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CRIME AND JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

AC Repairman Kills Dad Of Seven On Job; Missing Man Killed, Cops Eyeing Ex-Girlfriend; Missing Coed`s Fitbit And Social Media Used For Search; Naked Woman Steals And Flees With Deputy`s Truck; Dump Truck Slams Overhead Sign. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired July 26, 2018 - 18:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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[18:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just so much she hasn`t taught me and won`t be able to teach me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Frank Pineda shot and killed his wife and kids. And Police finding a trail of blood leading them to him on the ground in his

garage. Family member say the repairman who pulled the trigger was helping some neighbors with their car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know how many servicemen go to somebody`s house with a gun.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brandon Chicklis, his family sat in a courtroom to face the woman accused of killing him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: the medical attendants say there are numerous wounds and ruled that the death was a homicide. The victim`s blood was present on

the stairs leading to the treehouse. On the inside of the treehouse, and in the defendant`s vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Mollie Tibbetts is expanding. Forensics experts have requested access to all Mollie`s social media

accounts, including the fit bit she was wearing when she went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re treating it right now, as if it was criminal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa Luna reportedly was naked and stole an MCS vehicle. Lina claims her cousin poisoned her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I felt like I was -- I want to say, possessed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But this is the third explanation she is offered about her bizarre and suspected criminal behavior.

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JOEY JACKSON, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE GUEST SHOW HOST: A pleasant good evening, everyone. I`m Joey Jackson, and this is "Crime and Justice." You

know, summer temps have been scorching around the country. In Arizona, it has been over 100 degrees, and that is where 41-year-old Frank Pineda died

this week. He is a father of seven and he was indeed in an air conditioner. But rank did not die from the heat. Police say his handyman

shot him, the guy he hired to install the ac.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know how many servicemen go to somebody`s house with a gun.

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JACKSON: But Robert Moore told the cops that he needed that gun, saying Frank suddenly attacked him, punching him repeatedly in the face after

demanding that he return half of his pay. Now, Moore says that he shot Frank in self-defense. That is who you see there, adding that he feared

for his life, but cops say there are problems with his story. Like the fact that he had no bruises from that apparent violent attack. You see him

right there.

So joining me now, David Mack, he is a Syndicated talk show host. Fernando Pineda, he is the brother of the victim in the story. And Randy Sutton, he

is a retired police lieutenant. And defense attorney and author of the code, Parag Shah.

And so let`s get right into it. David Mack, let`s talk about this. Nothing about this particular story makes sense to me. Apparently there`s

a handyman who is making the claim of self-defense. There was no indication of any types of violence or any struggle or you know, any noise

prior to this occurring. The gunshot was in a place, from my understanding, to the back of the head. That may be improper or wrong.

Correct me if I am. And just set this up and tell me whether the claims he is asserting, that is the handy man make any sense at all.

DAVID MACK, SYNDICATED TALK SHOW HOST: This handy man is telling a story like a 6-year-old would tell. He couldn`t even keep it straight, Joey,

from the standpoint of saying that he was being beat on the right side of his face or the left side. And then complaining about the opposite side.

Everything about Moore`s story is bogus. Every bit of it.

At 26 years old, the man is an accomplished liar and not a very good one, but the bottom line, we have absolutely no motive. His story doesn`t make

any sense whatsoever. And I agree with one of the family members. What kind of handyman shows up at your house packing heat in his front pocket?

JACKSON: That is so true, Dave. And so tell me, because, you know, as we would imagine, the story not making sense, he was hit in the right jaw, the

left, it`s self-defense, but he is the one that called 911, correct?

MACK: Yes, he did. He walked away from the scene, he called it down the street, and he calls 911. And that is how he had time to concoct his

story. He claims that he apparently was paid $200 for the job, but Mr. Pineda wanted demanded half the money back and then he started accosting

him. And he said he was left with no choice, but to shoot him.

