laure Decadt, visiting from Belgium. She leaves behind two young sons. And two American victims,
Nicholas Cleves, a 23-year-old New York native, and 32-year-old Darren Drake from nearby New Milford, New Jersey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had everything going for him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nice guy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything in the world you can imagine.
LU STOUT: Oh, a terrible loss after a horrific attack. In just a day, President Donald Trump is to leave Washington for Asia for what some say
will be the most complicated trip of his presidency. But the preoccupation with the Russia investigation may prove to be a distraction. CNN's Jim
Sciutto looks at where that stands.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight former trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick
Gates are under house arrest after prosecutors argue they might try to flee the country.
In new court documents, special counsel Robert Mueller accuses the pair of a "history of deceptive and misleading conduct" and paints a picture of
them as globetrotting millionaires with extensive "international connections and financial resources."
Both Manafort and Gates pleaded not guilty. The charges related to their lobbying for the Ukraine government. The document note that Manafort has
three U.S. passports, each with different numbers, and has applied for 10 separate passports over the last 10 years.
Within just the last year, Manafort has traveled to cities around the world; Panama City, Cancun, Havana, Grand Cayman Island, Madrid, Dubai,
Shanghai, and Tokyo. On trips to Mexico, Ecuador, and china, Manafort registered a phone and e-mail account under a fake name.
Manafort and Gates also both frequently travel to Cyprus, home to many of their offshore bank accounts. Prosecutors say it is difficult to estimate
the current value of Manafort's fortune, since Manafort himself has recorded wildly disparate amounts in his financial disclosures, ranging
from $19 million in 2012 to $136 million in 2016.
REP. JACKIE SPEIER (D), CALIFORNIA: Paul Manafort has a long reputation working on campaigns, on presidential campaigns.
[08:10:00] But the fact that he is an outlaw to the extent that has been disclosed so far, it is deeply concerning, I think, to all of us.
SCIUTTO (voice-over): CNN has learned then candidate Trump did not dismiss the idea of meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin when his foreign
policy adviser George Papadopoulos suggested it at a meeting in March 2016. He didn't say yes, and he didn't say no, according to a person who was in
the room at the time.
However, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who was also present for the meeting rejected the idea, according to this source. This despite the fact
that in sworn testimony last month, Sessions insisted that he was not aware of any campaign staff or surrogates communicating with Russians.
SEN. AL FRANKEN (D), MINNESOTA: You don't believe that surrogates from the Trump campaign had communications with the Russians. Is that what you were
JEFF SESSIONS, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES: I did not and I'm not aware of anyone else that did, and I don't believe it happened.
SCIUTTO: The White House has said that President Trump himself does not remember the March meeting with Papadopoulos, the foreign policy adviser,
and that that adviser only attended one meeting. But CNN has learned he attended at least one other foreign policy meeting, though the president
was not present. Jim Sciutto, CNN, Washington.
LU STOUT: British Prime Minister Theresa May has replaced her defense secretary as her government comes under pressure to address a growing
sexual harassment scandal, and the appointment of Gavin Williamson taking place just one day after Michael Fallon resigned from his post over
allegations of inappropriate conduct.
He admits his behavior fell below the required standards but denies some of the accusations against him. Earlier this week, the conservative MP
apologized for touching a journalist on the knee, an incident that took place 15 years ago.
Fred Pleitgen joins us from Number 10 Downing street with more on the story. And Fred, he denies some of the allegations, so why did Michael
Fallon decide to resign?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, one of the things that Michael Fallon, Kristie, was saying is he said that he is
resigning because some of the behavior that he said that he had conducted himself with, that he didn't meet standards or the standards that he thinks
were appropriate, especially as someone obviously serving the military forces here of this country.
Now, it's quite interesting, of course, there are some speculations that here in Britain, whether or not that really was the sole reason of why he
is resigning, of course, a lot of this refers to one incident that happened in 2002 where he allegedly touched a woman's knee several times before
Now she herself, the accuser herself, she came out and she said she doesn't believe that he would resign only about this, but if you look at some the
things that he said, some of the reasoning that he has been given, he kept saying that he occasionally overstepped boundaries, so there are some who
believe that there might be other reasons as well. I want you to listen real quick into his reasoning and what he believes should happen next.
