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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

Cops; Jesus Arrested After Stealing Pizza And Soda; Horrifying Discovery; Strange Disappearance; Breaking News; Bizarre Twist. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired March 28, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. "Crime and Justice with Ashleigh Banfield," is up next.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is "Crime and Justice." It is fair to say

that 911 dispatchers have heard just about anything and everything that you can think of, but last week in a high point, North Carolina the dispatcher

on duty probably never imagined that he would be getting a call from Jesus.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: High Point 911. What is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. This is Jesus Christ and I just broke into the Pizza Hut and I broke the window and I`m here -- Jesus is here now. He`s

back to earth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. And you don`t work there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I just broke in and had a pizza. I`m Jesus.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what was your name again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Jesus.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your last time in, Jesus?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Christ.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And what do you look like?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I look like Jesus. What else am I supposed to look like?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you do that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because I`m Jesus. I can do whatever I want. I`m tired of Judas on this earth. We are going to clean this earth up. So

what are you up to?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where do you live at?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t. I`m from heaven.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you get over to the Pizza Hut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m from heaven, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And did you break the front window?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I broke the door window, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you eat a pizza?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And had a Mountain Dew.

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BANFIELD: Police say that Jesus also known as Richard Lee Cantero was found inside the Pizza Hut, actually eating that slice of pizza and

drinking that Mountain Dew. He was taken in to custody, he is now charged with breaking and entering and larceny.

From the ridiculous crime to the incredible crime. The crime scene at the Arizona home where Brittany Velasquez lives with her parents is like

nothing that street has ever seen before. Her at least 10-month-old daughter Brooklyn and Brooklyn`s two year old brother Christopher were

discovered dead, still strap into their car seats with the windows rolled all the way up. We do not know how long they were sitting there. We do

not know how hot it might have been inside that car. We don`t even know if the Arizona heat that killed them, or -- if it was the Arizona heat that

killed them, but we do know by the time the Velasquez found them, it was too late.

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CHRISTIAN ENSLEY, INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE, SUPERIOR POLICE DEPARTMENT: Approximately 22:56 hours, we responded to a medical call in the -- 100

block of Richard Avenue. And the initial details were that two infant children -- excuse me, one toddler and one infant had been found deceased

inside a vehicle. CPR efforts were performed. They were not successful.

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BANFIELD: If Brittany Velasquez did everything she could to save her kids, it did not work. And now, she is charged with first-degree murder. In the

small town of Superior, Arizona, where everyone knows everyone, it`s throwing everyone for a loop.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is just such a tragedy on so many levels. That is the thing. You know, I believe she loved the kids, but who knows -- who

knows what was going on in her head.

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BANFIELD: With me now is Jo Ann Bauer, she is the news director for IHeartMedia, KFYI. Joanne, it seems like such a mystery. Do we have any

idea, how these children actually died?

JO ANN BAUER, NEWS DIRECTOR IHEARTMEDIA, KFYI: Initially at this point, police are not releasing any details on that, but what I can tell you is

that neighbors are saying. And they said that Brittany took the children to a babysitter and that babysitter had brought them back at some point in

the day and that Brittany went to work. Came home and found those children dead in the car before she took their lifeless bodies out and took them

into the home and they began CPR and called 911.

BANFIELD: So, here`s why I find this story perplexing. We often hear this stories about children who die and parents who are arrested, but we

typically get some kind of narrative from the police. In this particular case, the reporters were trying every way they could to find out what

happened here. Was it a case of hot car, was it a case of -- of shooting? Was it a case of strangulation? But they didn`t seem to get much -- they

did get some things eliminated though. What was eliminated in terms of what happened to the kids?

BAUER: You know, we can confirm, Sheriff Markland said in yesterday`s press conference that there was no evidence of stabbing or shooting of the

children. And I spoke directly with the Chief Ensley and again, just as they were in the press conference, very tight lip and not willing to

release any information outside of saying that there were signs of foul play.

[18:15:10] BANFIELD: So, here`s something I want to play, if I can from the Interim Chief of Police. And it had to do with what kind of life these

little kids were living. And let`s not forget we are talking about a 2- year-old boy and a 10 month old girl. All right? And the situation that they lived in was obviously not what it should have been, because if it

should -- if it was the way it should have been, CPS wouldn`t have been called on numerous occasions. Here`s what the police had to say about

that.

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ENSLEY: We know Brittany. In the last two years, we probably responded to her home, to her house on seven or eight different occasions for various

matters. At least one incident that happened on January 3rd where CPS was contacted, it was reported, that they did not take any action.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family seemed to indicate that you were trying to help in regards to CPS. Is that a fair statement?

ENSLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And nothing was done?

ENSLEY: To my knowledge, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this frustrating for you?

ENSLEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were concerned it could get to this level, maybe in that January 12th?

ENSLEY: One of our officers was, yes. That is why he called.

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BANFIELD: I want to bring in CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant Director, Tom Fuentes. Tom, does this seem like a typical

way to handle a case like this? I mean, we often get the narrative and we may not get the details from the police, but we often get the narrative, at

least how these kids died. Was it a hot car or was it something more hands on. And yet this woman is being charged with first-degree murder.

TOM FUENTES, CNN`S SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST AND FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, I think, Ashleigh, that there are -- there are probably a

number of indications that they are just basically going with a lot of coincidental information that may indicate that the woman abused her

children in many, many occasions resulting in the police, notifying the child services to -- look into it. And then they came back and didn`t do

anything or didn`t separate the children for their own safety.

And now you have it where they just all of a sudden end up dead. And it may be that the police are going with that type of information. It could

be other information from neighbors and baby-sitters and people where they were dropped off at school or with other people to watch. That may have

indicated to the police that enough is enough and they have enough to go ahead and charge her and then finish putting the case together. Especially

when they get the toxicology reports which usually can take a couple of weeks.

BANFIELD: So the -- frustration, I think, so many people have when they hear the CPS has numerous phone calls to these resident -- residence and

ultimately two little children end up dead. I want to, you know, tell you what CPS in this case. It`s actually called DCS. What they have to say,

at least about the incident that the police were just talking about in January of 2018.

This was the response from DCS. Miss Velasquez, left her children for extended periods of time with the maternal grandmother, without adequate

supplies to care for them. The children showed no signs of abuse or neglect, there were no legal grounds to remove the children from the

parent`s custody. And DCS, has also had to send out a response to another incident that happened a year and a half prior to this. Now, we are just

talking about that last incident from January. This is from back in October of 2016. Where yet again, DCS, Department of Child Services, was

called about this mother and these children. And this is what they had to say about that incident.

Miss Velasquez, would leave her child again with the maternal grandmother. The report alleged that the grandmother was too old to properly care for

the child. A DCS investigation concluded, there was insufficient evidence to prove the allegations. Jo Ann Bauer, if DCS, keeps saying that this

maternal grandmother can`t cope, and these children keep getting dumped on her, why is that insufficient to say remove the children? The

grandmother`s complaining, at least another family members complaining, that they are not capable of looking after these kids that keep getting

dumped on them. DCS, keeps saying, well, sorry, nothing we can do. How is that?

BAUER: Well, DCS says that they saw the children on multiple occasions, during that investigations dating back to October of 2016. And they say

that their investigation found that there is insufficient evidence to prove any of those allegations, but, I think, Ashleigh, one of the things that is

very telling here is, it wasn`t just the police in January of this year who called the hotline of DCS urging them to take action, but the suspect`s own

brother, Vincent Velasquez, said that he begged DCS to take the kids -- the kids.

[18:10:00] BANFIELD: He begged them?

BAUER: He begged.

BANFIELD: DCS, exists for this purpose, right? And listen, tell if I`m wrong here, but I`ve always understood that the Department of Child and

Family Services, around this country exist to stop children from suffering and to stop children from dying. And these two children are dead and mom

is charged with first degree, right?

BAUER: Yes.

BANFIELD: Am I wrong here? Have I said anything wrong here? First degree murder on this mom, who has dumped her kids on her maternal grandmother and

maybe anybody else in that family with the complaints and these kids are now dead. Is -- DCS responding to this incident now? To the fact that two

kids are dead?

BAUER: Basically, they said in a statement that they understand the types of tragic events evoked emotional reactions, that they also --

BANFIELD: They are damn right, we do.