Couple of problems here, Joey, the man was shot in the back of the head. According to Moore himself, at close range. Well, the police found none of

the evidence that would indicate that he was shot at close range in the back of the head, no stippling, nothing like that. And of course they

waited a couple days, taking pictures of Mr. Moore the day of this event, and then they waited a couple of days, because sometimes bruises due come

out later. Well, they didn`t. And you can see from the pictures, this guy hadn`t been in a fight, but on top of that, Mr. Pineda, he has no markings

on his hands at all like he had done anything, according to what Mr. Moore is claiming.

JACKSON: You know, Dave Mack. That is the interesting thing. Because people can say any story, but the evidence, when it contradicts it, it

becomes problematic. Now we have his brother here, who I want to get to, Fernando Pineda, I`d like to speak to you if I can. Before I do and

obviously we`re very, very sorry for your loss, all of us here at "Crime and Justice." I want to, though, because he had some words to say in court.

[18:05:13] FERNANDO PINEDA, BROTHER OF VICTIM FRANK PINEDA: Thank you.

JACKSON: Of course. We`re here and we pray for you. He had some words to say in court that I`d like you to listen to, and after we play what he is

saying and has said to the Judge, we want to get your response, or your take, on his defense. Listen to this.

PINEDA: No problem.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Moore`s account was that he shot the victim in self-defense, because the victim was on top of him. There was absolutely

no blood from a gunshot wound to the head found on Mr. Moore.

ROBERT MOORE, SUSPECT: There was some on my arm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Moore?

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JACKSON: Yes. So this is what we talked about before, Fernando with regard to the lack of evidence. And now just before getting your response,

I want you to hear what he actually said to the Judge in court concerning how he had to defend himself.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there anything you would like me to know at this time only about the decision on release conditions and what the bond would

be?

MOORE: I`ve never done anything wrong in my life, ma`am. I`m a law- abiding citizen. I will not go anywhere. I just want to get to work where I can pay for a lawyer to save my life. From saving my life. I saved it,

now you guys are trying to ruin it for me. I saved my life. Like I was in fear for my life. And I saved it. Now you guys are ruining it for me,

ruining this life I saved. That is all I want to say.

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JACKSON: So Fernando, he kills your brother, but it`s all about him, and he had to save his life and the evidence seems to contradict that. What

say you as to what actually happened here?

PINEDA: Well, first off, I`d like to make something -- clear up something. We found out now the truth that he was shot in the head, in the forehead

above his right eye. So that kind a changes the whole scenario even more. Because of the fact that he faced him and from a distance shot him.

JACKSON: Can I ask you, Fernando, I`m sorry to interrupt. I just want to clarify what you`re saying. So the initial reports were the back of the

head. Now we know that it was the front of the head and the forehead. You mentioned something about shooting him from a distance. Do you have any

indication how far that distance was?

PINEDA: I`m not sure. I`m just going basically on the reports from the detective.

JACKSON: Yes.

PINEDA: And second off, he was right about one thing. He thought he had saved his life by leaving my brother there on the ground bleeding to death.

And thinking that he could get away with it because he thought my brother was just a nobody and he could put this idea together and get away with it,

that he is a repairman and it was self-defense. That is what he means when I just saved my life and now you guys are ruining it. That is what he

means.

JACKSON: Sure. Now, Fernando, did you have any dealings with this handyman prior to this? Do you know if your brother did any dealings with

him?

PINEDA: We had no clue who he was or where he came from. Later after the fact, around the neighborhood, the rumors start flying that he was well

known around the neighborhood as a drug addict. And that he frequent, you know, people that lived out by where we were, you know, often. So they all

knew who this guy was. You know, the idea of him having a gun was because of all the people that he had burned in the past that had it out for him.

This is all coming out now, but what I want people to understand is that my brother was a fun-loving, happy-go -- he -- no way -- he had a few pounds

on this guy.