Let's listen to Michael Fallon.
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MICHAEL FALLON, FORMER U.K. DEFENSE SECRETARY: Clearly, the prime minister has made it clear now, there are a number of allegations swirling around,
many of them are obviously false. But there are some serious issues here that staff at Westminster need to be better protected and that claims of
harassment need to be properly investigated. The prime minister has now set that machinery in motion. And clearly that from now on has to apply to all
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PLEITGEN: He's talking about allegations swirling around. That of course pertains not only to Michael Fallon himself, but to other members of the
cabinet here of Miss May. There are two cabinet minsters who are under investigation. So, Kristie, really we have two strands here. On the one
hand, you have the cabinet of Theresa May, which right now has been weakened and there is really a question mark over at least two of the other
ministers as well.
And then of course you have this whole big complex of how people conduct themselves in Westminster and whether the culture there needs to change,
LU STOUT: Is there a sense that this is a widening scandal? I mean felony for the first British minister to step over these allegations of
harassment, but will there be others?
PLEITGEN: That is the big question. I think that there is -- I wouldn't say the expectation, but there certainly is, that the threat that there could
be others who might have to resign as well. One of Theresa May's deputies is clearly under investigation for alleged inappropriate conduct in the
past. Another minister also under investigation as well.
One of the things that folks here have been speculating is how big a reshuffle the cabinet would take after Michael Fallon resigned. There
hasn't been that big of a reshuffle. Gavin Williamson was appointed very quickly, as you noted, less than 24 hours after Michael Fallon resigned.
But if there are other resignations then that certainly would weaken the cabinet a great deal at a time that is very inopportune for the British
government. Of course, right now, they are trying to project strength as there are negotiations about Brexit also right now and they have budget
consultations that are going on as well.
So it comes at a very, very bad time. There certainly are people who believe that if this goes on and if there is wider investigation that
certainly there could be others who might have to resign as well. But that doesn't pertain to the government and to the cabinet,
[08:15:00] but also pertains to Westminster in general. Prime minister came out yesterday. She went in front of parliament. She said, look, things need
to change, the culture needs to change, and there needs to be a mechanism. This was something that she was very clear about. She believes there need
to be a mechanism where people who become victims of inappropriate conduct need to be able to get out and talk about this and make sure something is
done about it without having to face any sort of fear and any sort of retribution, Kristie.
LU STOUT: Got you. Fred Pleitgen reporting live for us from 10 Downing Street on the sexual allegations hitting Westminster. We thank you for your
Now to the sexual misconduct scandal that's gripping Hollywood, director and producer Brett Ratner is the latest high profile figure now facing
accusations. Let's go straight to our senior media correspondent Brian Stelter for more in New York. Brian, on Brett Ratner, he's another big
Hollywood player accused of harassment. Tell us more about the allegations and how he is responding.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: The dominoes just keep falling four weeks after the Harvey Weinstein investigation first came out.
Brett Ratner is coming under scrutiny for inappropriate behavior with a number of Hollywood actresses. They say that he was gratifying himself in
front of them on multiple occasions, multiple women then speaking on the record to the Los Angeles Times.
And what I'm so struck by, Kristie, is after the Times published the story with six women names, now at least 20 others have contacted the newspaper
also making allegations against Ratner. He has denied this. He is hoping to restore his name, he says.
But for the time being, he has broken off his relationship with Warner Brothers, which like CNN as a Time Warner Company, he had a big financial
deal with Warner Brothers. He says for now, the companies are splitting up, while he deals with this fallout.
LU STOUT: For Ratner, as you point out, the allegations are piling up. Let's shift our focus to NPR. We know that a senior vice president of news
resigned amid allegations of sexual harassment. What did he say about his behavior?
STELTER: NPR has a real problem here. Michael Oreskes was the head of news at the network for the past couple of years. He resigned yesterday and
admitted to improper behavior with some women in his past. He said he deeply apologizes for that.