BAUER: -- know the children suffered, but they said, they can only make decisions that are based on the available evidence and based on what the

law allows and they said that they acted on good faith, based on the information that they had. And they maintain, there was insufficient

evidence that the children were cared for and that the case was both unsubstantiated and closed.

BANFIELD: OK. I want to add a little point here, you always want to know, where is the dad? Right? Because the dad is an important part of all of

these, right? It takes two to do the village, but two in particular. Dad is dead. Dad died about a year ago apparently of meth. A meth overdose.

OK, DCS. Randy Kessler, you are a defense attorney, you are a trial attorney. You have seen this kind of thing happen a lot.

RANDY KESSLEY, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Yes, unfortunately.

BANFIELD: First-degree murder -- unfortunately? First degree murder sounds like a pretty tall bar. And keeping in mind, there is a lot that we

don`t know about this case yet. But is this an overcharged case?

KESSLEY: Yes, that`s the thing we don`t know. We have no idea. You know, you talk about what DCS did or didn`t do, everything that they saw didn`t

say these children are going to be murdered. I mean, they`ve got it hindsight 20/20. Now, that we know that DCS should have step in and act a

bit, but overcharging, until we know the facts, unless there is really some easy evidence to prove, there were no witnesses, there`s nobody that is an

eyewitness to this. It`s hard to prove murder without an eyewitness or a confession.

BANFIELD: Yes. I will say that. And you know what, I think, when we get more facts in, we are going to get you back to talk about this, because

again, right now, we don`t know if it`s hot car, strangulation or something else, but it`s enough, the police say and they`ve been real coy about it.

It`s enough to go for first-degree murder. Some more on this, everybody stand by.

It was not unusual for people in Fort Lauderdale to see Constantine Harris (ph), paddling out to sea. He is a licensed diver, he grew up on the

water, live on the water, but he took off on the paddle board you see there, last Tuesday. And that looks like a pretty serene video, right?

Except for the fact that Constantine Harris has not been seen since.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is my older brother and he`s a very avid diver, he knows what he`s doing out there, he will take off by himself on a

paddleboard or just swim from the beach right here. You know, go out to the third reef`s and one of my friends mentioned that, you know, going free

diving, he might have stayed down there a little bit too long, because he`s pretty stressed out right now. You know, family matters.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Family matters. Yes, that is an interesting way of looking at it. Because there is a family matter that equates to more than $600,000

that Con allegedly owes in child support. Con, even had a court appearance scheduled to the very day that he disappeared on the paddleboard. He did

not make that court appearance and he didn`t make one yesterday either, because the judge had rescheduled. Con`s wallet, Con`s cell phone, Con`s

passport, all of them left behind in the home. His family and friends said they are desperate to find out where he is.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he is somewhere out -- if he`s somewhere out there, scared or something, he is just, let somebody know. Let somebody know, so

we could, you know, all rest it may.

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BANFIELD: And while we wait for answers as to where Con is, it seems we are getting some answers about a missing California actress. 25-year-old

Adea Shabani disappeared over a month ago. And she was last spotted at a coffee shop in Hollywood. She is a stunning star on the rise and spent

time with all the Hollywood greats, big celebrities, but now everyone from the superstars to her classmates at acting school are likely going to have

to mourn her death. Because police think, they are saying at least that they may have found her body, some 400 miles away along the banks of a

Northern California creek.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They found what they believe to be a shallow grave. When we checked it, we were able to determine that it contained human

remains. This point in time, we believe that those remains are the body of Miss Adea Shabani. We cannot say that conclusively at this point in time,

because the conditions of the remains prohibit a positive identification.

[18:15:00] Also -- we also believe that Mr. Spotz -- Christopher Spotz, was somehow involved in her death and we believe this to be a homicide.

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BANFIELD: Christopher Spotz was Adea`s boyfriend and also another woman`s fiance. We have learned tonight that he told police he was driving Adea to

his father`s home in Sacramento, but clearly Adea did not make it to his father`s home and Christopher can`t clarify any of this now, because he led

police on a high speed chase last week, and here are the results of that. He shot himself, when he came to a stop. So that mystery will go to his

grave.

Allegations of a horrifying set of attacks on a 16-year-old girl at the hands of her own parents. Police say they beat her. They poured hot oil

on her and why? Apparently she didn`t want to marry the man they picked out for her. We are going to have other details on this mystery and how it

evolved and also you can now listen to our show anytime, download our podcast on Apple podcast, IHeartRadio, Stitcher, TuneIn or wherever you get

your podcast for your "Crime and Justice" fix.

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BANFIELD: When teen girls go missing, their parents get worried sick. And unfortunately, that is none at unusual story on our show. But it is

unusual story when the parents start to seem more like villains than the victims of a family tragedy. 16-year-old, Maarib Al Hishmawi was missing

for more than a month and a half. Last seen leaving her high school in San Antonio. And while investigators followed every single lead they could to

find her and even looking in the FBI to navigate her family`s cultural barriers, Maarib`s dad, made a public plea and Maarib`s dad, suggested the

worst may have happened to his only daughter.

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ABDULAH FAHMI AL HISHMAWI, MAARIB`S FATHER: My daughter, she got kidnapped or she -- somebody take her. Something wrong. If she is still alive. We

love you. We like you. We miss you. Please come back home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: While investigators started hearing some stories that made it seem like, Maarib, may have actually left home on her own. It made it seem

like, maybe she was not taken. Like, instead maybe she took off. And a month and a half into their questioning, investigators dropped a bombshell.

They had already found her and she was taken in by an organization, in charged with keeping her safe, because Maarib starting telling some stories

too, that she had been beaten by her parents, because she refused to marry the grown man that her parents had promised her to.

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SHERIFF JAVIER SALAZAR, BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: It came pretty obvious very early on that this was not a regular missing person`s case.

It was reported to us that this young lady was abused with hot cooking oil, being thrown on her body. She was beaten with broomsticks and at least in

one point she was choke, almost to the point of unconsciousness.

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BANFIELD: It turns out that Maarib`s parents had already been paid allegedly $20,000 for their 16-year-old daughter`s hand in marriage. Money

that they were going to use for court fees, if they ever see that money at all, because they had been arrested and charged with something called,

continuous violence of a family member. And it is a felony, yes. And her father was sure seemed to be singing in a different tune, when he was being

arrested.

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AL HISHMAWI: Everything exaggerate. Everything, you know, my daughter, she`s saying, it`s not true.

My daughter she wanted just go to the wrong way. She need to go to drugs, maybe. She may have friends, bad friend.

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BANFIELD: Drugs, bad friends. That doesn`t sound like kidnapping, does it? I want to bring in People Magazine staff writer, Elaine Aradillas.

Elaine, this story is very complicated. At first, the parents seem devastated that someone may have stolen their child and then they became

defensive that they never did anything to hurt her. And then all of a sudden that very strange little moment, while the dad is being arrested.

Oh, she might have been going to drugs or bad friends. What do we know about the real story behind this?

ELAINE ARADILLAS, PEOPLE STAFF WRITER: I mean, it`s an incredibly sad story. I think, you know, what happened is she disappeared from her high

school. So, clearly people around her knew she disappeared. And I think, you know, and you expect parents to go on television and plead for help to

find them.

BANFIELD: Yes. Then I thought weird, right? They thought wired, I mean - -

ARADILLAS: Exactly.

BANFIELD: There is all this help us find our daughter, we think she`s been kidnapped, but then the police start suggesting even before they found her,

Elaine, this is what`s weird. Even before they found this young 16-year- old girl, Maarib, they started suggesting that they are learning she may have been abused by a family member.

[18:25:07] Do you have any idea where they were hearing it? because if they didn`t have her to tell them that, someone had to be telling the

police that Maarib had been in trouble with her family and had been suffering at their hands.

ARADILLAS: Well, apparently, I mean to the affidavit, the affidavit even report that they interviewed witnesses who is said that she repeatedly

talked about the abuse that she was suffering. So, it doesn`t sound like this was a complete secret. She had plenty of scars to show people the

abuse that had allegedly had taken place against her.

BANFIELD: And all of it because she was not interested at 16 in marrying a man who was almost 30, who allegedly paid $20,000 to marry this child?

ARADILLAS: Well, and actually she was 15, when the abuse started. Who`s the 15-year-old girl basically, they are turning her into a child bride.

