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Teenage Girl Fought for her Life; Stunning Evidence Found Against Stephen Allwine. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired February 5, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] S.E. CUPP, HOST, HLN: Ashleigh Banfield is up next.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And this is Crime & Justice.

In law enforcement sometimes no matter how hard an officer tries sometimes a suspect`s life can`t be saved especially if the perp has what seems like

a death wish.

What went down in North Georgia certainly qualifies. The chase was on when a man who took off from the police who are trying to pull him over for

speeding. And the reports came in the driver was doing nearly 70 in a 45. And then it all came to a crashing stop and the crash was only the

beginning of a dash cam video that looks more like a movie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Almost 77. The Pickup truck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Negative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re at the nursing home. Right off Rickman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay right there. Don`t you move. Do not move. Stay in the car. Do not move. Do not move.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: You heard plain as day that officer repeatedly ordering the guy in that car do not move. The suspect however had some other ideas. And I

want to warn you that his actions led to a very disturbing moment that was caught on tape.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s trying to -- he`s trying break the glass and get out. I don`t know if he has anything. I can`t see him. Stop now. Stop! Get

down now. Stay right there. Stop or I`ll shoot you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t give a (muted).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired, shots fired.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, the suspect decided to kick out the back window of that car and then jumped on the roof. And after he climbed up he lunged at the

officer with a knife. And the next move is the difference between life and death.

In the aftermath, the officer and paramedics try in the dark of night to revive that suspect who died at the scene.

There are, I think you can fairly say a lot of beatings that leave a mark but are survivable. Just not if you are five months old and still in the

womb.

A camera phone was rolling when this Tennessee woman was attacked and dragged down the slide of stairs. Probably not surprisingly she suffered a

miscarriage after this gruesome beating that was caught on tape.

This happened at a home that she was visiting in Chattanooga. The victim says that she lost consciousness as she was kicked in the head over and

over again.

And a convicted killer who gunned down a young mom and her toddler as they returned from the grocery store tries to escape justice during the victim

impact statements. And he literally tried to escape justice by trying to bolt from the courtroom.

The fast-acting court officers had something else in mind for him though. They wrestled him to the floor. And that`s where they pinned him down and

then that`s also the same location that he would hear what was coming to him next. That would be three life sentences for his crime.

There are few kids who after the age of 15 could do anything close to what anything close to what Deserae Turner has done. And let me be clear, I`m

not talking about college application stuff here.

Deserae Turner trusted two cute boys and she met them near a dry riverbed. And they returned her trust by shooting her in the back of the head and

stealing her stuff and leaving her for dead, face down in the mud.

Apparently, they found Deserae annoying on Snapchat. But they didn`t know Deserae. And the rest of us, we are only just learning how amazing Deserae

really is.

First off, Deserae didn`t die but instead fought for her life for every single one of the eight hours that it took them to find her in the mud.

Secondly, Deserae fought her way back learning to walk and more importantly, learning to talk.

Third, she used that newfound skill of talking in court to face down the kid who pulled the trigger.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are times I wish I could give the gun back to Colter and tell him to try again and put me out of my misery.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:05:01] BANFIELD: With me now, McKenzie Romero, reporter for the Deseret News in court today for the actual hearing for Colter Peterson`s

sentencing. And thank you. That`s McKenzie now. I knew you were a girl and we had a picture of a boy up.

So thank you, McKenzie for joining us. I want to ask you about this. First of all, you`re in Salt Lake City. And being in that courtroom and listening

to that impact statement from Deserae Turner after the year that she`s gone through, after the near death experience that she survived, after the hard

work that it`s taken her just to get to the position she`s in which, let`s be clear, isn`t a good one.

Just take me into the courtroom for a moment. Mano-a-mano. You and me as a young woman watching this young woman, what was it like?

MCKENZIE ROMERO, REPORTER, DESERET NEWS: Really being in that courtroom and hearing Deserae speak it was devastating and inspiring. I mean, to see the

permanent impact that she`s going to be dealing with for the rest of her life and also the strength that she still possesses, the fire that was in

her.

And you saw it come out and some of the really strong statements she made against this young man who shot her, who tried to kill her. And she made

these statements to say that she wasn`t -- she really wasn`t forgiving him. She wasn`t letting him off the hook. She was holding him responsible for

what he did.

BANFIELD: So there was one point where she talked about being put out of her misery. And this one really sort of got me. Like when you hear someone

and it sticks in your own throat as you`re trying to survive what she`s going through as well.

And I`m going to ask our control room to cue up this part where she describes being put out of her misery by the very young man in front of her

who held a gun to her head and fired the bullet that`s still in there, by the way. And the pain and suffering that she`s going through and how

someday she wants to end it all. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TURNER: There are times I wish I could give the gun back to Colter and tell him to try again and put me out of my misery.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So clearly this girl has had her ups and downs, without question. And she has talked about wanting to end it all and even suggesting that

Colter Peterson maybe should have just finished the job. But the truth is, honestly, McKenzie, have you ever seen a stronger young woman or a victim

of any crime than this girl?

ROMERO: It`s impossible to really quantify what Deserae has been through. And sitting in that courtroom and hearing her speak, it was -- it was

exceptional to see that she keeps going every day.

And that`s one thing she told Colter Peterson as he was sentenced was that he should think every single day about what he did to her, about the things

that she no longer can do that he will be able to do to get himself out of bed in the morning, to get dressed, feed himself, to read a book, to walk

on his own.

These are the things that she said she`ll really never be able to do again. But he wants him to remember -- she wanted him to remember that.

BANFIELD: And I`m looking at that picture of him in court dressed in a crisp white shirt and tie, his hair is cropped short and he looks -- he

looks to be pretty damn sad. But the truth is there was a nugget that dropped in court today by the prosecutor about what that young man had done

before this horrifying plan for Deserae.

That it wasn`t the first time he had planned to kill someone he found annoying. What was that?

ROMERO: Prosecutors wanted to really make it clear that they did not see this as a one-off event, that he was a boy with depression who got pulled

in by peer pressure by a friend.

They said that this was a red flag in a series of concerning behavior including allegations that he had made similar threats to a girl on social

media two years earlier, and that those allegations had just started to come forward based on everything that happened to Deserae.

They wanted to make it clear that they saw Colter Peterson as a danger and that danger warranted the maximum possible prison sentence.

BANFIELD: And just to throw some detail in there, 2014, Colter had apparently threatened to kill another girl by luring her to a cemetery. And

this, again, happened to be a girl he found to be annoying.

Well, with that in mind, let`s listen to Colter Peterson telling the court that he`s very, very sorry about all of this. And now we can actually look

at it with the prism of knowing that this would be round two if he`d been successful as well with round one. Let`s have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COLTER PETERSON, CRIME SUSPECT: I`m very, very sorry for what I have done. It`s probably ruined my life, but it`s nothing compared to what she`ll go

through.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:10:02] BANFIELD: I`m not, I`m not so sure I`m buying that. I saw his crocodile tears early. But I`m very, very sorry having, you know, almost

achieved this one.

Matt Turner is the victim`s father. And he addressed the court as well. I think the audio was a bit troubled. But you have to sort of really listen

carefully to what he had to say. Because he really hit the nail on the head and looked at this guy, Colter Peterson, and said my daughter was just

trying to be a friend. Have a look.

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MATT TURNER, DESERAE TURNER`S FATHER: She never asked for this. She was just trying to be a friend -- a friend to you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Your heart just breaks for this family. There was one other moment where this father talked about how the family is trying to heal. And

it was a difficult moment but it ended on a light note. At least it gave us hope that this family is going to be OK. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. TURNER: As time goes on we hope our family will begin to heal emotionally from the awful tragedy that forever changed so many lives.

D. TURNER: Milkshake time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Milkshake time it is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That sweet kid talking about just going for a milkshake after all she`s been through. I want to bring in Dr. Daniel Bober, he`s a forensic

psychologist and an assistant clinical professor at Yale University School of Medicine.