This story is now about NPR senior management, what they did or didn't know about these claims against Oreskes. There is a lot of anger at the CEO of
NPR for perceived weakness on this front, for trying to stall and not do enough, not take this seriously enough when it was brought to his attention
several weeks ago.
So my sense from sources that the organization is that there is a lot of resentment for how the organization handle this. You know, it's another
example of the multiple branches of the problem here. It's not just alleged harassment.
It's also about the kind of chilling effect it has on an organization and the concerns about how human resources departments don't always take swift
action. So there is a number of ripple effects we see from the Harvey Weinstein scandal one month ago.
LU STOUT: Absolutely. The culture needs to change. Safe work places need to be created. Brian Stelter, thank you as always for your reporting and take
STELTER: Thank you.
LU STOUT: Keep it here because you are watching "News Stream." Still to come right here on the program, what exactly did a Russian troll farm pay
for on Facebook, Twitter, and Google? We are going to take a look at the ads used to create tension during the U.S. election.
Also ahead, they are terrified to go, terrified to stay. Asylum seekers and refugees at an Australian-run immigration detention center are being told
the leave. We will tell you why they refuse to go.
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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong. Welcome back. This is "News Stream." We are finally getting a look at what type of ads were bought by a
troll farm linked to the Russian government. They appeared on Facebook, Twitter, and Google during the U.S. election.
The so-called internet research agency created a pro-Trump page linked to a petition to remove Hillary Clinton from the ballot. The IRA also targeted
conservatives in the U.S. with a religious reference like this one that claims Hillary Clinton is Satan.
Both sides were attacked. This ad promotes a "Not My President" event after election day. But not all posts were about the vote. Some targeted the
Black Lives Matter's movement. The page called "Black Matters" features pictures of African-Americans shot by police. All those pages were paid for
in Russian rubles. A U.S. senator explains how the ads were aimed to trigger real events in the U.S.
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SEN. RICHARD BURR (R), NORTH CAROLINA: What neither side could have known was that Russia trolls were encouraging both sides to battle in the streets
and create divisions between real Americans. Ironically, one person who attended stated, "the Heart of Texas promoted this event, but we didn't see
one of them."
We now know why. It's hard to attend an event in Houston, Texas, when you're trolling from a site in St. Petersburg, Russia. Establishing these
two competing groups, paying for the ads, and causing this disruptive event in Houston cost Russia about $200.
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LU STOUT: Damning evidence there. That was U.S. Senator Richard Burr speaking about the protests that were triggered by the internet research
agency. But one Belgium entrepreneur believes that technology can actually help guide young people away from violence and extremism. Samuel Burke
finds out how an ISIS attack was inspiration to create a tech incubator called Molengeek.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a night that's painfully hard to forget. Terror on the streets of Paris. A series of attacks across the city of lights. The most gruesome,
the massacre at the Bataclan Theater where 90 people lost their lives. The manhunt led investigators to the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek, between the
tree-lined streets and low-rise apartments. Three of the Paris lived here.
IBRAHIM OUASSARI, MOLENGEEK ENTREPRENEUR: I never think these people of my area can do something like that. Never. So, I start some reflection.
BURKE (voice-over): Ibrahim Ouassari was born in Molenbeek to Moroccan parents. He knows how much of a struggle it is economically for young
people in this area, so he decided to teach what he knows how to do best, coding, opening a community center called Molengeek. There is just one
requirement he looks for an applicant.
OUASSARI: We don't need people with a lot of skills. We need people who want to share, want to be a real part of this community, want to learn,
want to change in their life.
BURKE (voice-over) There is nothing old school about the lessons taught here. All the instruction is done in small groups and in one-on-one
training. When Belgium's vice prime minister heard about the program, he immediately asked Ibrahim to come to his office. A week after their
meeting, the Belgium government began supporting Molengeek.
ALEXANDER DE CROO, DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF BELGIUM: This is someone who has has grown up himself in Molenbeek, who those young kids really look up
to him and see him as an example, really as a role model.
BURKE (on camera): What are the measures of success for Molengeek? How do you know that it is working? Is it working?
DE CROO: One of the measures is just to see how many people are part of that community and we have seen that month after month, more people are
BURKE (on camera): They had to even turn down people who want to join the program?