You know, I mean, this is a nearly 30-year-old man. That they are trying to get her --

BANFIELD: This is happening in America too. I want to be clear. That I know that -- I know that there are different cultural values elsewhere in

the world where maybe that happens and maybe they don`t get prosecuted for it, but this was happening here. And this an American family, correct?

ARADILLAS: That`s correct. I mean the family came from Iraq, but where they are living, she went to Taft High School in San Antonio, Texas. I am

from San Antonio, I know this area very well. It is middle class American neighborhood like anything you see across the country.

BANFIELD: This poor kid. I mean, God, 16 years old and to be mired in any of this, if it`s true. Listen, the dad had this to say in the middle of it

all. And I`m always fascinated to see videotape, before an arrest to hear what people have to say as they continuing their narrative. Maarib`s gone

somewhere, Dad then hears the police saying where we are now hearing that Maarib`s may had been abused by a family member and this is what dad had to

say that?

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AL HISHMAWI: Please help me. Every time we go into her room, we cry. This is not the truth. Nobody abused my daughter. Nobody touched her. He

never go to her room, she never go to, where he is living in the Dallas. I have nothing to hide. I`m not scared about this. OK. My daughter, this

guy, we help this together to get -- to build family, after when my daughter was missing, and I called the guy and I told her everything was

canceled.

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BANFIELD: Oh my God. He is admitting to it, it seems on tape, right? I called the guy and said maybe this was not a good idea, this $20,000 sale

of my daughter for her hand in marriage. I want to bring in Bexar County Sherriff, Javier Salazar, just want to sort through this details. First

and foremost, thank you for taking the time to speak with us, Sheriff.

Can you tell me what kind of information you found in terms of what was happening to Maarib in the home? What are the allegations, what kind of

abuse was she suffering?

JAVIER SALAZAR, BEXAR COUNTY, SHERIFF`S OFFICE: This is heart breaking. Quit honestly -- you know, she did come up missing, but it wasn`t a normal

missing person`s case, very early on. We started hearing allegations of an ongoing abuse, then we start hearing about this forced marriage. Not an

arranged marriage. Make no mistake, this was a forced marriage. And, you know, so we -- it became pretty apparent that this is not a regular missing

person case. This young lady either found her life so unbearable that she had no other choice, but to venture out into the world or something more

sinister that happen and I will just kind of leave it that.

BANFIELD: So, to those charges, Sheriff, that is critical, because as I look at the arrest affidavit, there`s, I think one of the trigger moments

was the dad allegedly found some pictures on Snapchat that maybe Maarib, had a Snapchat account he didn`t like. That he used a swifter broom handle

on her.

SALAZAR: Yes.

BANFIELD: That there are some allegations as well of hot oil, specifically, what happen to her? What kind of abuse?

SALAZAR: Well, we know about that -- broom handle that was used on her. It is metal, and that minor saying that a piece of it was jagged and it --

it made a cut on her. And when she was taken to the emergency room, she was told to tell the story she cut herself while cutting a watermelon. And

that would how she explain away that injury. At one point, she described being in the kitchen with her mom, again, trying to talk to her about the -

- this marriage arrangement and she refused and the mother threw hot cooking grease or oil on her and caused burns on her hand and both of her

legs. And then another time she describes being pinned down and throttled, strangled to the point where she was almost out -- unconscious. And each

time she describes that the only way that she could put an end to that abuse at that given point in time was to actually agree to marry this guy.

BANFIELD: So, about that guy, the $20,000 alleged deal, are you any further on that investigation? Do you know who he is? Have you caught him?

Because in my books he is as guilty if he is trying to buy a child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. We know who he is. My understanding is that our partners in the FBI in the local Dallas area have spoken to him. I

don`t know much about the details about what took place in that interview with the FBI, but sure, I wouldn`t rule out the fact that he may be facing

other charges in connection to this.

BANFIELD: That`s the Dallas jurisdiction. It is important to note that, that he is apparently in the Dallas jurisdiction, so he is not your caller

if in fact he -- if he ends up mired in some kind of legal litigation over this.

Real quickly, sheriff, hold on for a moment. I want to bring in Randy Kessler as a defense attorney on this one. I am trying to figure out what

charge is here. I mean you can`t just sell your kids for marriage. Culturally, it doesn`t exist here. So what`s the actual charge? Could they

charge him with more?

RANDY KESSLER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: There is a crime for selling your child for marriage, but also the assault, battery, the hot oil, the beating. There is

all this --

BANFIELD: Also the continued silence of the family. I`m wondering about the other garbage. Selling your child for $20,000 to the best bidder.

What`s that charge?

KESSLER: It`s like trafficking. It`s like prostitution. It`s like selling minor child. There are special laws to protect them. There are some stuff

like this. And there is a federal law against it. There is probably local state laws as well. There are going to be five or six or seven charges

coming down against them, especially since there was corroboration. It is not the daughter`s word against theirs. Apparently there are other

witnesses. They were telling the same story.

BANFIELD: Yes. That are stuff does not work here. It may work elsewhere, but that stuff doesn`t work here. And it`s astounding that someone even

tried. Randy, thank you for that. My thanks to the Sheriff Salazar (ph) as well and also to Elaine R. Diaz (ph) from People magazine.

Was the New York nanny who stabbed two young children in her care to death, was she mentally ill when this happened? Her family said absolutely, but a

neighbor who saw Yoselyn Ortega with those children the very afternoon the horrific attack happened said not a chance. And she is calling BS on the

whole devil made me do it defense.

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BANFIELD: You trust them with your most precious assets. Babysitters, caregivers, full-time live-in nannies, the professionals who look after

your kids. You know you can vet them, right? You can Google them. You can interview them all you want. But in the end, you have to leave the house.

And you have to leave these people alone with your babies.

When Yoselyn Ortega did her interview to work for the Krim family in Manhattan, she never said that the devil spoke to her. She never told them

that she could be violent. And Yoselyn got the job. Amd for two years it went pretty well. Until one day, Yoselyn brought Lulu and Leo home from

dance class and then she stabbed them both to death in the family bathtub.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): They treated their sitter like family, but prosecutors say Josie Ortega slaughtered the kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Unimaginable. There is no word.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Slitting their throats in the bathroom and taking a knife to herself just as their mother walked in the door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw mom sitting on the chair, clutching her youngest child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): She has been sitting the kids for over two years, but if she is found guilty of killing them --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her screams were heard by a neighbor who alerted police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): She could spend the rest of her life sitting behind bars.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And now it`s time for her punishment to be determined. And Yoselyn is trying for an insanity defense, claiming that the devil made her

do it. But if the devil didn`t make Yoselyn do it, it sure as hell left a scene from hell, because I`m about to show you the bloody bathroom where

Yoselyn killed those children and then turned the knife on herself, somehow surviving.

I do want to warn you that the image you are about to see is very brutal. It is not for children. So steel yourself and certainly get your kids out

of the room. But I also need to remind that it is critical to see the scene because what you`re looking at is an accused murderer who is very much

alive today.

And that blood that you see all over her, all over the bathroom counter, all over the bathroom floor and all over Yoselyn`s body is also the blood

of two innocent children. And I also need to remind you what prosecutors are telling the jury. That after Yoselyn was discovered like this, she

actually said that she was angry at the couple who trusted her with those kids.

[18:40:04] Now that she is possessed by the devil, she says, she says that she was mad that she was asked to do everything in that apartment on top of

taking care of the children. That it was really a big workload looking after those kids. But again, now, she did it because she was possessed by

the devil.

I want to bring in now Maureen O`Connor, a columnist for New York Magazine`s The Cut. It is an article about this trial on newsstand right

now, and some additional daily coverage on newyorkmag.com. Maureen, the story is very intense.

MAUREEN O`CONNOR, COLUMNIST, NEW YORK MAGAZINE`S THE CUT: Yes.

BANFIELD: You see a picture like that and you think that`s a woman who killed the children and was so enraged about whatever killed herself. She

survived. But she was interviewed and her family members were interviewed. Her friends were interviewed. A lot of people were interviewed after the

fact. Really right after the fact.

O`CONNOR: Right.

BANFIELD: Did anyone ever bring up the devil or voices or insanity close this crime actually happening?