Dr. Bober, so many questions for you on both sides of this crime. Number one, how does a 15-year-old girl have the kind of fortitude that Deserae

Turner has? Number one, to survive that eight-hours face down. Can I add, February in Utah? She`s got frostbite. Now that she will suffer from that

for life.

That`s the kind of survival that this kid went through. A bullet to the back of the head, face down in the mud in a dry creek bed in February in

Utah. And she makes it back to get into that courtroom and mentally has the fortitude to face down Colter Peterson. Tell me about that kind of child.

DANIEL BOBER, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: I mean, she`s an inspiration. She`s the picture of strength. The child that we would all want to have. I mean,

this is an inspiration to everyone who`s watching. You don`t really see this and you don`t really know it`s there until a tragedy like this

actually happens, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Here is a little more of Deserae. And just so you know how tough she is, almost a year ago when she was just getting out of the hospital you

could see her strength and fortitude then. And she had no idea the journey that was ahead of her just to get to the position we saw her in in court.

Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think that`s special to wear home today?

D. TURNER: Yes, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell me why?

D. TURNER: Because it says happy on it and I`m happy to go home. I have been working really hard and still have a lot of work to do. I told my dad

that I am tougher than a bullet. It is still with me today.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That bullet will be in her head for life. It causes extreme headaches. The likes of which she says you can`t imagine.

Dr. Bober, let`s talk about these boys. They both pled. Jayzon -- what`s his last name -- Decker, Jayzon Decker has yet to be sentenced. That`s

coming soon enough.

However, there is this part in the report that`s so disturbing. That Jayzon Decker kept a shell casing from the shooting as a memento. As if it wasn`t

bad enough they did what they did, they saw what they did, they took her belongings and a shell casing as a memento. Help me understand that one.

BOBER: You know, Ashleigh, the details of this crime are horrific. But it was the Supreme Court in a case called Roper v. Simmons that recognized

that adolescents don`t have the same brain as adults do. They are not able to weigh the future consequences of their actions. They don`t have the same

moral reasoning. They don`t have the same impulse control.

And that is not to suggest in any way that they did not know the difference between right and wrong and that they didn`t plan this horrible crime. But

I do believe in redemption. I do believe in second chances for these young men. This case is horrible all around.

Three lives destroyed. But your life is not a snapshot. It`s a movie. And I do think that they did a terrible thing but they are not necessarily

terrible people. And maybe they can learn and maybe there is redemption for them.

BANFIELD: So, couple of seconds left. I want to ask defense attorney Jeff Gold about that. We got a sentencing that is still to come. He wasn`t the

trigger man. The kid who is going to be sentenced wasn`t the trigger man but he kept the memento. Is there a way to get more time than the trigger

man himself?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Maybe he could, but it`s unlikely. The fact that the trigger man got a minimum of 15 years is amazing to me.

[18:15:01] He`s going to get out at possibly when he`s 32 years old. You describe what he did before. That line from wanting to do that before to

doing it now means when he comes out at 32 as a relatively young man he may do it again. I`m worried about him.

BANFIELD: I`m worried about -- I`m worried most about Deserae. I hope that she can find a life again with her family. But she`s got an incredible

family. Hold tight, Jeffrey. Thank you for that. McKenzie, thank you. Dr. Bober, thank you.

Last week we told you about Stephen Allwine. And if you remember that name, you should because he`s the Minnesota preacher who was leading a secret

double life. When his wife was killed he was the prime suspect. And wouldn`t you know it? He`s now been convicted.

And since the conviction, holy cow, a treasure trove of prosecution evidence against him. To say chilling and devastating, not even close.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Daddy, mommy`s on the floor. And I don`t remember the exact words he used. But something like, is mommy OK or I think it was

something like, why is mommy on the floor? I said...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: There is a certain satisfaction when you hear the word guilty echo through a courtroom and then you look over and see the wife-killer

flinch.

But for those of you who are hard to convince or maybe just a little sympathetic I`ve got your satisfaction right here. Some newly released

evidence in the case of that married preacher man who used the web site Ashley Madison to find a new squeeze and then put a bullet in his wife`s

head.

This is what his 9-year-old son discovered in his mom`s bedroom. I want to warn you, it is graphic. Her lifeless body on the floor. Her eyes staring

up at the ceiling with not a hint of focus. Her head cradled in a purpling pool of blood, much of it draining from her nose and from her mouth and a

gun awkwardly staged at her left arm.

That`s the 9-year-old who found that. And how do we know that that little boy was there? You can clearly hear him in the background of the preacher

man`s Oscar-worthy 911 call.

(BEGIN VOICE CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nine-one-one, what`s the address of the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think my -- I think my wife shot herself. There`s blood all over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shot herself? With a gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looks like it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does she still have the weapon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. We just got home.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where did she shoot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I just saw her and blood. There`s blood -- the weapon is by her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s no weapons by her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is. The gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is -- OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s not breathing. I can`t tell where she`s shot. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How long ago do you think she shot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was here -- when did I leave? 5 -- about 5.15, 5.30.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So you last seen her around 5, 5.30.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did she shoot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I don`t know, bud?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you going to remarry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know, bud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re doing a really good job, Stephen, OK?

(END VOICE CLIP)

BANFIELD: Yes, Stephen. You were doing a really good job with your 9-year- old who you knew would discover her dead. His mom. By the way, just days after Stephen`s wife was found dead, bleeding on that bedroom floor Steven

Allwine told the police his marriage of 20 years was just great.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How long have you been married?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In that 20 years has there been harmony and serenity the whole time or has there been hiccups?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No issues. It`s been great. I told people if you can marry your best friend it`s the best feeling in the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Is it now? Because Stephen Allwine not only married his best friend, he also killed his best friend.

Crime and Justice producer Kyle Peltz has been working the story all day. If I look a little angry it`s because we now have over two hours of that

police interrogation. And you`ve been combing through it and giving us what I call them the lowlights. But what are the highlights, what else did

Stephen Allwine have to say in his myriad lies?

KYLE PELTZ, PRODUCER, CRIME AND JUSTICE: Right. So this interrogation video was conducted two days after his wife`s death. And Stephen was freely

speaking to the police when this happened with his attorney next to him. He had not yet been arrested. And police really covered all their bases here.

They asked him about the day Amy died, about his relationship with Amy and also his relationship with other women.

[18:24:56] BANFIELD: So, ultimately, for the back story for anybody kind of joining us on this particular saga, during the trial and beforehand we

learned that the preacher man you`re seeing there with the crocodile tears used to counsel other couples in their marriage problems. And that`s where

he learned about Ashley Madison, right.

So we he went on Ashley Madison and he met another lady and he started cheating on his wife with that other lady. And he ultimately combed the

deep dark web to find a hit man, and paid a hit man and got scammed by the hit man. Isn`t that awful when that happens the hit man is also criminal

and you get scammed? That was $6,000 in bitcoin down the drain for Stephen Allwine.

And then he tried to get him to kill herself by sticking all these nasty letters on her saying that she was going to die and so was her family

unless she just did it herself. And when that didn`t work he just went ahead, grabbed the gun and did it for her.

So now that we know all that, Kyle, I just want to play a little bit more of that interrogation tape that you found especially when the police are

asking him whether he`s ever had a little infidelity. And this is how he handled that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We asked about affairs earlier I don`t know is you really -- if specifically, you haven`t had an intimate relationship with

anyone, have you? During the marriage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A couple of years ago I had a short -- something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was Amy aware of that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wasn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody was. It ended and I just couldn`t -- I just couldn`t do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you find sharing that with me for the purpose of this investigation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you can.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you can. OK. Who was that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michelle was her first name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know this is hard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it really just started off as a friendship. She was going through a rough time. We would go back to her place, but we wouldn`t

do anything. You know, I might have talked to her and such. And then one night, one thing led to another. I had sex.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So since trial we get our hands on all of this, you know, information from the interrogation room. But we also got those crime scene

photographs. Very, very disturbing photographs but very significant in the clues that they offered to this crime. In one of them you can clearly see a

gun on the dead woman`s arm.

And Kyle Peltz, what was so significant about that was that which arm was it found on?

PELTZ: It was found on her -- her near her left arm. But she`s right- handed.