DE CROO: Exactly. So that shows that there is definitely an attraction to what they are doing.
[08:25:00] We see that there are projects that are being brought outside as well and are starting to try to be businesses.
BURKE (on camera): Has anybody gone on and created their own app? Their own company?
OUASSARI (voice-over): QuickLyric is an application downloaded more than half million times.
BURKE (on camera): What does the app do?
OUASSARI (voice-over): Give you the lyric of the music.
BURKE (voice-over): Money hasn't just come in from the government. Big tech companies like Google have helped fund the school. A Samsung executive who
has overseen that company's investment in Molengeek says what's key for them is to actually remain hands off.
LUKAS SCHMEINK, VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS, SAMSUNG: We entered this strongly from the corporate social responsibility perspective. That
perspective, we stay loyal. Otherwise, you start moving around and then it becomes blurry, what you came to do here.
BURKE (voice-over): Ibrahim was even asked to speak at the U.N. where he shared best practices for public private partnerships. His biggest problem
now isn't getting neighbors to finish the program. He faces the biggest hurdle any successful start-up does.
OUASSARI: Scale up and to have more support because we have a lot of request.
BURKE (on camera): And there is so much demand.
OUASSARI: Yes, we have so much demand.
BURKE (voice-over): Now he's looking for ways to replicate his neighborhood coding school around the world. The only regret -- that it could have been
done sooner. Samuel Burke, CNN, Molenbeek, Belgium.
LU STOUT: You're watching "News Stream." Still ahead, President Trump criticizes the U.S. criminal justice system and says the New York City
terror suspect should get the death penalty. We got the latest from the White House coming up.
LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You are watching "News Stream" and these are your world headlines.
The suspect in the New York City vehicle attack has been charged with federal terrorism crimes including providing material support to ISIS.
Authorities say 29-year-old Sayfullo Saipov began plotting the attack a year ago and he had thousands of ISIS propaganda images on his cell phone.
The U.S. president is repeating the call for the terror suspect to receive the death penalty. Donald Trump tweeted earlier that he would love to send
the suspect to Guantanamo Bay but the process takes too long. He added "there is also something appropriate about keeping him in the home of the
horrible crime he committed. Should move fast. Death penalty."
British Prime Minister Theresa May has replaced her defense secretary
[08:30:00] as her government comes under pressure to address a growing sexual harassment scandal. Michael Fallon resigned from his post on
Wednesday over allegations of inappropriate conduct. He is being replaced by Gavin Williamson.
The bank of England had hike interest rates for the first time in 10 years. The shift was widely predicted as the economy struggles of falling
unemployment and lower pound. Plus, uncertainty over Brexit. We will extensive coverage on CNN Money about half an hour from now.
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LU STOUT: Back to our top story. The New York City terror attack is fueling a series of angry tweets from President Trump. Let's get more now
from our senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns.
He joins us live from the White House. Joe, thank you for joining us. Let's talk more about Trump's angry visceral response to that terror
He has called the suspect an animal. He has repeated his call for him to get the death penalty. How unprecedented is this type of reaction from the
JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Certainly unusual. On one hand, it will probably be viewed by many people in the president's base as well as many
New Yorkers as appropriate given the act, the -- an atrocity committed in the president's hometown.
On the other hand, for the president of the United States to talk in this way certainly raises questions about the ability of this suspect to get a
fair trial and to get a fair determination of the death penalty.
If it were to go in that direction, some of these crimes has been implicated in, do attach the death penalty as a possibility. So problem on
the issue of fair trial, perhaps some would suggested from the academic side, problem with the separation of powers.
The president of United States supposed to stay in his lane and let the judiciary decide judiciary issue but as we all know, the president has also
been highly critical of federal judges from time to time. Kristie.
LU STOUT: Yes, and he has been very critical about certainly immigration program. Let's about his rally with Charles Schumer after Trump vowed to
end the Diversity Visa Lottery Program which actually help bring the suspect to the U.S., can that round up backfire on the president?