O`CONNOR: No, none of them did. In fact, the first time that any of her family members or neighbors and relatives who are now testifying for the

defense, the first time any of them talk about having about Yoselyn hearing voices or seeming to react to things that were not there such as

hallucinations were not until at least a month after the crime or later.

And they all first mentioned it to Valerie Leer-Greenberg, who is the attorney for the defense.

BANFIELD: So presumably police are immediately conducting interviews because they have a live body. She is not a dead suspect. She is a live

suspect.

O`CONNOR: Right.

BANFIELD: And that is a murder investigation that is extraordinary. It is robust. It is intense. We have two small children victims of this crime

found by their mom, right? How did that -- what happened after the murders?

O`CONNOR: So the murders were committed in the family`s bathroom. Mother Marina Krim had been texting the nanny. She was with their third child, her

daughter, Nessie. They have been elsewhere. They were supposed to meet up with Yoselyn and the other two children.

So she had been texting her. She couldn`t find them. She comes back to her home in the upper west side and she finds Yoselyn in the bathroom.

BANFIELD: In that condition.

O`CONNOR: In that condition -- she was actually standing up at the time that Marina Krim walked in.

BANFIELD: Oh, she was.

O`CONNOR: Marina says she walked in. She saw her two children in the tub death. And she said, according to her, locked eyes with the nanny and only

at that point that Yoselyn began to stab herself in the neck.

BANFIELD: And so obviously the mother would have witnessed all of this including the stabbing, you know, the suicide attempt if that is what it

was.

O`CONNOR: She saw that. She did not see her children being killed. They had been killed before she walked in.

BANFIELD: And then the mother would have seen the condition of the nanny - - her position. She wasn`t dead. She was alive and looked catatonic and wasn`t moving. Was it a near-death? Did she stab herself so badly she

nearly died or was it one of those things where they say, nice try, but that makes you look like you were just looking for an out.

O`CONNOR: Well, she definitely stabbed herself more than once in the neck. She was using a knife that was about eight inches long, I believe.

BANFIELD: Do we have a picture of it? Again, the warning that the knife is fairly bloody. There is a photograph not only in evidence of the knife and

the measurement of it. But there`s that. The picture of the knife right beside her body. That`s a blue shirt. Can we just drop the banner for a

minute so that you can see that blue shirt is covered? Is that her blood or is that the children`s blood on her shirt?

O`CONNOR: In my notes, I first wrote down navy blue and red shirt and then I realized oh, my God, it`s blue and white actually.

BANFIELD: Yes.

O`CONNOR: So --

BANFIELD: It`s hard to tell whose blood is where.

O`CONNOR: It is. It is difficult. So Yoselyn did after stabbing herself, she did manage sever and damage her vocal cords such that she could not

speak audibly. So when she initially made those initial statements to the police when she woke and she complained about Marina, she was doing that

through combination of mouthing words and (INAUDIBLE). And so the defense has of course questioned the validity or how clear the testimony would had

been.

BANFIELD: The communication was compromised in some way. I want to play if I can the Krim family. For six years, we all wondered how are they doing?

They had two children since. Two little boys named Felix and Linus and they also have Nessie. She survived because she was with Marina, the mom.

I want to play for you a video that the Krim family has released. I think it is really heartfelt considering what they have gone through. Have a

look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEVIN KRIM, FATHER OF VICTIMS: Hi, everyone. We are here to give you an update and to ask for your help. After five long years, the criminal trial

in our case is getting started. And over the next few months, the story of Lulu and Leo and our family will be painfully in the news again.

This trial will be very hard for us and for a lot of you. We feel like this community, all of you have been with us all along through this whole

experience. Even if you never met Lulu and Leo, you feel like you know them, you love them, and you`re inspired by them like we are.

[18:45:03] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): The Lulu and Leo fund is a nonprofit that supports creative education. Those inspired by my sister and

brother, LuLu and Leo, they loved being creative.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s just heartbreaking to see that, knowing what they have gone through. There was a neighbor who saw this nanny with those children right

before this happened. That is Charlotte Friedman.

O`CONNOR: Yes. Charlotte Friedman was the last person to see the children alive. She actually got into the elevator with the nanny, Leo in his

stroller, and Lulu. She chatted with Lulu, way back up to her apartment. She actually was coming down from the elevator when she heard screams.

The elevator doors opened and that`s when she saw Marina Krim who just ran out of her apartment unit, having walked in on that scene. She ran out and

was screaming. And Charlotte is one of the people who called 911.

BANFIELD: She is also one of the people calling BS on this whole devil made me do it, saying she seemed absolutely fine to all of us who lived

there with her on a regular basis. Great work and great reporting. I know it`s got to be hard --

O`CONNOR: Yes.

BANFIELD: -- to be in that courtroom everyday. So, I`m sending you strength to continue reporting on the story.

O`CONNOR: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Maureen O`Connor, thank you so much.

Hours after an Ohio mom was nearly burned alive by her ex-boyfriend, police were able to ask her questions at her bedside.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Judy, did you spill gas on yourself?

No?

Did Mike spill gas on you? Did Mike throw gas on you?

Yes? Yes.

BANFIELD (voice over): Judy Malinowski survived for two years in that kind of condition. But is Judy Malinowski, now that she is dead, going to be

able to testify from the grave? I know that sounds crazy, but it might not be. Details next.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: In life, Judy Malinowski was a working class Ohio mom with two beautiful daughters. In death, Judy Malinowski is fighting for justice and

she is not giving up. Her accused murderer, ex-boyfriend Michael Slager, doused her with gasoline, set her on fire, and said oops, it was an

accident. Judy survived for almost two years in a hospital bed and she suffered through nearly 60 surgeries.

And tonight for the first time, we can show you some cell phone video that was taped of Judy. She is being questioned by the police mere hours after

that vicious and eventually fatal attack. That cell phone video was just shown in court. And in it you are going to see Judy, able to somehow

articulate despite the horror that she had just gone through hours earlier. Who was it who was trying to kill her and who wasn`t it? Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Judy, did you spill gas on yourself?

No?

Did Mike spill gas on you? Did Mike throw gas on you?

Yes? Yes.

BANFIELD (voice over): That seems like damning evidence, doesn`t it. Sadly the judge ruled in t his hearing that the jury will not be able to see this

video because Judy Malinowski was sedated at the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The sworn testimony was recorded before Judy died and it may be admitted as evidence. Judy actually giving an interview from the hospital

bet on tape. Not an interview but a deposition. And if this were actually allowed in as evidence, it would be unprecedented. Marking the first time

in Ohio that a murder victim has been allowed to testify from the grave in her own murder case. Just think about it.

Michael Slager was sentenced to just 11 years. Just 11 years for arson and assault. Now she is dead. So now it is murder. And that murder trial is set

for this July and the prosecutors say they want the death penalty.

I want to bring in trial attorney Randy Kessler again to join me. I just wish that cell phone video could be admitted as evidence. I get it. She was

sedated. It is unreliable. But that deposition that she recorded, that Michael Slager was allowed to be in, so he was allowed to confront that

witness, doesn`t that change things?

KESSLER: It absolutely changes things. You now, it is a fascinating case unfortunately from a legal perspective. Because the bottom line is the

number one rule of evidence is, does the probative value outweigh the prejudicial value? Obviously, that picture, that scene, that video that is

on your screen right now is so prejudice (ph) to the defense that it makes you want to convict him no matter what she is saying.

So that is why that can`t come in. Even though we understand that there are exceptions to hearsay. You are allowed sometimes to let hearsay in because

you don`t have any other way to get it in.

BANFIELD: But this one doesn`t fit the exception unfortunately. I`m going to leave it there, Randy, but don`t go anywhere. I have other questions for

you coming up.

At first guy, this guy looks like a nice devout man. But if you look again, that does not appear to be the case. And I will tell you why police are

looking for him.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:00:00] BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight. Crossing yourself generally is a sign of respect to a higher power, right? Not usually what

you do before breaking one of the 10 commandments which is exactly what this guy was doing before he grabbed the big rock and then --

[19:00:02] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: One more thing for you tonight. Crossing yourself generally is a sign of respect to a higher power, right.

Not usually what you do before breaking one of the 10 Commandments which is exactly what this guy was doing before he grabbed the big rock. And then

just threw it through the door of the Brooklyn clothing shop, stealing stuff inside, and not turns out the NYPD is looking for him. And God

cannot save you now, sir. No matter what you did before you broke the window. It made for good TV.