BANFIELD: Now that`s never good. Was there anything else to the positioning of the gun? I`m trying to sort of get my, you know, my mind around the way

it`s positioned. Would they have done a trajectory of some kind or was this just so obvious?

PELTZ: Well, we know the gunshot wound one was actually to the right side of her head - something that may be difficult to do with your left hand.

But that`s not all with the forensic evidence. Her autopsy revealed that there was no gunpowder stippling on her skin around the entry wound. No

evidence of gunpowder on her hands. And also, no blood on either hand.

BANFIELD: Which is also very strange if you shoot yourself in the head. I want to bring in Kevin DeVore, he`s Stephen Allwine`s defense attorney.

He`s been kind enough to join me and he`s live with me now again from Minneapolis. Kevin, thank you.

KEVIN DEVORE, STEPHEN ALLWINE`S ATTORNEY: Hi, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: When I -- you know, you are seated next to your client in that interrogation video. And all I could think of was you`re looking at him

he`s dabbing his eyes. This is, I think this is two days after the crime. He isn`t arrested for a couple of months. Are you worried that he`s just

talking too much?

DEVORE: No. Obviously, before I sit down with an interview with a client I go through, you know, what happened, where they were, what was going on and

try to determine what kind of a defense I have.

In this particular case it seemed evident that, you know, he had an interest in giving them the details. You know, obviously the details

presented themselves differently in the trial. But at the time, you know, he was able to give them details and he was not at the time, quote/unquote,

"being looked at as a suspect necessarily."

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Did you -- did you get the feeling at this point because this went on for hours and hours. And I`m assuming he was Mirandized, right.

DEVORE: Yes. It was a voluntary statement.

BANFIELD: Sure. Did you get -- I`m sort of trying to read your body language there. And you have quite a poker face. But did you suspect at any

point, dear, God, I think they are zeroing in on him and him alone?

[18:30:01] DEVORE: Well, I mean, I`ve been doing this for over 20 years, and I`ve done these exact interviews many times before, so I knew that they

were certainly looking at him.

But at the time, you know, in discussing his situation, it seemed to me that the best thing that he could do would be able to, you know, explain at

least where he was and what he was doing. You know, that`s kind of what we -- you know, in this particular situation, that`s what we decided to do.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, PRIMETIME JUSTICE SHOW HOST, HLN: He`s a preacher, for God`s sake. Who wouldn`t believe a preacher, right? Let me just read

something from the Star Tribune. After the trial, they wrote that your client, Allwine, lamented that he didn`t take the stand, he didn`t testify.

They quote him as saying, maybe I should have to explain certain things. They also said he said that he lost the case because prosecutors did a

better job of persuading the jury than his defense attorney Kevin DeVore did. That`s got to get in your craw. How do you feel about that?

DEVORE (via telephone): That`s OK. I mean, you know, when we -- when we handle a case like this -- I mean, we work on this for 14 months. We have

been working on the case in every aspect of it. We have discussed and gone through and balanced whether he should testify, whether he shouldn`t

testify. Everything that I argued was something that I worked through with him. So, you know --

BANFIELD: Do you still think though, honestly, Kevin, do you still think maybe I should have put him up there on the stand?

DEVORE (via telephone): No.

BANFIELD: Because if it didn`t go well, he has only himself to blame.

DEVORE (via telephone): No, absolutely not. His statement was already presented through the interview that you played part of. The jury saw it.

It was all on video. It was two and a half hours. That`s essentially his statement. And unless you`re going to add --

BANFIELD: That`s a lot.

DEVORE (via telephone): -- a significant explanation for one thing or another it would be material in the case, there would be no reason to put

him on the stand to then be subject to cross-examination.

BANFIELD: Well, let me tell you something. I haven`t made a secret of it. I`m not going to make secret of it now. I do not like your client, but I do

like you, Kevin, and I appreciate you coming on to talk us through this case.

DEVORE (via telephone): Sure.

BANFIELD: We hope to talk to you in a different circumstance in a different time. Thank you.

DEVORE (via telephone): Thank you, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: We have all heard of ungrateful children. You know, kids who disappoint or disrespect their parents time and time again. And then

there`s this fellow, Kyle Navin. A son who was reportedly given just about everything, but still wanted more. And then allegedly killed his parents to

make sure he could get it.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We all want our children to have a better life than we did. That`s why we work hard and teach them well and plan for their futures. But

I`m guessing that plan would never include taking a bullet so that junior can help himself to all your money.

Prosecutors say Kyle Navin did just that. A rich and entitled kid from Connecticut. They say he offed his parents with the help of his girlfriend

and planned to live on easy street while they rolled over in the grave that he dug for them. Large part of the prosecution`s case involved text

messages between Navin and his girlfriend that seemed to indicate the crime was planned for quite some time.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): We need to figure out what the best way to take them down, whether it is get some money out of them, somehow (bleep)

at the business, the house, something. We got to figure out. I`m got to be real smart and do it quick.

Then we`ll have the 200K credit union, Weston house and J&J profit. I have been thinking it nonstop since yesterday. It would solve every single

problem and give us a wealthy, amazing life. Think about it, little one.

BANFIELD (voice over): Well, little one, the girlfriend, Jennifer Valiente, took a plea deal in November and got only eight years behind bars. More on

that in a moment. But Kyle Navin rejected his own plea offer and his case is going to go right to trial. And if convicted, he`s going to face a

mandatory life in prison, if it doesn`t go his way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: With me now, Patricia Gay, community editor for the Weston Forum. She joins me from Ridgefield, Connecticut. Patricia, this is like a move,

this trial. It`s sort of remarkable. I remember when it all started. This was just a missing couple. And lo and behold it turned into all of this.

Are the text messages between Kyle Navin and his girlfriend really the lynchpin in this case or is there something far more sinister that connects

him to the crime?

PATRICIA GAY, COMMUNITY EDITOR, WESTON FORUM (via telephone): Hi, Ashleigh. Thank you. Yes, I think the text messages are really indicative of what was

going on here. I mean, social media, text messages, and everything that`s out there now says so much more. This really did leave a trail that showed

that these murderers appeared to definitely be planned.

[18:40:00] BANFIELD: I want to -- yes, I want to play one more. Let me read it actually. One of these texts from Kyle to his girlfriend Jennifer. It`s

pretty damning. I mean, by the way, when you do this stuff, you know, you set yourself up for people to read them on TV when you`re on trial for

murder.

So this is what Kyle says to Jennifer. We need to figure out what the best way to take them down. We`ll have hundreds to thousands, enjoy life, take

vacations, having fun friends, no stress, no contact ever again with bad people. It would solve every single problem and give us a wealthy, amazing

life. It`s a perfect plan. Wipe out the virus and get the money for life.

So, these texts are horrible. But, you know, you can also say, you know, a pox be on your houses and you don`t really mean it. Is there something

better? Is there some really tangible, direct evidence that they have as well?

I mean, these are the shallow graves, right, found in a friend`s backyard. You know, correct me if I`m wrong with the details. Is there more evidence

that it`s going to come out in trial --

GAY (via telephone): Oh, yes.

BANFIELD: -- of those graves and about transporting bodies and where the parents were killed and how?

GAY (via telephone): Oh, yes. There`s a lot of evidence which makes it really surprising that Kyle Navin has decided to turn down a plea deal and,

you know, go for a trial because they both were shot. So they have the bullets. They have all that kind of evidence. They have weapons that they

seized from Kyle Navin. There`s all kinds of blood evidence.

They believe that Jeanette Navin, the mother, she was killed in a truck. They have all the blood evidence there. They have blood evidence from Kyle

Navin`s basement where they believe he killed his father. They have the bodies which were uncovered at a former friend`s home which had been

abandoned in Weston. It was just down the street from a church. And the bodies --

BANFIELD: OK, so a couple of other things I`m just seeing in front of me as well. Apparently, prosecution says that Kyle owed his parents about

$133,000. Other allegations that Kyle had not been making good on the taxes and the mortgage on the house that his parents bought him and that he had

this drug problem and they were frustrated. So that could be some motive there.