JOHNS: I suppose it can but perhaps not in these political conditions in this climate, simply because this is a program that was put in place in
By the way, during a Republican president's turn, that was George H. W. Bush who signed that bill. Chuck Schumer did have role in it but he also
later tried to get rid of this lottery program without success.
So president went after Schumer and it's clearly going to be the kind of program that gets a lot of public scrutiny, a lot of public questions and
the president looks at it.
And points to it as one of the things in his immigration platform if you will that needs to be changed. So hard to see politically how the
president takes a big hit on that.
LU STOUT: Yes, and also, just the marked difference between how Trump reacted to the Las Vegas shooting from a few weeks back and the attack in
New York this week. I mean, what has been the reaction to the president's response here and the disparity?
JOHNS: Well, he's gotten hit pretty hard on the issue of politicizing a -- an American tragedy and interesting, I think people have pointed out that
one hand, the president went straight to the issue of immigration and calling out Chuck Schumer a Democrat without putting all the facts out
there that are to be presented.
But on the other hand, when asked about gun control after the Las Vegas shooting which involved the murder of many, many more people, the president
didn't feel it was the time to talk about policy. So selectively choosing the time when he decides to weigh in on politics depending on whether it
sort of fits the Trump agenda.
LU STOUT: Absolutely. Joe Johns, reporting live for us from the White House. As always, thank you, Joe. Take care. Now, more than 600,000
Rohingya have now left Myanmar since August. That's when the violence in Myanmar began.
And now, an unexpected visitor to the place they left, Aung San Suu Kyi, the de facto leader of Myanmar, visit Rakhine State. Her first visit since
the latest blood shed started.
The U.N. human rights chief says, the military campaign there amounts to ethnic cleansing. Myanmar rejects the charges and said it is protecting
civilians from extremists.
[08:35:00] Suu Kyi, a Nobel laureate once considered a champion of democracy, is having widely criticized for not stopping the military
Turning now to another crisis unfolding, this time on Manus Island in Papua New Guinea, hundreds of refugees at an Australian run immigration detention
center refused to leave despite no longer being given food or water.
The center was set up as a processing site for asylum-seekers found in Australian waters and houses nearly 700 men. A number of human rights
advocates including the U.N. have condemned the living conditions there.
And recently, it was decided Australia would hand it back to the Papua New Guinea defense force that owns the land. The refugees were asked to
transfer to other centers, were told that there would be no more food or water.
But the men fear for their safety if they leave. I spoke with Kate Schuetze of Amnesty International. She saw the situation on the ground
firsthand and explain why the men are so afraid to leave.
KATE SCHUETZE, PACIFIC RESEARCHER, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL: So we the last week there talking to refugees and the range of local people around the
center, as well as some officials around what's going on there.
Essentially, it's face (Inaudible) Sunday night. There has been no delivery of food, drinking water. They are withdrawn all health services
there and they are doing this essentially to pause refugees to meet from one camp to another.
The two camps that they are asking people to move to, one is not yet fully built. The other one, refugees have concerns to their safety because it's
much closer to town and we have heard a lot of reports in the last few days around attacks these people have had in the community.
They are robbed or attacked in town. But also, attacked from the center where they are in (Inaudible) right now. So there is fearful leaving the
centers. Some of these people have to leave the center in the last four and a half year that they have been there.
So they are quite afraid to leave the center and the PNG defense forces saying it will take over parts of the refugee center because it's on a
military base. It's not quite clear of whose calling the shot there.
The PNG, police force says that might force to relocate people by -- you know, it maybe a decision by PNG immigration and citizens (ph) force. We
The latest news we have today is that people who went into town today to buy just food to take back to that center but denied entry when they
returned from town. So we have a very alarming situation there.
We've also heard of two medical incidents in the last few days where they were unable to get any medical treatment for people at that facility
because they are no longer provided in those service in this situation and only going to get more dire as time goes on.
LU STOUT: The situation is very dire. No access to as you point out on medical treatment, no food, no water, no power. So whether the hundreds of
men, these refugees and asylum-seekers at this facility, what are they doing right now to Survive?
SCHUETZE: Well, essentially, we have seen photos that refugees are send to serve then collecting water in wheelie bins. You know, they have told us
about the condition there. We heard last night, they were digging a well to try and have more access to water.