Speaking of TV, next hour of CRIME & JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight, the bail officer who killed her own client.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? What are you doing this for, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom! You just shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she was cleared saying it was self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have never been that scared in my whole entire lie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But even she admits the video doesn`t look good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It made me look like a monster.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now she is speaking out for first time since the jury said not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You killed a man. You shot him in the back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, sir. It was in the back, but it was self- defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 16-year-old girl missing for more than a month, her parents are desperate to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you are still alive, we love you. We like you. We miss you. Please come back home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But when she has found alive, safe and sound, the story takes a deep turn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This young lady was abused with hot cooking oil being thrown on her body. She was beaten with broomsticks, choked almost to the

point of unconsciousness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did her parent do this when she refused an arranged marriage? And did she run for her life?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything exaggerate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the nanny accused of slaughtering two kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The parents trusted her to care for and protect their children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said that devil made her do it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE). It`s chronic mental illness with the history of hearing voices and disassociating from reality.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now the last person to see the kids alive says she was that first person to hear their screams.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Screams like you couldn`t imagine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As the parents of the murdered children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw mom sitting on a chair, clutching her youngest child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Turned from the trial to honor their babies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I seen the magic in the world to see the beauty in it, to be present and open to it is super important. (INAUDIBLE) our grievance

as well.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

A good bail officer gets his or her client out of jail. But one bail officer in Stillwater, Oklahoma was trying to put her client back behind

bars for fear that he was skipping town. Instead, she put him six feet under, shooting him dead in front of her teenage son in the office. And

somehow the jury let her go.

Tonight, Chastity Carey is talking about what happened in that office that very day.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHASTITY CAREY, JAIL BAIL OFFICER: I have never been that scared my whole life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You killed a man. You shot him in the back.

CAREY: No, sir. It was in the back, but it was in self-defense.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Self-defense. Chastity`s teenage son seen there to the right with the red cap, well, he just happened to be playing with a Go Pro in her

office that day. And it just happened to capture all of this video evidence that was used in the murder trial of his mom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAREY: Stand up. Hand behind your back. Turn around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What? What are do you mean?

CAREY: Turn around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s going on here? Don`t put your hands on me.

CAREY: Turn around and put your hands behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t put your hands on me.

CAREY: Turn around and put your hands behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? What are you doing this to me for? Why are you doing this?

CAREY: Hand behind your (bleep) back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you doing this to me for, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom! You just shot him.

CAREY: I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom, oh, my God!

CAREY: 911. 911! Don`t go out to that window. I just shot a man.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Prosecutors and police did not buy her story of self-defense, but a jury did. The self-defense argument work and she is now a free

woman. So we are hearing tonight from that free woman. The bail officer who could have been in prison for life, instead, now talking to "Inside

Edition." And more specifically, the senior correspondent Les Trent who is joining me live.

What an interview.

[19:05:24] LES TRENT, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT, INSIDE EDITION: You know, every time I see the video, it`s shocking.

BANFIELD: You too, right?

TRENT: Yes.

BANFIELD: I think our viewers kind of feel the same way. That we don`t get how this worked.

TRENT: Here`s what`s interesting, too. You have to realize that video was not released until the jury came back with its verdict. So people in this

small town of Stillwater which is an hour east of Oklahoma City saw this video.

One of the reason she was reluctant to speak was because she said she had been getting death threats.

BANFIELD: But you got her and you got her to sit down with you. Did you believe - did you believe her?

TRENT: No.

BANFIELD: Really?

TRENT: Well, I always try to give the benefit of the doubt, but the video really speaks volume. When she says that he tried to go for the gun but

she got there first. Look at the video. His hand is nowhere near that drawer when she goes for it. And then also, we are going to talk in a

second, right, about how close that drawer is to that window where he was when he was shot.

BANFIELD: But literally how close she is standing.

TRENT: Literally, exactly.

BANFIELD: But literally how close she was standing when she fires off the round.

TRENT: It is almost point-blank range.

Now her argument, her defense was it was self-defense. That he was going for the gun and her lawyer said that he was trying to -- she was trying to

incapacitate himself. She wasn`t try kill him.

BANFIELD: Well, she did that.

TRENT: And she says, and he said, in the evidence, she wasn`t try to kill him. It is fact that she called 911 right away. So that was their

defense.

BANFIELD: And the big thing that the lawyer said with it, look, you don`t see what`s happening off camera. And that`s reasonable doubt. That it was

for that jury.

I want to play something from your interview with her. It was a really good interview. You did a really good job. And it was fascinating to

watch her body language, face language, all the rest. But this is where she talks about when she actually got the chance to see the video herself.

Let`s have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAREY: I was in shock when I saw the video. It made me look like a monster.

TRENT: People who see that video, they have a thought. Cold-blooded killer.

CAREY: It did look that way. I got to the gun first. It was me or him. I didn`t have a choice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It`s still hard to feel that. I didn`t have a choice.

TRENT: And the police say too, the investigators said that she was the aggressor here. That there was no fight for that weapon.

And you know, I`m taken too by her demeanor. She is very matter of fact after she shoots him, and the son goes oh, my God, you shot him. And she

goes, yes, I did. And she calls 911. That sort of her demeanor was like when I was speaking to her as well. And she did acknowledge that people

looking at that video would not understand, as she says, how terrified she was and how distraught she was having to shoot him.

BANFIELD: So to that end, I want to put up some photos if I can of the - because what we are seeing right now on the screen, it`s one angle of the

Go Pro, but you can`t see the window. And you can`t see how far away the window is from the desk.

TRENT: Exactly.

BANFIELD: And that drawer --.

TRENT: It`s very close.

BANFIELD: Now look at these pictures and let`s draw this to the right hand corner of the desk. See that red-ish notebook on the corner? That`s where

she was standing, right, when she shot? See how close the window is? You could almost touch it.

TRENT: It is probably not even five feet.

BANFIELD: No. Are you kidding me? She is sitting in her chair. She could open her window, right?

TRENT: That`s true. And the police are saying as well they believe that the suspect, Brandon Williams, was halfway out that window you see when he

was shot. He was actually laying on the landing there when paramedics were tending to him.

BANFIELD: So he made it out the window.

TRENT: He made it out the window.

BANFIELD: With a gunshot in his back.

TRENT: Yes.

BANFIELD: OK. So again, if you look at the closeness of this office, right, I want to just - and Les, you are going to have to work with me here

because I didn`t cover the case. But I`m trying to put myself in the position of where were standing right now - look, and don`t move this

picture, guys. Let`s keep this picture up.

If we are standing at the spot where the photographer is standing, right, and this is the point where they were having their altercation, trying to

put the cuffs on him, he makes a break for the window, right?

TRENT: Right.

BANFIELD: The kid still is in the room with mom.

TRENT: Yes.

BANFIELD: And mom, the bail bondsman, then rushes into that small space to the right of the desk, comes around it, opens the drawer.

TRENT: The drawer just left of the chair.

BANFIELD: She within a foot and a half.

TRENT: Exactly.

BANFIELD: You can see of this side.

TRENT: And again, the police are saying that he is midway out that windows.

BANFIELD: But she is scared, she said.

TRENT: Yes.

BANFIELD: She is scared and yet she has rushed into the small space with the guy who is scaring her.

TRENT: I know. It defied logic. I think the reason, though, is that the jury found her not guilty. This is the speculation, is that the prosecution

overcharged. They charged her with first degree murder. She was facing life in prison. The jury said they did not want to send her to jail for

life. Had she been charged with manslaughter, for instance, she would probably have been convicted. She probably, the lawyers says, would have

taken a 10-year plea deal.

[19:10:10] BANFIELD: Do you also think that the fact that that victim in this case is not your typical, and is a victim, it`s a guy like Brandon

Williams, you know, who has a bail bondsman and you know.

(CROSSTALK)

TRENT: I mean, this is still sort of a petty thief.

BANFIELD: Yes.

TRENT: He was --.

BANFIELD: But do you think he wasn`t sympathetic enough?

TRENT: That is possible. We didn`t even hear about the fact that he had an ex-wife or an estrange wife and a child until after the fact. So

perhaps there was an attempt not to.

BANFIELD: The jury had to know he had some issues with the law.