He had agreed apparently to take a polygraph and then refused. And then his brother, his younger brother Taylor apparently said that the moment he

found that his parents were missing, he was quoted to have said, they are either on vacation or my brother did something to them. So who knows how

his brother Taylor will factor into this.

But I want to bring in Norm Pattis. He is the attorney for Kyle Navin`s girlfriend, Jennifer Valiente. He`s kind enough to be here on the set with

me. So, those text messages went to your client.

NORM PATTIS, ATTORNEY FOR JENNIFER VALIENTE: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: And agreed a few times saying, you know, they`re playing you and I hear you, sounds good, I just don`t know, I`m sick and tired of them

controlling everything. That is never good when you see these messages your client is involved with. Yet, eight years. That`s it.

PATTIS: Well, the defense was mere presence. There is no question there was tension in the household. It wasn`t paradise. It wasn`t quite the rosy

picture that you paint. Certainly Kyle had privilege but his father had enormous strings and controlled this couple (INAUDIBLE).

It is expected at the ultimate sentencing that the decedent`s brother, Kyle`s uncle, will testify in Kyle`s behalf about the cruelty in that home.

Having said that --

BANFIELD: Well, cruelty (INAUDIBLE) -- I mean, sorry, you just don`t -- you know, put a bullet in your parents.

PATTIS: Things happen for a reason. He didn`t wake up one day and say -- he didn`t wake up one day and say let`s play lotto and shoot mommy and daddy.

There was a subtext here and a history. And I think that the state offered my client a good deal in part so that she would not testify and bring to

the jury something that --

BANFIELD: And she`s not going to testify in his trial?

PATTIS: No, she`s not.

BANFIELD: So she`s risking -- I mean, her judge when it comes time to be sentenced after his trial could say, to hell with eight years, I`m giving

you more. And then what are you going to do?

PATTIS: Well, if the deal is an eight-year deal, if the judge doesn`t impose that, we will go to trial. Her defense will be mere presence. Those

text messages --

BANFIELD: Mere presence which is lawyer speak for I was just there, I didn`t do it.

PATTIS: That`s right. The father -- we know where the father was killed. We know what happened at that time. But she was not involved. Conspiracy means

you and I make an agreement to do something and one of us goes out and does an act in furtherance of it.

BANFIELD: OK. So with that in mind, Kyle Navin certainly gambling with his future, likely we can fairly say, because he turned down 60 years and he

could get life. So, is it a good defense strategy or is this the mistake of a lifetime? We`re going to break it down next and then learn more about

that girlfriend in a moment.

[18:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: There`s really no guaranteed way to have a great deal of money for life, is there? But police say a son of a wealthy Connecticut couple

thought he certainly had a perfect plan. He allegedly went through with the plan which was to kill the money bank, his parents.

Kyle Navin is about to go on trial as jury selection gets underway in Connecticut. He is charged with two counts of first-degree murder.

[18:50:00] And for that he faces life in prison if he gets convicted. What could be Navin`s undoing are reams and reams of text messages that he

exchanged with his girlfriend. They come back to bite you. Norm Pattis is that girlfriend`s attorney and he is still with me as is Jeff Gold and also

Patricia Gay with the Weston Forum.

I want to go back to you if I can, Norm, for a minute on this, because before you jump on a case, on Jennifer`s case, she was the one exchanging

all these messages with Kyle. Her other attorney, Elliott Warren, had this to say about those text messages because they`re not good -- you certainly

read them and you don`t know how you could explain your way out of that one. But this is what he said.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

ELLIOTT WARREN, JENNIFER VALIENTE`S ATTORNEY: This are small sampling of dozens of texts a day that went between Kyle and Jennifer. I think that a

lot of them that you may think is incriminating have been juxtaposed and are not in context.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I can`t think of anything that puts them into context. Am I crazy?

PATTIS: No.

BANFIELD: OK.

PATTIS: I mean, sometimes you`re in the courthouse steps and they`re asking questions, and you do the best you can.

BANFIELD: Yes. Because I`m telling you, these are ugly, ugly messages. To get you back up to speed if you didn`t see the last segment, Kyle wrote to

her, we need to figure out what the best way to take them down. It would solve every single problem and give us a wealthy, amazing life.

And her response was usually something like, I`m sick and tired of them controlling everything, I hear you. It sounds good. I just don`t know.

They`re playing you. So, she certainly didn`t seem like she was against anything. But she got hindering prosecution. She was apparently caught

buying bags and cleaning stuff. Hindering prosecution. Nothing more than that. Was that tough?

PATTIS: Well, she pled straight guilty to hindering prosecution. There was a maximum sentence of 10 years there. She took eight. And then she caught

up with something called Alford doctrine, a doctrine that says, you know, I didn`t do it, but I understand a jury might think I did, and got concurrent

time on the conspiracy. So there were two guilty pleas there. But she didn`t get a lot for the conspiracy claim.

BANFIELD: So, Jeff Gold, jump in here if you would. In Connecticut, this is big, you know. They do individual (INAUDIBLE). it can take a long time to

pick a jury. This was kind of sexy stuff. I said it, it was like a movie. Can you pick a jury easy enough when you have something like this?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Can you pick a jury? Sure, you can pick a jury, but the facts aren`t very helpful in this case. I don`t really know

how in this case they can make a deal with one -- with a hinder to say you`re not going to testify.

I think the state is afraid that she might testify because they know there`s something missing here. And probably she knows a lot more than

she`s willing to say, but all they could get her on was the hindering. So that`s the deal they took. But they probably wanted her.

BANFIELD: So, Norm, what about them turning on each other? Because either one of them could have got a much better deal in this life if they just,

you know, pointed to the other guy.

PATTIS: Love is blind.

BANFIELD: Love is blind. Seriously.

PATTIS: Seriously. They offered -- for the longest time, we couldn`t get a straight answer from the state about what their intentions were. We`re

working on something, they said. We found out that that was a nine-hour interview with Mr. Navin in which they basically told him what was her

role.

BANFIELD: Turn on her, and you`ll do better?

PATTIS: Well, they didn`t quite put in those terms but that was the implicit text. And he didn`t. He wouldn`t turn on her at all. And after

that meeting, one of the prosecutors told me he must love her.

BANFIELD: What about her? Did they not say to her, look, Jennifer, spill the beans. You`re facing up to 10 years here.

PATTIS: I wouldn`t permit it. There was not enough evidence to convict her --

BANFIELD: Didn`t she want to?

PATTIS: No.

BANFIELD: If this guy`s going away for let`s just say, I don`t know, 60 years or maybe life, what good is having a boyfriend like that? Seriously?

PATTIS: What good is betraying a person you love, and what good are you to yourself if you look at your --

BANFIELD: Well, if he`s a murder. Honestly.

PATTIS: No one sees some of their worst moments, you know better.

BANFIELD: You`re the some of your worst moments if you`re a killer in my book.

PATTIS: Are you? Have you never -- have you never been angry enough to kill?

BANFIELD: Never. Are you honestly asking me that? Are you honestly asking me that question?

PATTIS: Have you never been angry enough to kill?

BANFIELD: Never.

PATTIS: Then you`ve not lived.

BANFIELD: Oh, dear God. We have another whole show planned for this one.

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: I cannot believe you just said that. And never ever ever -- my goodness. My thanks to all my guests. OK, so I`m not like this other lady.

She`s young, and she`s beautiful. And tonight, she`s a free woman. We`re going to have the latest on the yoga twin and the verdict, and that smile.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We have one more thing for you tonight. Actually, two things. Two little words -- not guilty. That was the verdict in yoga twin Alexandria

Duval`s murder trial. And look at the relief on her face just moments after hearing that verdict. She was accused of killing her identical twin sister

Anastasia by driving off a 200-foot cliff in Hawaii.

According to the witnesses, the sisters were fighting in the car just before the fatal wreck. Alexandria`s defense team argued that the crash was

just an accident, despite evidence of Anastasia`s hair found on Alexandria`s hands and testimony about her cuddling up to her sister`s

boyfriend just days after the deadly wreck.

Next hour of "Crime and Justice" starts right now.