But without proper facilities, they are not going to last very long before there is help that operates at the camp. Major health issues are
deteriorating as we speak.
The people we spoke to through the fence on the very first of October, a few days ago, some of them were (Inaudible). Many of them are very
They are anxious of another attack on the center and it was only a few months ago in April but we saw their pain due defense force going to the
So many of them are afraid of a similar attack happening in the future and it's such a terrible situation all around for the people there. It's
become evolving humanitarian crisis.
LU STOUT: They have been driven to digging a well to find water for themselves because they are too afraid to leave, because they fear for
their own safety. Just how legitimate are those fears?
SCHUETZE: Well, I mean, I think -- because if you look at the history of the center where they are based, they have been attacked inside the
centers, they have been outside the centers and I think that is very well founded right now.
There's also been protest in the local community saying that they don't want the refugees to stay there. They feel like they strive of
responsibility (Inaudible) to take them back to the -- to its country, now that they have process these refugees.
There is no clear plan in place in term of the services being provided, even if the new centers are bit up closer to town. So I think there are a
lot of issues that remain unaddressed and if we don't see any change to the situation, it's just going to get worse.
LU STOUT: Yes, so what will happened to this hundreds of men in these facility in Manus Island, when they run out of the basic essentials of
life, what will to them and where will they go?
[08:40:00] SCHUETZE: Well, they are going to get fix very quickly. You know, they can only a couple of days in this tropical heat without clean
So in their sense, this is a very cruel policy designed to starve them out that center and force them to relocate to other facilities which are not
safe for them and inadequate, and it doesn't provide a real solution.
They are not given a chance -- even the chance be resettled in Papua New Guinea because the government here is saying, that's not what agreed to
when we first signed up to this with Australia.
LU STOUT: And that was Kate Schuetze, Pacific Researcher for Amnesty International on the dire situation on Manus Island. You are watching News
Stream and still ahead, it is the phrase that we are all familiar with these days, fake news. Up next, how Italy is tackling the problem.
LU STOUT: Welcome back. Now CNN is putting the spotlight on the capital of Vietnam to the eyes of its residence. In Hanoi POV, we will show you
the groundbreaking Monsoon Music Festival and the man behind the music. Take a look.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through a translator): My name is (Inaudible), I'm a musician and music producer. I was born and raised in Hanoi and I started
playing piano with professional groups at the age of 15-years-old.
I need my music to have a direct link to my roots and to who I am as a human being. Although I really like modern western music, I always lean
towards Asian elements and traditional sounds in my work. Because of this, my music is blend of western and modern elements but there's always a
Vietnamese soul in it.
I feel specially connected with the season of autumn in Hanoi because of this, my music often has a gentle and soothing feeling. It's not too
intense like the summer time. That's why when I organized the Monsoon Music Festival, I choose to do it during the autumn.
It's Hanoi's most beautiful season. This is the (Inaudible) of the Thang Long Citadel. This area has existed for the last 13 centuries. We're
served as the Royal Palace of Vietnam's emperors.
In recent years, Hanoi has developed a lot with many concerts and shows. The first feeling I had when I saw the Citadel grounds filled with people,
it was honestly one of the happiest moments of my music career. I felt that I realized my dream that I was able to bring joy to many people.
[08:45:00] On rainy days, Hanoi seems more somber but nowadays, the crowded bus does not stop, even when it rains. For me as an artist, rainy days
seem more romantic. When I think about a music festival, we were looking for a name that represented Hanoi and that was also distinctive.
So we thought the word Monsoon because that's how during the season of the monsoon when the winds arrived. I hoped that it's a season when the winds
can bring a change in music, as well as in life.
LU STOUT: A great name for a grace city. You are watching News Stream, still ahead, how Italy is tackling the problem of fake news by teaching
children how to spot real stories.
LU STOUT: All right, coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back. You are News Stream. Now earlier, we told you how lawmakers in the U.S. are
warning against fake news and demanding answers and changes from the tech companies behind the platform's real use.
Now Italy has taken action in the classroom and there is a big push to make teenagers more aware of the news that they are consuming and sharing.