TRENT: No, yes. They absolutely.

BANFIELD: Standby. Don`t go anywhere. I want to bring in a conversation here, Jarrod Stevenson. He represented Chastity Carey.

Jarrod, can you hear me?

JARROD STEVENSON, CHASTITY CAREY`S CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes.

BANFIELD: OK. So one of the things that people are so astounded about is the demeanor of your client, Chastity. On the tape, she is, like les just

said, she is so matter of fact. She is methodical about going to the drawer, getting the gun, turning around and shooting. And it`s all within

a second. And then, immediately saying yes, I did. I just shot him and calling the police. Usually, that is something that the juries don`t like.

But in this case, did you see something in the jury that the prosecutors didn`t?

STEVENSON: Well, I mean, what we are not seeing (INAUDIBLE) previous ones in her interview is roughly 23 minutes after the shooting. The 911 call

comes at 11:40. And she is already giving her statement at 12:03. So in over 23 minutes, she has processed the scene, taking to replace partner

(ph) and read her rights and all that and then she gives her statement. Her demeanor throughout that interview is much more emotional. And it is

very roller coaster crying and everything -- that`s after she said that it really settles with here that. She had to take his life for fear of her

and her son. That it really kind of set in but that time, her mama bear instinct really took over. And it was shoot whenever she has to.

BANFIELD: The moment there, OK. I`m glad you said that. The mam bear instinct for me would be I want my kid out of here now. If there is a guy

within a foot of me who is scary. But that`s not what she did. And I`m really glad you talked about the demeanor in that interview just, you know,

shortly after the shooting with the officers.

Because she gives an account of saying this guy just flipped out. And what I have asked my producers to do is have her account where she methodically

says what happened moment to moment. And I put it beside the video of what happened moment to moment. So I want to play that and I`m going to ask you

about it on the other side. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAREY: It`s like it popped up and flipped out and shoved him. And like what shoving me and I don`t even know how he got the gun and how I had the

gun. I just know, I pulled the trigger. He started hollering at me and shot me. He freaked out. Put his hands up, want shove, want to cut them,

want to kick in and I don`t know how we ended up behind the desk. I really don`t.

He could have shot my kid. He shoved him. He shoved me. (INAUDIBLE) like he was going to hit me, (INAUDIBLE) and I was trying to calm him down. I`m

like we are just going to talk. We ended up behind the desk like shoving me and grabbing. And the next thing I know, I have got the gun in my hand

and I pulled the trigger. About the time I pulled the trigger, he is going out the window and screaming that I shot him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So I mean, Jarrod, it doesn`t look like that. I know you don`t have that video in front of you that my audience is just looking at, but

the way she recounted what happened in that office was not what was on the video which leads me in say I`m not so sure I believe what happened off

video either.

STEVENSON: I understand that. I mean, one of the things that came out during the direct examination of (INAUDIBLE) was, you know, law

enforcement, when there are involve an officer to led at shooting, they are given 24 hours to process and to think about it and talk to a union rep

before they ever ask to give a statement in order to kind of deal of that trauma so they can try to recall the details clear. And she was not given

that opportunity. So it was (INAUDIBLE) testified that really not surprising that some of those details were different because she still

processed.

BANFIELD: They are hugely, hugely different. I mean, they were way out. You should be able to say what happened this right after it happens and not

be so far off.

Hold that thought for a minute.

Ten seconds left, Les. What`s next for Chastity?

TRENT: Chastity would like to be a bail bondsman again. So she wants to get back into business.

BANFIELD: Wow, seriously. She is a tough cookie that one. She want go back into the fire.

TRENT: Go back into it.

BANFIELD: My goodness. Well, I can`t tell you how much I appreciate all of this.

Les, thank you for that.

TRENT: My pleasure.

BANFIELD: Love your show. Love you on the show.

[19:15:01] TRENT: You too.

BANFIELD: Love that you are Canadian. My thanks also to Jarrod Stevenson. And my thanks always to Randy Kessler who does a great job on the program

as well.

Allegations of horrifying attacks on a 16-year-old girl by her parents. Police say they beat her, they poured hot oil on her, all because she

didn`t want to marry the man they picked out for her.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:20:31] BANFIELD: When teen girls go missing, their parents get worried sick. And unfortunately, that is an unusual story on our show. But it is

unusual story when the parents start to seem more like the villains than the victims of a family tragedy.

A 16-year-old (INAUDIBLE) was missing for more than a month and a half. Last seen leaving her high school in San Antonio. And while investigators

followed every single lead they could to find her, even loops in the FBI to navigate her family`s cultural barrier, (INAUDIBLE) dad made a public plea.

And (INAUDIBLE) dad suggested the worst may have happened to his only daughter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My daughter, if she got kidnapped or she - somebody take her. Something is wrong. If you are still alive. We love you. We

like you. We miss you. Please come back home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Well, investigators starred hearing some stories that made it seem like (INAUDIBLE) may have actually left home on her own. It made it

seem like maybe she was not taken. Like instead, maybe she took off. And a month and a half into their questioning, investigators dropped a

bombshell. They had already found her. And she has been taken in by an organization charged with keeping her safe. Because (INAUDIBLE) started

telling some stories, too. That she had been beaten by her parents because she refused to marry the grown man that her parents had promised her to.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF JAVIER SALAZAR, BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: It became pretty obvious very early on that this wasn`t a regular missing person`s case. It

was reported to us that this young lady was abused with hot cooking oil being thrown on her body. She was beaten with broomsticks at least at one

point. She was choked almost to the point of unconsciousness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It turns out that (INAUDIBLE) parents had already been paid allegedly $20,000 for their 16-year-old daughter`s hand in marriage, money

that they were going to use for court fees if they ever see that money at all. Because they have been arrest and charged with something called

continuous violence of a family member. And it is a felony, yes. And her father, well, sure as seemed to be singing a different tune when he was

being arrested.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything is exaggerated. Everything that, you know, my daughter she is saying, it is not true. My daughter she wanted just go

to the wrong way. She need to go to drugs, maybe. They have friend, bad friend.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Drugs, bad friend. That doesn`t sound like kidnapping, does it?

I want to bring in "People" magazine`s staff writer Elaine Aradillas.

Elaine, the story is very complicated. At first, the parents seem devastated that someone may have stolen their child. And then they became

defensive that they never did anything to hurt her. And then all of the sudden, that very strange little moment while the dad is being arrested,

that she might have been going drugs or with bad friends. What do we know about the real story behind this?

ELAINE ARADILLAS, PEOPLE STAFF WRITER (on the phone): I mean, you know, what had happened, she disappeared from her high school. So clearly,

people around her knew she disappeared. And I think, you know, and you would expect parents to go on television and plead for help to find them.

BANFIELD: Yes. But then it got weird, right? It got weird.

ARADILLAS: Exactly.

BANFIELD: I mean, there is all this this help us find our daughter. We think she has been kidnapped. But then the police start suggesting, even

before they found her, Elaine, this is what is weird. Even before they found this young 16-year-old girl, (INAUDIBLE), they started suggesting

that they are learning she may have been abused by a family member. Do you have any idea where they were hearing it? Because if they didn`t have her

to tell the math, someone had to be telling the police that (INAUDIBLE) have been in trouble with her family and had been suffering at their hands.

ARADILLAS: Well, apparently, I mean, to the affidavit, the affidavit even reports that they interviewed witnesses who said that she repeatedly talked

about the abuse that she was suffering. So it doesn`t sound like this was a complete secret and she had plenty of scars to show people. The abuse

that had allegedly taken place against her.

[19:25:003 BANFIELD: And all of it because she was not interested at 16 in marrying a man who almost 30, who allegedly paid $20,000 to marry this

child?

ARADILLAS: Well, and actually, she was 15 when the abuse started. The 15- year-old girl basically, they are turning her into a child bride, you know. I mean, this is a nearly 30-year-old man that they are trying to get her --

.

BANFIELD: This is happening in America, too. I want to be clear. But I think that there are different cultural values elsewhere in the world where

maybe that happens and maybe they don`t get prosecuted for it, but this was happening here. And this is an American family, correct?

ARADILLAS: That`s correct. I mean, the family came from Iraq, but where they are living, she went to Taft high school in San Antonio, Texas. I`m

from San Antonio. I know this area very well. It is middle class American neighborhood like anything you would see across the country.