JACKSON: Right.

PINEDA: If for any reason my brother hit him once, twice, three times, they would have been taking my brother to jail. My brother in the

hospital, I held his hand and I looked, because I wanted to see if there was some struggle or something, his hands were perfect. Perfect.

JACKSON: Fernando, what`s your theory as to what happened here that led to your brother being senselessly killed?

PINEDA: My brother`s trade was an electrician. OK? My brother didn`t know about how to fix -- it was a unique type of ac unit. What we believe

and what we think happened is, he helped him do it. He helped him installing and drilling the holes in the -- he was helping this guy do this

job. OK?

JACKSON: Yes.

PINEDA: We think, as he was outside around the house, putting holes in the wall, we think that -- or in the house maybe, he was in the house. Because

the garage was set up for his father-in-law. So

[18:10:00] Frank might have been coming out of the house into the garage and caught him going through his father-in-law`s stuff. At that point, my

brother, yes, he probably was on his way to destroy this man.

JACKSON: OK.

PINEDA: He got caught. And shot him.

JACKSON: So you think he caught him in the act of potentially rummaging through --

PINEDA: That is the only thing that could make any sense. That is the only thing. I mean, it`s senseless regardless, but that is the clearest

picture we have right now.

JACKSON: And Fernando, if you could just tell us, how are his children? We understand that he had seven children, is that correct?

PINEDA: Yes. And his children are tore apart. Their dad was their world. He was -- his children were his world. His wife, he loved her. Everything

that he was accomplishing to this point was for his family. And nobody ever thought that he wouldn`t be here anymore. So everybody`s just in

shock. People that know him, friends, people that we don`t even know have been reaching out to us. He was loved. And he loved people.

JACKSON: Fernando Pineda, you`re very brave to be here. I`m going to come back to you momentarily, because I want to ask you about your most

favorable memory of your brother in addition to the legacy he leaves. But let me come back to you momentarily. I just want to pivot to the defense

attorney, we have here. That is Parag Shah, he is the author of the code. Because I want to get into what in any defenses there might be. Good to

have you on the program.

PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Thank you.

JACKSON: What viable defenses do you see for him? Of course, you know, that he is asserting, Parag, that this was some type of self-defense. It

seems to be contradictory to what the evidence indicates. What say you?

SHAH: Well, let me first start by saying that I agree with the brother, since he mentioned the drugs, that this possibly was a crime of

opportunity, but because the self-defense story is so crazy, the only defense I can think of is sometime of delusional compulsion. Basically

what that means is, that if you`re having a delusion where someone is attacking you, and in that delusion you act in self-defense, then that is

essentially a type of insanity plea that can basically alleviate you from being convicted of a crime.

Now if they go into his history as no mental health history and they do an evaluation, and he doesn`t have a delusional compulsion defense, then

unfortunately you have to ride with the defense he gave you. And that is why we always say, you have the right to remain silent. Stay silent.

Because in my cases, sometimes when they tell a story, sometimes you have to ride that story to trial and most likely you could be convicted from it.

JACKSON: And therein lies the problem. I want to get to you, Randy Sutton, regarding the evidence, if you could just briefly let us know, I

mean, the evidence points one way, and his defense points to another. How do you think that helps the prosecution`s case?

RANDY SUTTON, RETIRED LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN POLICE OFFICER: Well, this is a classic case of an investigative response to a claim of self-defense.

The law enforcement are doing forensic evidence. They`re looking at the ballistics. They`re looking at the -- all of the physical evidence along

with what this guy`s claim is. His claim doesn`t make any sense.

So just on the face of it, you understand that law enforcement probably from the very outset didn`t believe him, but there`s a tremendous amount of

evidence that will help convict him. And included in that is not only did they find the weapon that he used, but they also found narcotics when they

did the search warrant. They found all kinds of contradictory stuff. And this is, I think -- I agree with Fernando. I think that was probably a

crime of opportunity.