Christiane Amanpour, reports.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Its education Italian style, not more Math or English, but classes on how to tackle fake news for the most
LAURA BOLDRINI, PRESIDENT, CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES: (Speaking Foreign Language)
AMANPOUR: Laura Boldrini, President of the Lower House of Parliament is spearheading the initiative.
BOLDRINI: It's towards and it's aimed at giving our students the tools -- the tools to defend themselves from fake news. Fake news are drops of
poison and we drink water, and it infected water everyday but we don't even realized that we are, you know, becoming ourselves, infected by that
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Speaking Foreign Language)
AMANPOUR: The course highlights the danger that fake news poses to society and democracy, and it aims to give students ten tips on how to protect
themselves from the virus.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopefully I both get my news from some website of some newspaper like Corriere (ph) or the Repubblica, especially I take it from
the social networks like Facebook, especial news scads is very important for a teenager to be able to recognize a fake news.
AMANPOUR: Like sharing only verified stories and not being afraid to fact check, cross check and double check every story they click on. If a story
sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
[08:50:00] And none other than Facebook itself is working with the Ministry of Education.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fight against this information is a key variety for Facebook, simply because our objective is actually to make sure that people
have access to information that is relevant to them.
We shouldn't be working on this alone. It's very important that all stakeholders that are involved in the fight against fake -- fake news,
actually worked together on it.
AMANPOUR: Italy joins a global fight that knows no borders. Christiane Amanpour, CNN, London.
LU STOUT: And we are turning a story that we brought you a few moments ago, the bank of England has hiked the interest rates for the first time in
The shift was widely predicted as economy struggles with falling unemployment and a lower pound, plus uncertainty over Brexit. We will have
extensive coverage just a few minutes on CNNMoney with Maggie Lake.
You are watching News Stream and after the break, we will bring you the stories of the victims in the New York terror attack and paid tribute to
LU STOUT: Now, back to out top story. The Terror attack in New York and we want to remember those who died it that horrific rampage, including five
friends from Argentina, two young Americans and also a mother from Belgium. Anderson Cooper has their stories.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: It was a reunion of old friends that attended the same polytechnic high school in Argentina. They were celebrating their
30th reunion with a trip to New York City and bike ride along the Hudson River.
Their (Inaudible), one of the men exclaims they are biking along the same path as Tuesday's tragedy, a few miles north of where the attack happened.
The man believed to be filming this, Ariel Benvenuto had survived, five of his friends fear not.
In this photo taken before they boarded their plane to America the Argentinean victims are pictured standing arm in arm with their classmates.
Libra printed on their T-shirts, Spanish for free.
Hernan Ferrucci, Alejandro Pagnucco, Ariel Erlij, Hernan Mendoza and Diego Angelini were all killed because Cleves was the only native New Yorker to
have died in Tuesday's attack, from his social media accounts he attended, Elisabeth Irwin High School in lower Manhattan before heading to Skidmore
He just graduated last year with a degree in computer science and just returned to New York City to start a job as a software engineer. His life
was just getting started because Cleves was 23-years-old. Darren Drake was the other American killed in the attack.
[08:55:00] But 32-year-old project manager worked at Seven World Trade Center. He was on a bike ride in between meetings when he was hit by the
truck according to his father that described him as the perfect son.
JIMMY DRAKE, FATHER OF DARREN DRAKE: I'm not even angry. I'm not -- I'm not angry at all. I'm absolutely hurt.
COOPER: Drake was from nearby New Milford, New Jersey. He graduated from Rutgers in 2007 with a degree in political science went on for Masters in
business administration from Fairleigh Dickinson University.
He was well on his way to his second Masters in science when he was killed. Drake had also served as his local school board president and
superintendent of the district called his death senseless saying Darren was a good man with a soft touch and huge heart.
The eighth and final victim was 31-year-old Belgian, Anne-Laure Decadt. In a statement, her husband called her a fantastic wife and the most beautiful
mom to our two sons of three months and three years old, he said, this loss is unbearable. Anderson Cooper, CNN, New York.
LU STOUT: And that is News Stream. I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and do stay with CNN. CNNMoney with Maggie Lake is next.