BANFIELD: The poor kid. I mean, odd, 16 years old to be mired in any of this if it`s true.

Listen, the dad had this to say in the middle of it all. And I`m always fascinated to see videotape before an arrest, to hear what people have to

say as they are continuing their narrative. (INAUDIBLE) has gone somewhere. Dad been here as the police saying, well, we are now hearing

that (INAUDIBLE) may have been abuse by a family member. And this is what dad had to say to that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please help me. Every time we go to her room, she cries. This now the truth. Nobody abuse my daughter. He never touch her.

He never go to her room. She never going to, well, he living in the Dallas. I have nothing to hide. I`m not scared about this, OK. My

daughter and this guy, we hope those two to build family. After when my daughter is missing, I called the guy and told him everything canceled.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Oh, my God. He is admitting to it, it seems, on tape, right. I called the guy and said this is not such a good idea, this $20,000 sale of

my daughter for her hand in marriage.

I want to bring in Bexar County sheriff Javier Salazar to sort of sort through these details.

First and foremost, thank you for taking the time to speak with us, sheriff.

SALAZAR (on the phone): Yes, ma`am: Can you tell me what kind of information you found in terms of what was happening to (INAUDIBLE) in the

home? What are the allegations? What kind of abuse was she suffering?

SALAZAR: It is heartbreaking. Quite honestly, you know, she did come up missing. But it was not a normal missing person`s case very early on. We

started hearing allegations of ongoing abuse, then we start hearing about this forced marriage. Not an arranged marriage, make no mistake, this was

a forced marriage. And you know, it became pretty apparent that this was not a regular missing person`s case. This young lady either found her life

so unbearable, that she had no other choice but to venture out into the world or something more sinister that happened and I will just kind of

leave it at that.

BANFIELD: So to those charge, sheriff, that`s critical because as I look at the arrest affidavit, there is, I think one of the trigger moment was

the dad allegedly found some pictures on Snap Chat that maybe (INAUDIBLE) had a Snap Chat account he didn`t like that he used a sweeper broom handle

on her.

SALAZAR: Yes.

BANFIELD: That there is some allegations as well of hot oil. Specifically, what happened to her? What kind of abuse?

SALAZAR: Well, we know about that broom handle that was used on her. It was metal. And my understanding is that a piece of it was jagged and it

made a cut on her. And when she was taken to the emergency room, she was told to tell the story that she cut herself while cutting a watermelon and

that was how she explained away that injury.

At one point, she describes being in the kitchen with her mom again, trying to talk to her about this marriage arrangement and she refused and the

mother threw hot cooking grease or oil on her and caused her some burns on her hand and both on her legs. And then another time, she describes being

pinned down sand and (INAUDIBLE), you know, strangled to the point where she was almost unconscious. And each time she describes that the only way

that she could put an end to that abuse at that given point in time was to acquiesce and agree to marry this guy.

BANFIELD: So about that guy and the $20,000 alleged deal, are you any further on that investigation? Do you know who he is? Have you caught

him? Because in my book, he is as guilty if he is trying to buy a child.

SALAZAR: Absolutely. We know who he is. My understanding is that our partners and the FBI in the local Dallas area have spoken to him. I don`t

know much about the details about what took place in that interview with the FBI, but sure, I wouldn`t rule out the fact that he may be facing other

charges in connection to this.

BANFIELD: And that`s the Dallas jurisdiction. It is important to note that. That he is apparently in the Dallas jurisdiction so he is not your

caller if he in fact he ends up mired in some kind of legal over this.

Real quickly, sheriff, hold on for a moment. I want to bring in Randy Kessler, defense attorney on this one. I`m trying to figure out what the

charges here. I mean, you can`t just sell your kids for marriage. Culturally, it doesn`t exist here. So what`s the actual charge? Could

they charge them with more?

RANDY KESSLER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, there is a crime of selling your child for marriage, but there`s also -- there`s assault, there`s a battery,

the hot oil, the beating. There`s all the --

BANFIELD: And those are continuous violence of the family, I`m wondering about the other garbage, selling your child for 20,000 to the -- to the

best bidder. What`s that charge?

KESSLER: It`s like -- it`s like trafficking, it`s like prostitution, it`s like selling a minor child. There are special laws to protect them, there

are some stuff like this and there`s a Federal law against it. And there`s probably local state law as well. They`re going to be five or six or seven

charges coming don against them especially since there was corroboration. It`s not the daughter`s word against theirs. Apparently there were other

witnesses that were telling the same story.

BANFIELD: Yes. That stuff does not work here. It may work elsewhere, but that stuff doesn`t work here. And it`s astounding that someone even tried

but, Randy, thank you for that. My thanks to the Sheriff Salazar as well. And also to Elaine Aradillas from People Magazine. Was the New York nanny

who stabbed two young children in her care to death, was she mentally ill when this happened? Her family says, absolutely but a neighbor who saw

Yoselyn Ortega with those children the very afternoon, the horrific attack happened says not a chance and she`s calling B.S. on the whole devil-made-

me-do-it defense.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:36:51] BANFIELD: You trust them with your most precious assets. Babysitters, caregivers, full-time live-in nannies. The professionals who

look after your kids. You know, you can vet them, right? You can google them, you can interview them all you want, but in the end, you have to

leave the house and you have to leave these people alone with your babies. When Yoselyn Ortega did her interview to work for the Krim family in

Manhattan, she never said that the devil spoke to her, she never told them that she could be violent and Yoselyn got the job. And for two years it

went pretty well. Until one day, Yoselyn brought Lulu and Leo home from dance class and then she stabbed them both to death in the family bathtub.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They treated their sitter like family but prosecutor says Jose Ortega slaughtered the kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Unimaginable. There`s no word.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Slitting their throats in the bathroom and taking a knife to herself just as their mother walked in the door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw mom sitting on a chair clutching her youngest child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s been sitting the kids for over two years. But if she`s found guilty of killing them --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The screams were heard by a neighbor who alerted police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She could spend the rest of her life sitting behind bars.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And now it`s time for her punishment to be determined. And Yoselyn is trying for an insanity defense claiming that the devil made her

do it. But if the devil didn`t make Yoselyn do it, it sure as hell left a scene from hell because I`m about to show you the bloody bathroom where

Yoselyn killed those children and then turned the knife on herself. Somehow surviving. I do want to warn you that the image you`re about to

see is very brutal. It is not for children. So steal yourself and certainly get your kids out of the room. But I also need to remind you

that it is critical to see the scene because what you`re looking at is an accused murderer who is very much alive today and that blood that you see

all over her, all over the path bathroom counter, all over the bathroom floor and all over Jocelyn`s body is also the blood of two innocent

children. And I also need to remind you what prosecutors are telling the jury that after Yoselyn was discovered like this, she actually said she was

angry at the couple who trusted her with those kids. Now that she`s possessed by the devil she said, she says she was mad that she was asked to

do everything in that apartment on top of taking care of the children that it was a really a big workload looking after those kids. But again, now,

she did it because she was possessed by the devil.

I want to bring in now Maureen O`Connor, a columnist for New York`s -- for New York Magazine`s The Cut. There is an article about this trial on

newsstands right now and some additional daily coverage on new- york- mag.com. More in the story is very intense.

MAUREEN O`CONNOR, COLUMNIST, NEW YORK MAGAZINE`S THE CUT: Yes.

BANFIELD: You see a picture like and you think that`s a woman who killed the children and was so enraged about whatever, killed herself.

[19:40:04] She survived. But she was interview and her family members were interviewed, her friends were interviewed. A lot of people were

interviewed after the fact. Really right after the fact.

O`CONNOR: Right.

BANFIELD: Did anyone ever bring up the devil or voices or insanity close to this crime actually happening?

O`CONNOR: No, none of them did. In fact, the first time that any of her family members or neighbors and relatives who are now testifying for the

defense, the first time any of them talked about having -- about Yoselyn hearing voices or seeming to react to things that were not there such as

hallucinations, we`re not until at least the month after the crime or later. And they all first mentioned it to Valerie Van Leer-Greenberg who

is the attorney for the defense.

BANFIELD: So -- I mean, presumably police are immediately conducting interviews because they have a live body. She is not a dead suspect. She

is a live suspect. And that is a murder investigation that is extraordinarily That`s a verdict investigation that is extraordinary. It

is robust and intense. We have two small children, victims of this crime found by their mom, right?