[19:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s such a horrific incident, it`s beyond crazy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): She admits to strangling her mom on a 911 call.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): My mother is dead. And I strangled her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No remorse, no regrets, and a hope she`s gone for good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I`m hoping she is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Will she even try to save her mom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not want to do anything for my mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What possibly could have led to this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I needed to just borrow the keys to the car and she refused me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or was this killing years in the making?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She proceed to tell me how ill I am, how mentally ill I am, and I snapped. She`s been telling me that since I was old enough to

speak.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Steven Allwine, both a man of God and family.

STEVEN ALLWINE, SUSPECT: The idea that somebody would out of the blue want to kill somebody in our family is just obscene.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But this hypocrite was cheating on his wife with a lady he met online.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think my wife shot herself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, she didn`t shoot herself.

ALLWINE: They found some email communication between somebody trying to hire somebody to kill Amy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. That somebody was you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s the ultimate domestic violence situation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now preacher man is headed off to prison, but not before the ugly secrets of his crimes are blown wide open for us to see.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she shoot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I just saw her in blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pictures, phone calls, and the tale of the tape.

A wealthy mom and dad vanish, but months later, reappear in a shallow grave.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a shocker. I mean, a son killing his parents. We have seen it before, but we haven`t seen it in Westport.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was their plan to cut their son from the will motive for murder? And did that entitled Connecticut boy really pull it off?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

911, what`s your emergency? You just know when you hear that on the news that the next line is never very good. And when an operator in Arizona

adjusted her headset and then answered her line three weeks ago, she had no way of knowing who was on other end or what was coming. So as she is

trained to do, she just listened. And the caller in a calm and chilling way said she had just strangled her own mother and that she hoped she was dead.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911. Where is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need someone to come to -- my mother`s dead. And I strangled her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK. Hold on one second. Let me -- how do you know she is deceased?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I`m hoping she is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Hold on one second. Why did you do that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because she kept telling me that I`m mentally insane.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m not getting a pulse, and she`s not fogging a mirror.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Hold on one second.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she`s 81 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 81? OK, honey. What is your name, honey?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth Ramirez. And I am her caregiver.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ramirez. That`s not your mom, or that is your mom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is my mom.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: But this 911 caller doesn`t seem to be in any mood at all to help her mom.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and what`s going on there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My mother may be dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Somebody else has already called us about this. What happened?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was me that called.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, what happened there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I killed her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you mean?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I strangled her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is she breathing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, you need to start CPR on she if she is not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I isn`t starting CPR on her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because she has tormented her entire family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, I highly recommend you start CPR on her if you could please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How old is your mom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eighty-one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And she hasn`t been sick with anything? No illnesses?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a hypochondriac.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, I`m going stay on the phone with, OK, honey? OK. Are you -- are you sure you don`t want to do anything for your mom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not want to do anything for my mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[19:05:00] BANFIELD: As this caller rambles on and on like that, it becomes crystal clear that there is a long and sordid history behind what happened

in that house.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, honey. What is your mom`s name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bertha. Bertha Hermosilla Gutierrez.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When did you do this, honey?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s within the last half hour.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The last half hour? OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she blue?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. She`s discolored.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. But you can`t really tell because she always keeps the windows all shut.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But she has not moved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. And you said she`s 81, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Well she`ll be 81 January 25th.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK, honey.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was her caregiver, and there is no one to help me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. You don`t have any sisters or brothers?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have abandoned her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. What was your mom doing earlier today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I needed to borrow the keys to the car and she refused me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. And then that`s when it happened?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I questioned her why did she have me walk all the way to the house and why couldn`t she just call me and tell me she wasn`t

going to let me use the keys to the car. And she says, well, take the bus. And then she proceed to tell me how ill I am, how mentally ill I am, and I

snapped.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because she`s been telling me that since I was old enough to speak.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Well, there`s a reason Elizabeth Ramirez looks visibly shaken, shall we say, in this booking photo. Because apart from the fact that her

mother is now dead, she is in jail. And one day later yet another tape, but still it seems the same affect.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your full name, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth Ann Ramirez.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And that was it. That`s Elizabeth clad in orange facing the music shortly after all of this went down, making her first appearance, and being

told that unless she has a cool million lying around the house, she is going to find it pretty tough to bond out until her murder trial.

With me now, Tom Perumean, reporter for KTAR news 92.3 in Phoenix.

Tom, can you --?

TOM PERUMEAN, REPORTER, KTAR NEWS 93.3 (on the phone): Yes?

BANFIELD: Tom, can you hear me?

PERUMEAN: Yes, I can.

BANFIELD: I think we jumped into you. I was hearing something else in my ear, and I apologize to the viewer if they were hearing it, too.

Tom, this is such a disturbing audiotape, the 911 call. Has she stopped talking? And did she get a lawyer? I`m so concerned about what we are

hearing from Elizabeth Ramirez on that 911 call and what she is facing.

PERUMEAN: Well, a lot of the evidence that we reviewed. You know, this case of matricide reads like a "twilight" episode. It is cautionary tale of

emotional pressure, torment in the dynamic of mothers and daughters. Whether she can afford an attorney is one thing, of course. If she can`t,

shale be provided an attorney. But any defense attorney is going to sink their teeth into, you know, whether the county changes depraved

indifference, second-degree murder, or if the defense attorney tries a mental defect case.

You know, we know that something was going on here. I mean, the way that she was talking almost like a teenager, like a little child throwing a

tantrum. No, I`m not going to save her. No, I`m not going to, you know, perform CPR on her. Is she dead? I certainly hope so, you know.

That we know that something clearly is wrong here with the responses that the 911 dispatchers are getting out of Elizabeth Ramirez as --

BANFIELD: She has just completely written the prosecutor`s case against her with her own text on that 911 call. Real quick --

PERUMEAN: And she doesn`t care.

BANFIELD: Yes. That was the weirdest part. It was just so, you know -- it was as though she was calling in a grocery list it seemed. The neighbors in

this community looks like -- it looks like a nice street, looks like a nice community in Chandler, Arizona. Then also --

PERUMEAN: It is. Chandler`s a nice city.

BANFIELD: Other siblings, what are they saying about this story? I mean, the neighbors knew her presumably. The neighbors must have known mom,

presumably. There are siblings who Elizabeth says it sort just dumped mom on her. What`s the rounder side of the story, or do we even know it?

PERUMEAN: Well, one of the next door neighbors who has lived right next to Ms. Gutierrez for about three years it says, you know, the neighbors just

cannot believe something this tragic has happened and just a few doors down from where they lived. There was one neighbor that was speaking to another

television station and quoting, you know, "it was mostly shocking because our kids played around here."

You know, to get into the mind of Ms. Ramirez, we are going to have to - we are going to have see what the other family members say.

[19:10:29] BANFIELD: So let me jump in, if I can, detective Seth Tyler.

Let me jump in if I can, detective Seth Tyler. Detective Tyler is the public information officer for the chandler police department.

Detective Tyler, I mean, do I have it all straight? Is this case literally outlined on the 911 call? Is there something I don`t know is going on now

with this woman and where she sits behind bars?

DET. SETH TYLER, PIO, CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT (on the phone): Well, good evening. Yes, pretty much everything that Elizabeth said to our 911

operator is what occurred on the 16th of January. The one thing that hasn`t been spoken about yesterday, the previous day, we actually arrested

Elizabeth for DUI.

BANFIELD: So that`s interesting. I don`t know if it will play into this other than the fact that she didn`t have a car and was walking about a mile

to borrow mom`s car. And apparently that wasn`t going to happen.

There is a weird detail, a slipper and a sock were found in the kitchen. But I don`t believe that her mother was found in the kitchen. Is that a

piece of forensics that`s helpful in this case?

TYLER: I think it could be helpful. One of the things that the arriving patrol officer noted in his report was that mom was wearing one slipper,

and then he found the second slipper that was in the kitchen. And he pointed that out to the detective as they were leading Elizabeth to his

vehicle.

BANFIELD: All right. So if I can, I want to bring Dr. Daniel Bober, a forensic psychiatrist and assistant clinical professor at Yale University

school of medicine. Because at this point, I think the only thing I can try to figure out is what was in this woman`s state of mind, and maybe you can

read into that 911 call and some of the clues about having a history of being told by her mother that she was mentally ill. Is that helpful?

DR. DANIEL BOBER, ASSISTANT CLINICAL PROFESSOR, YALE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Ashleigh, you can be sure that she laid out the prosecutor`s case in the

911 call, but this case is not going to be simple. It`s going to come down to, I believe, years of emotional abuse, trauma and perhaps neglect. I

think that this was something that was in the making for a long time. It`s not just something that happened that day. And this woman sounded like she

was at the end of her rope. And as she said on the 911 call that she just snapped. And I think there is going to be a mental defect in this case and

I think it is going to comes down to her mental health history.

BANFIELD: Which brings me to defense attorney Jeff Gold who is with me now live. I always think that`s the first thing that someone will go to,

especially when they are on tape saying, my mom told me for my whole life I was mentally insane. And she doesn`t seem to think there`s much wrong with

what`s going on. And aren`t those things important for an insanity defense?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. I mean, this case is screaming out because her affect is matter of fact, describing exactly what she did, no

bones about it. We are used to hearing 911 calls where people lie. She doesn`t lie.

But whether or not she knew the nature and quality of her act which she probably did, she knew she strangled her, or didn`t know right from wrong

is the standard for insanity. So we will have to see. In some way or another, her mental disease or defect or whatever it is will play in what

happens.

BANFIELD: Distressing, especially seeing, you know, Bertha`s photograph.

Thank you for that, Jeff. Thank you also to you, doctor Bober, and detective Tyler and also to Tom Perumean in Georgia.

A driver led police on a high speed chase and it is moments like this that officers have to make those split-second choices if they want to make it

through their shift alive.

Officials say that this driver was doing nearly 70 in a 45 as police followed in pursuit until the suspect came to a crashing stop on his own.

And that is when the police officers had to move in.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are at the nursing home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay right there! Don`t you move! Do not move! Stay in the car. Do not move! Do not move!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, at this point, anyone who wants to survive would listen to every single command from that officer. But surviving just might not have

been at the top of suspect`s wish list. As you are about to see in a very disturbing moment caught on the dash cam video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying - he is trying to break the glass and get out. I don`t know if he has anything. I can`t see him. Stop right now! Stop! Get

down now! Stay right there! Stop or I`ll shoot you!

[19:15:13] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t give a (bleep)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired. Shots fired.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The suspect had been kicking out the back window, climbing on to the top of the car, lunging at the police officer with the knife. That

really leaves the officer with little choice other than what you saw happen. And after the shooting, police and paramedics had to work hard to

try to save the man`s life, but he did not make it. He died at the scene.

Steven Allwine seemed to be a picture-perfect preacher, but it was all a lie. He was living a double life and he was just convicted of killing his

wife and leaving her body in their bedroom for his son to find, 9-year-old son.

We are now getting a look at the prosecution`s evidence. And to say it`s chilling, an understatement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, what`s the address of the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think my wife shot herself. There`s blood all over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shot herself? With a gun?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:20:49] BANFIELD: There is a certain satisfaction when you hear the word guilty echo through a courtroom and then you look over and you see the wife

killer flinch.

But for those of you who are hard to convince or maybe just a little sympathetic, I got your satisfaction right here. Some newly released

evidence in the case of that married preacher man who used the Web site Ashley Madison to find a new squeeze and then put a bullet in his wife`s

head.

This is what his 9-year-old son discovered in his mommy`s bedroom. And I want to warn you, it is graphic. Her lifeless body on the floor. Her eyes

staring straight up at the ceiling with not a hint of focus. Her head cradled in a purpling pool of blood, much of it draining from her nose and

from her mouth, and a gun awkwardly staged at her left arm.

That`s the 9-year-old who found that. And how do we know that that little boy was there? You can clearly hear him in the background of the preacher

man`s Oscar-worthy 911 call.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, what`s the address of the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I -- I need to --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think my wife shot herself. There`s blood all over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shot herself? With a gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looks like it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does she still have the weapon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. We just got home --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she shoot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I just saw her and blood. There`s blood, the weapon by her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s no weapon by her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is -- the gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where -- OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not breathing. I can`t tell where she`s shot. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How long ago do you think she shot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was here -- when did I leave? 5:00 -- about 5:15, 5:30.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, so you last seen her around 5:00, 5:30?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did she shoot herself?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I don`t know, bud.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you going to remarry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not that I know, bud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re doing a really good job, Stephen, OK?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Yes, Stephen. You were doing a really good job with your 9-year- old who you knew would discover her dead, his mom. And by the way, just days after Stephen`s wife was found dead, bleeding on that bedroom floor,

Stephen Allwine told police that his marriage of 20 years was just great.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have been married for?

ALLWINE: Twenty years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In that 20 years has there been harmony and serenity the whole time or hiccups? Any issues?

ALLWINE: It`s been great. I tell people when you marry your best friend, it`s the best -- best feeling in the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Is it now? Because Stephen Allwine not only married his best friend, he also killed his best friend.

CRIME & JUSTICE producer Kyle Peltz has been working on this all day.

If I look angry, it`s because we have over two hours of the police interrogation. And you have been combing through it giving us -- I call

them the low lights. But what are the highlights? What else does Stephen Allwine have to see in his myriad lies, Kyle?

KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER (on the phone): Right. This interrogation video was conducted two days after his wife`s death. And

Stephen was actually freely speaking to the police when this happened with his attorney next to him. He had not yet been arrested. And police really

covered all their bases here. They asked him about the day Amy died, about his relationship with Amy and also his relationship with other women.

BANFIELD: So ultimately for the back story, for anybody kind of joining us on this particular saga, during the trial and beforehand, we learned that

the preacher man you are seeing there with the crocodile tears used to counsel other couples in their marriage problems. And that`s where he

learned about Ashley Madison, right? So he went on Ashley Madison and he met another lady. And he started cheating on his wife with that other lady.

And he ultimately combed the deep, dark web to find a hit man and paid a hit man and then got scammed by the hit man. Isn`t that awful when that

happens the hit man is also a criminal and you get scammed? That was $6000 bitcoin down the drain for Stephen Allwine.

And then he tried to get her to kill herself by sticking all these nasty letters on her saying that she was going to die and so was her family

unless she did it herself. And when that didn`t work, he just went ahead and grabbed the gun and did it for her.

So now that we know all that, Kyle, I just want to play a little bit more of that interrogation tape that you found, especially when the police are

asking him whether he is ever had a little infidelity. And this was how he handled that.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[19:26:10] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We asked about affairs earlier. I don`t know if -- you specifically, you haven`t had an intimate relationship with

anyone, have you? During the marriage?

ALLWINE: A couple of years ago, I had a short -- something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was Amy aware of that?

ALLWINE: No. She was not. Nobody was. It ended and I just couldn`t - I couldn`t do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you mind sharing that with me for the purpose of this investigation?

ALLWINE: I can`t --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you can. OK. Who was that?

ALLWINE: Michelle -- the first name. And --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know in is hard.

ALLWINE: It really started off as a friendship. She was going through a rough time. We would go back to her place but wouldn`t do anything. You

know, I would let her talk through her issues and such. And then one night -- one thing led to another, and I had sex.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: So since trial we get our hands on all of this, you know, information from the interrogation room. But we also got those crime scene

photographs. Very, very disturbing photographs. But very significant in the clues that they offered to this crime. And one of them, you can clearly see

a gun on the dead woman`s arm.

And Kyle Peltz, what was so significant about that was that which arm it was found on?

PELTZ: Well, it was found on her, near her left arm. But she is right handed.

BANFIELD: That`s never good. Was there anything else to the positioning of the gun? I`m trying to get my, you know, my mind around the way it`s

positioned. Would they have done a trajectory of some kind? Or was this just so obvious?

PELTZ: Well, we know the gunshot wound was actually to the right side of her head. Something that may be difficult to do with your left hand. But

that`s not all with the forensic evidence. Her autopsy revealed that there was no gunpowder stippling on her skin, around the entry wound, no evidence

of gun powder on her hands. And also no blood on either hand.