O`CONNOR: Yes.

BANFIELD: How did that -- what happened after the murders?

O`CONNOR: So murders were committed in the family`s bathroom. And mother Marina Krim had been texting the nanny, she was with her third child, her

daughter Nessie, they had been elsewhere, there were supposed to meet up with Yoselyn and the other two children. So she`s been texting her, she

couldn`t find them, she says, where are you? And she comes back to her home in the upper left side and she finds Yoselyn and -- in the bathroom --

BANFIELD: In that condition.

O`CONNOR: In that condition -- or she was actually standing up at the time that Marina Krim walked in.

BANFIELD: Oh, she was?

O`CONNOR: Marina said she walked in, she walked in, she saw her two children stacked in the tub, dead. An she said -- according to her, locked

eyes with the nanny and only at that point did Yoselyn began to stab herself in the neck.

BANFIELD: And so obviously the mother would have witnessed all of this including the stabbing, you know, the suicide attempt if that`s what it

was.

O`CONNOR: She saw that. She did not see her children being killed. They had been killed before she walked in.

BANFIELD: And then the mother would have seen the condition of the nanny. Well, her position, you know, she wasn`t dead, she was alive and looked

catatonic and wasn`t moving. Was it a -- was it a near death that she stabbed herself so badly, she nearly died or was it one of those things

where they say nice try but that makes you look like you are just looking for an out?

O`CONNOR: Well, she definitely stabbed herself more than once in the neck, she was a knife that was eight inches long I believe.

BANFIELD: Just leave a picture of it if we can. Again, the warning that the knife is fairly bloody, there`s a photograph not only an evidence of

the knife and the measurement of it but there`s that, the picture of the knife right beside her body and that`s a blue shirt. Can we just drop the

banner for a minute so that you can see that blue shirt? It`s covered and I don`t know, is that her blood or is that the children`s blood on her

shirt?

O`CONNOR: The (INAUDIBLE) first wrote down navy blue and red and then I realize, oh my god, it`s blue and white actually.

BANFIELD: Yes.

O`CONNOR: So --

BANFIELD: It`s hard to tell, right? Whose blood is where?

O`CONNOR: It is. It is difficult. So Yoselyn did after stabbing herself. She did manage to severe and damage her vocal chords such that she could

not speak audibly. So when she initially made those initial statements to the police when she woke up and she complained about Marina, she was doing

that through a combination of mouthing words and pointing an alphabet board. And so the defense has of course questioned the validity or how

clear those testimony would have been.

BANFIELD: This communication was compromised in some way. I want to play if I can the Krim family, you know, for six years, this happened and we`ve

all wondered how are they doing? They`ve had two children since. Two little boys named Felix and Linus and they also have Nessie, she survived

because she was with Marina, the mom. So I`m going to play for you a video that the Krim family has released. I think it`s really heartfelt

considering what they`ve gone through. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEVIN KRIM, FATHER OF LUCIA AND LEO KRIM: Hi, everyone. We`re here to give you an update and to ask for your help. After five long years, the

criminal trial in our case is getting started. And over the next few months, the story of Lulu and Leo and our whole family will be painfully in

the news again. This trial will be very hard for us and for a lot of you. We feel like this community, all of you have been with us all along through

this whole experience. Even if you never met Lulu and Leo, you feel like you know them, you love them and you`re inspired by them like we are.

NESSIE KRIM, SISTERS OF LUCIA AND LEO KRIM: The Lulu and Leo Fund is a non-profit that supports creative education. It is inspired by my sister

and brother, Lulu and Leo. They loved being creative.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: All right. It`s just heartbreaking to see that knowing what they have gone through. There is a neighbor who saw this nanny with those

children before -- right before this happened. Charlotte Friedman.

O`CONNOR: Yes. So Charlotte Friedman was the person to see the children alive. She actually gone into the elevator with the nanny, Leo in his

stroller and Lulu, she chatted with Lulu, went back up to her apartment and she actually was coming down from the elevator when she heard screams. The

elevator door is open and that`s when she saw Marina Krim who had just run out of her apartment having walked in on that scene. She ran out and was

screaming. And Charlotte is one of the people who called 911.

[19:45:03] BANFIELD: And she`s also one of the people calling B.S. on this whole devil made me do it, saying she seemed absolutely fine to all of us

who live there with her on a regular basis. Great work, great reporting. I know it`s going to be hard being in the courtroom every day. So, I`m

sending you strength to continue reporting on the story.

O`CONNOR: Thank you.

BANFIELD: Maureen O`Connor, thank you so much. Hours after an Ohio mom was nearly burned alive by her ex-boyfriend, police were able to ask her

questions at her bedside.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you spill gas on yourself? No? Did Mike spill gas on you? Did Mike throw gas on you? Yes. Yes?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Judy Malinowski survived for two years in that kind of condition. But is Judy Malinowski, now that she`s dead going to be able to

testify from the grave? I know that sounds crazy, but it might not be. Details next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:50:56] BANFIELD: In life, Judy Malinowski was a working class Ohio mom with two beautiful daughters. In death, Judy Malinowski is fighting for

justice and she`s not giving up. Her accused murderer, ex-boyfriend, Michael Slager, douse her with gasoline, set her on fire and then said,

oops, it was an accident. Judy survived for almost two years in a hospital bed and she suffered through nearly 60 surgeries and tonight for the first

time, we can show you some cell phone video that was taped of Judy. She`s being questioned by the police near hours after that vicious and eventually

fatal attack. And that cell phone video was just shown in court. And in it, you`re going to see Judy, able to somehow articulate, despite the

horror that she had just gone through hours earlier. Who was it who was trying to kill her? And who wasn`t it? Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you spill gas on yourself? No? Did Mike spill gas on you? Did Mike throw gas on you? Yes? Yes?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That seems like pretty damning evidence, doesn`t it? Sadly, the judge ruled in this hearing that the jury will not be able to see this

video because Judy Malinowski was sedated at the time. But sworn testimony was recorded before Judy died and it may be admitted as evidence. Judy

actually giving an interview from the hospital bed on tape, not on interview, but a deposition. And if this were actually allowed in as

evidence, it would be unprecedented marking the first time in Ohio that a murder victim has been allowed to testify from the grave in her own murder

case. Just think about it. Michael Slager was sentenced to 11 years, just 11 years for arson and assault. But now she`s dead so now it`s murder and

that murder trial is set for this July and the prosecutors say they want the death penalty. I want to bring in Trial Attorney Randy Kessler again

to join me. I just wish that cell phone video could be admitted as evidence, I get, we used the data, it`s unreliable, but that deposition

that she recorded that Mike Sleigher was allowed to be in, so he was allowed to confront that witness, doesn`t that change things?

KESSLER: It absolutely changes things. And you know, it`s a fascinating case, unfortunately, from a legal perspective because the bottom line is

the number one rule of evidence is does the probative value outweigh the prejudicial value? And obviously that picture, that scene, that video on

your screen right now is so prejudicial to the defense that it makes you want to convict them no matter who what she`s saying. So that`s why it

can`t come in. Even though we understand that there are exceptions to hearsay. You know, you are allowed sometimes to let hearsay in because you

don`t have any other way to get it in.

BANFIELD: But this one doesn`t fit the exception unfortunately. We`re going to leave it there, Randy. But don`t go anywhere. I have other

questions for you coming up. At first glance, this kind of looks like a nice devout man but if you look again, that does not appear to be the case.

And I`ll tell you why police are looking for him.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:59:20] BANFIELD: One more thing for you tonight, you probably all have heard of the 10 commandments, specifically that one that says thou shalt

not steal. Looks like this guy knows a thing or two about that. Only after he crossed himself like a good religious boy, he grabbed a big old

rock and then proceeded to do what we`re commanded not to do. Shattered the glass door of a Brooklyn clothing shop and then grabbed as much as he

could possibly carry in those two arms. Thou shalt not steal, fellow. NYPD is looking for you and they`re probably not going to show a whole lot

of mercy because you`re on video. Thanks for watching, everybody. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. We`ll see you right back here tomorrow night 6:00

Eastern for CRIME & JUSTICE.

[20:00:03] In the meantime, "FORENSIC FILES" starts right now.

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