BANFIELD: Which is also very strange if you shoot yourself in the head.

I want to bring in Kevin DeVore. He is Stephen Allwine`s defense attorney. He has been kind enough to join me before and he is live with me now again

from Minneapolis.

Kevin, thank you.

KEVIN DEVORE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR STEPHEN ALLWINE (on the phone): Hi, Ashleigh. You are welcome.

BANFIELD: You know, you were seated next to your client in that interrogation video. And all I could think was you are looking at him. He

is dabbing his eyes. This is I think two days after the crime. He isn`t arrested for a couple of months. Are you worried that he is just talking

too much?

DEVORE: Well, obviously, before I sit down with an interview with a client, I go through, you know, what happened, where they were, what was going on,

and try to determine what kind of a defense I have. And in this particular case, it seemed evident that, you know, he had an interest in, you know,

giving them the details. And you know, obviously the details presented themselves differently in the trial. But at the time, you know, he was able

to give them details. And he was not at the time quote-unquote "being looked at as a suspect."

BANFIELD: Did you get the feeling at this point because this went on for hours and hours. And I`m assuming he was Mirandized, right?

DEVORE: Yes, it was a voluntary statement.

BANFIELD: Sure. Did you get -- I`m just sort of kind of read your body language there. And you have quite a poker face. But did you suspect at any

point, oh, dear God, I think they are zeroing in on him and him alone?

[19:30:01] DEVORE: Well, I mean, I have been doing this for over 20 years and I`ve done these exact interviews many times before so I knew that they

were certainly looking at him. But at the time, you know, in discussing his situation, it seemed to me that the best thing that he could do to be able

to, you know, explain where -- at least where he was and what he was doing, and you know, that`s kind of what we -- you know, in this particular

situation, that`s what we decided to do.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Well, and he`s a preacher for God`s sake. What -- who wouldn`t believe a preacher, right? Let me just read something from

the Star Tribune after the trial. They wrote that your client, Allwine, lamented that he didn`t take the stand, he didn`t testify, and they quote

him as saying, "Maybe I should have to explain certain things." They also said that he said that he lost the case because prosecutors did a better

job of persuading the jury than his defense attorney, Kevin DeVore did. That`s going to get in your craw. How did you feel about that?

DEVORE: Doesn`t -- that`s OK. I mean, you know, when we -- when we handle a case like this, I mean, we work on this for 14 months -- we`ve been working

on the case and every aspect of what we`ve discussed and gone through, and balanced whether he should testify, whether he shouldn`t testify, and

everything that I argued was something that I worked through with him. So, you know --

BANFIELD: Do you still think, though, honestly? Kevin, do you still think, maybe I should have put him up there on the stand?

DEVORE: No.

BANFIELD: Because if it didn`t go well, he`d have only himself to blame.

DEVORE: No, absolutely not. His statement was already presented through the (INAUDIBLE) or through the interview that you played part of. The jury saw

that, it was all on the video, and it was 2-1/2 hours. That is essentially his statement. And unless you`re going to add --

BANFIELD: That`s a lot.

DEVORE: -- a significant explanation for one thing or another that would be material in the case, there would be no reason to put him on the stand to

then be subject to cross-examination.

BANFIELD: Well, let me tell you something, I have not -- I haven`t made a secret of it, I`m not going to make a secret of it now, I do not like your

client. But I do like you, Kevin, and I appreciate you coming on to talk us through this case.

DEVORE: Sure.

BANFIELD: We hope we talk to you in a different circumstance at a different time. Thank you.

DEVORE: Thank you, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: We`ve all heard of ungrateful children. You know, kids that disappoint or disrespect their parents time and time again. And then,

there`s this fellow, Kyle Navin, a son who was reportedly given just about everything but still wanted more. And then, allegedly killed his parents to

make sure he could get it.

[19:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We all want our children to have a better life than we did. It`s why we work hard and teach them well and plan for their futures. But I`m

guessing that plan would never include taking a bullet so that junior can help himself to all your money. The prosecutors say Kyle Navin did just

that -- a rich and entitled kid from Connecticut. They say he offed his parents with the help of his girlfriend and planned to live on easy street

while they rolled over in the grave that he dug for them. Large part of the prosecution`s case involved text messages between Navin and his girlfriend

that seemed to indicate the crime was planned for quite some time.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We need to figure out what the best way to take them down whether it is get some money out of them. Somehow (BLEEP) him at the

business, the house, something we got to figure out. I`m got to be real smart and do it quick. Then we`ll have the 200k credit union, Weston house,

and J&J profit. I`ve been thinking it nonstop since yesterday. It would solve every single problem and give us a wealthy, amazing life. Think about

it, little one."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, little one, the girlfriend, Jennifer Valiante, took a plea deal in November and got only eight years behind bars. More on that in a

moment. But Kyle Navin rejected his own plea offer, and his case is going to go right to trial. And if convicted, he`s going to face a mandatory life

in prison if it doesn`t go his way.

With me now, Patricia Gay, community editor for The Western Forum. She joins me from Ridgefield, Connecticut. Patricia, this is like a -- like a

movie, this trial. It`s sort of a remarkable. And I remember when it all started. This was just a missing couple. And lo and behold, it turned into

all of this. Are the text messages between Kyle Navin and his girlfriend really the linchpin in this case, or is there something far more sinister

that connects him to the crime?

PATRICIA GAY, COMMUNITY EDITOR, THE WESTERN FORUM (via telephone): Hi, Ashleigh. Thank you, and yes, I think the text messages are really

indicative of what was going on here. I mean, social media, text messages, and everything that`s out there now says so much more. And this really did

leave a trail that showed that this -- these murders appeared to definitely be planned. They were planned.

BANFIELD: So, I want to -- yes, I want to play one more of the -- I mean, read it actually -- that one of these texts from Kyle to his girlfriend,

Jennifer, and it`s pretty damning. I mean -- and by the way, when you do this stuff, you know, you set yourself up for people to read them on T.V.

when you`re on trial for murder.

[19:40:05] So, this is what Kyle says to Jennifer, "We need to figure out what the best way to take them down. We`ll have hundreds to thousands,

enjoy life, take vacations, having fun with friends, no stress, no contact ever again with bad people. It would solve every single problem and give us

a wealthy, amazing life. It`s a perfect plan. Wipe out the virus and get the money for life." So, these texts are horrible. But, you know, you can

also say, you know, a pox be on all your houses and you don`t really mean it. Is there something better, is there -- is there some really tangible

direct evidence that they -- that they have as well? I mean, these are -- they`re shallow graves, right, found in a friend`s back yard? You know,

correct me if I`m wrong with the details. Is there -- is there more evidence that`s going to come out in trial --

GAY: Oh, yes.

BANFIELD: -- about those graves and about transporting bodies and where the parents were killed and how?

GAY: Oh, yes. There`s a lot of evidence which makes it really surprising that Kyle Navin has decided to turn down a plea deal and, you know, go for

a trial because they have -- they both were shot so they have -- they have the bullets, they have all that kind of evidence, they have weapons that

they seized from Kyle Navin, there`s all kinds of blood evidence. They believe that Jeanette Navin was -- the mother, she was killed in a truck,

and they have all the blood evidence there. They have blood evidence from Kyle Navin`s basement where they believe he killed his father. They do have

-- they have the bodies which were uncovered at a former friend`s home which had been abandoned in Weston. It`s just down the street from a

church. And the bodies were discovered there.

BANFIELD: OK. So, a couple of other things that -- I`m just seeing in front of me as well. Apparently, prosecution says that Kyle owed his parents

about $133,000. There`s other allegations that Kyle had not been making good on the taxes and the mortgage on the house that his parents bought him

and that he had this drug problem, and they were frustrated. So, that could be some motive there. He had agreed, apparently, to take a polygraph and

then refused. And then his brother, his younger brother, Taylor, apparently, said that the moment he found that his parents were missing, he

was quoted to have said, "They`re either on vacation, or my brother did something to them." So, who knows how his brother, Taylor, will factor into

this.

But I want to bring in Norm Pattis who`s the attorney for Kyle Navin`s girlfriend, Jennifer Valiante and he`s kind enough to be here on the set

with me. So, those text messages went to your client.

NORMAN PATTIS, ATTORNEY OF KYLE NAVIN`S GIRLFRIEND: Absolutely.

BANFIELD: And she agreed a few times saying, you know, they`re playing you, and I hear you, sounds good, I just don`t know, I`m sick and tired of them

controlling everything. That is never good when you see these messages your client is involved with. And yet, eight years, that`s it.

PATTIS: Well, the defense was mere presence. There`s no question there was tension in the household. It wasn`t paradise, it wasn`t quite the rosy

picture that you paint. Certainly, Kyle had privilege but his, but his father had enormous strings and controlled this couple too fairly well.

It`s expected at the ultimate sentencing that the decedent`s brother, Kyle`s uncle, will testify on Kyle`s behalf about the cruelty in that home.

Having said that --

BANFIELD: Well, cruelty-schmuelty. I mean, sorry, you just don`t, you know --

(CROSSTALK)

PATTIS: But all the things happen for a reason. He didn`t wake up one day and say I -- he didn`t wake up one day and say, "Let`s play a lotto and

shoot mommy and daddy." There was a subtext here and a history. And I think that the state offered my client a good deal in part so that she would not

testify and bring to the jury some of it.

BANFIELD: And she`s not going to testify in his trial.

PATTIS: No, she`s not.

BANFIELD: So, she`s risking -- I mean, her judge, when it comes time to be sentenced after his trial could say, to hell with eight years, I`m giving

you more. And then what are you going to do?

PATTIS: Well, if the deal is an eight-year deal, if the judge doesn`t impose that, we will go to trial and her defense will be mere presence.

Those text messages --

BANFIELD: Mere presence which is lawyer speak for I was just there, I didn`t do it.

PATTIS: And that`s right. You know, the father was -- we know where the father was killed. We know what happened at that time but she was not

involved. Conspiracy means you and I make an agreement to do something and one of us goes out and does an act in furtherance of it.

BANFIELD: OK. So, with that in mind, Kyle Navin certainly gambling with his future. I think we could fairly say as he turned down 60 years and he could

get life. So, is it a good defense strategy or is this the mistake of a lifetime? We`re going to break it down next and then a little more about

that girlfriend in a moment.

[19:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: There`s really no guaranteed way to have a great deal of money for life, is there? The police say a son of a wealthy Connecticut couple

thought he certainly had the perfect plan, he allegedly went through with the plan, which was to kill the money bank, his parent. Kyle Navin is about

to go on trial as jury selection gets underway in Connecticut. He is charged with two counts of first-degree murder, and for that, he faces life

in prison if he gets convicted. And what could be Navin`s undoing are reams and reams of text messages that he exchanged with his girlfriend. May come

back to bite you.

[19:50:00] Norm Pattis is that girlfriend`s attorney, and he`s still with me as is Jeff Gold and also Patricia Gay with the Western Forum. I want to

go back to you if I can, Norm, for a minute on this, because before you jumped on the case, on Jennifer`s case, she was the one exchanging all of

these messages with Kyle. Her other attorney, Elliott Warren, had this to say about those text messages because they`re not good, you know, you

certainly read them and you don`t know how you could explain your way out of that one, but this is what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELLIOT WARREN, ATTORNEY OF JENNIFER VALIANTE: These are a small sampling of dozens of texts a day that went between Kyle and Jennifer. I think that a

lot of them that you may think is incriminating have been juxtaposed and are not in context.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I can`t think of anything that puts them into context, am I crazy?

PATTIS: Nope.

BANFIELD: OK.

PATTIS: Yes, I mean, sometimes you`re on the courthouse steps and they`re asking questions and you do the best you can.

BANFIELD: Yes. Because I`m telling you that these are ugly, ugly messages that just to get you up to speed, if you didn`t see the last segment. Kyle

wrote to her, "We need to figure out what the best way is to take them down. It would solve every single every problem and give us a wealthy

amazing life." And her response is usually something like, "I`m sick and tired of them controlling everything. I hear you. It sounds good. I just

don`t know. They`re playing you." So, she certainly didn`t seem like she was against anything, but she got hindering prosecution. She was apparently

caught buying bags and cleaning stuff?

PATTIS: Yes.

BANFIELD: But hindering prosecution? Nothing more than that? Was that tough?

PATTIS: Well, no, she pled straight guilty to hindering prosecution. There was a maximum sentence of 10 years there, she took eight, and then she pled

under something called the (INAUDIBLE) doctrine, a doctrine that says, you know, I didn`t do it but I understand a jury might think I did and got

concurrent time on the conspiracy. So, there were two guilty pleas there, but she got -- she didn`t get a lot for the conspiracy claim.

BANFIELD: So, Jeff Gold, jump in here if you would, in Connecticut, this is big, you know, they do individual voir dire, it can take a long time to

pick a jury and this is kind of sexy stuff. I said it was like a movie. Can you pick a jury easy enough when you have something like this?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Can you pick a jury? Sure, you can pick a jury, but the facts aren`t very helpful in this case. I don`t really know

how in this case they can make a deal with one -- with a hinder, to say you`re not going to testify. I think the state is afraid that she might

testify, because they know there`s something missing here. And probably she knows a lot more than she`s willing to say but all they could get her on

was the hindering, so that`s the deal they took, but they probably wanted her.

BANFIELD: So, Norm, what about them turning on each other? Because either one of them could have got a much better deal in this life if they just,

you know, pointed to the other guy?

PATTIS: Love is blind.

BANFIELD: Love is blind. Seriously?

PATTIS: Seriously. They offered -- for the longest time, we couldn`t get a straight answer from the state about what their intensions were. We`re

working on something, they said. We found out that that was a nine-hour interview with Mr. Navin in which they basically told them, what was her

role?

BANFIELD: Turn on her and you`ll do better.

PATTIS: Well, they didn`t quite put it on those terms but that was the implicit text and he didn`t, he wouldn`t turn on her at all. And after that

meeting, one of the prosecutors told me, he must love her.

BANFIELD: What about her? What if -- did they not say to her, look, Jennifer, spill the beans, because you`re facing up to 10 years here.

PATTIS: I wouldn`t permit it. There was not enough evidence to convict her --

BANFIELD: Didn`t she want to?

PATTIS: No.

BANFIELD: If this guy`s going away for let`s just say, I don`t know, 60 years or maybe life, what good is having a boyfriend like that? Seriously.

PATTIS: What good is betraying a person you love and what good are you -- are you to yourself if you look at your love --

BANFIELD: Well, if he`s a murder? Honestly?

PATTIS: You know, when it`s one of their worst moments, you know better.

BANFIELD: Oh, you`re the sum of your worst moment if you`re a killer in my books.

PATTIS: Are you? Have you never -- have you never been angry enough to kill?

BANFIELD: Never. Are you honestly asking me that? Are you honestly asking me that question?

PATTIS: Have you never been angry enough to kill?

BANFIELD: Never.

PATTIS: Then you`ve not lived.

BANFIELD: Oh, dear God, we have another whole show planned for this one.

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: I cannot believe you just said that! And never, ever, ever. Adorable. My goodness. My thanks to all my guests. OK. So, I`m not like

this other lady, she`s young and she`s beautiful. And tonight, she`s a free woman. We`re going to have the latest on the yoga twin and the verdict and

that smile.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight. One verdict, not guilty. That was what was said in the trial of yoga twin, Alexandria Duval. She was in a

murder trial and you can certainly see relief on her face as she hugs her attorney in the moments after that "not guilty" was read. She was accused

of killing her identical twin, murdering Anastasia by driving both of them, herself at the driver`s seat, off a 200-foot cliff in Hawaii.

According to the eyewitnesses, those sisters were seen fighting in the car right before the car went over the cliff and Alexandria`s defense team

argued that it was an accident, despite evidence of hair actually found in her twin`s hands and then testimony as well about Alexandria cuddling up to

Anastasia`s boyfriend just days after that fatal crash, but not guilty. And there you go.

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