JACKSON: Indeed. Now, Fernando Pineda, let me end it with you. Fernando, can you just in one word or two, just tell us, what is the best legacy your

brother leaves?

PINEDA: You know, he showed us all how to treat each other with love and respect towards each other. Didn`t matter who you were, or what your

circumstances was, he made a friend with everybody he met. And he was just going to school, he wanted to be in behavioral health. He wanted to help

others, you know, with problems and situations and kids. I mean, he was doing all the right things. And he left huge boots to fill.

JACKSON: Again, Fernando, we pray for you, we pray for your family. You`re very brave to be here. God bless you and may justice be achieved in

this particular case.

PINEDA: Thank you very much. And I appreciate all your help. Thank you.

JACKSON: Indeed.

OK, as we move forward, just days before his 21st birthday, Brandon Chicklis` body was found and that was on the side of a New Hampshire road

and that was by a local jogger.

[18:15:04] After police arrested a former classmate of Chicklis, the big question is why. We`ll try to get an answer to that question. That is

next. Don`t go anywhere.

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JACKSON: Over a month after a young man in Massachusetts was reported missing, a former classmate has been charged with his murder. A jogger who

found the body on a far-stretch of highway in New Hampshire, well, that is where Brandon Chicklis was supposed to be visiting his family, but Brandon

never made it to the house.

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JOSEPH EARLY JR. WORCESTER COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: On June 23rd, Brandon Chicklis left his home in Westminster, Massachusetts. On June 24th, his

family members reported him as missing. On June 29th, his car was discovered in the parking lot of the (inaudible) supermarket on route 202

in Rindge, New Hampshire. On July 10th, his body was found on the side of 119 in Rindge, about six miles from the supermarket. It is believed that

Mr. Chicklis would have turned 21 years old today, was killed in (inaudible) and his body taken to New Hampshire left by the side of route

119.

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JACKSON: Now police say that Julia Enright is the one who left him there, who local reports say that, well, that is his ex-girlfriend. And even

though they firmly remain friends, cops say that Julia killed Brandon at her family home before driving his body over to New Hampshire. While Julia

said he simply took off after they spent the day hanging out at his house, Brandon`s blood, amazingly was found all over her property. Joining us

now, John DePetro, radio talk show host, Randy Sutton, retired police lieutenant is back, as well as defense attorney and author of the code,

Parag Shah. So let me start with this. Let me go right to you, John DePetro, set us up here. What on earth is going on? We heard the district

attorney lay out the timeline. We have the timeline that will let our viewers see. Take us through the story.

JOHN DEPETRO, NEW ENGLAND RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: You know, Joey, this is another -- it`s a bizarre story in the timeline and some of the comments

made by Julia just don`t add up. What was seemingly supposed to be a late, one-week, father`s day reunion, where Brandon was going to head to New

Hampshire to spend time with his family, he never showed up. The next day they reported that he was missing. Suddenly, June 29th, his car is found

in a supermarket in New Hampshire and then of course, we heard that a jogger then found the body. Julia has some explaining to do, because

number one, the first place, the last place that his phone was heard was at her house. They have a beautiful 36-acre estate about an hour from where

he was going in New Hampshire.

Secondly, she said she spent the day with him drinking. She said they never went into this treehouse. There`s a treehouse on the property.

Well, there`s problems, because, number one, blood was found in the treehouse. Number two, Brandon`s blood was found in her car. And none of

it seems to make sense. What`s also so terrible about this, is we don`t have a motive. We don`t know exactly what the murder weapon was. All we

know, Brandon was found dead.

Her comments and statements to authorities have not panned out that way. And also, they had to use dental records to identify this young man. It`s

horrendous, what seemingly was just two friends getting together before he was off to see his dad for a late father`s day, results in him disappearing

and then his body being found murdered.

JACKSON: You know, John, as you took us through that, we were looking at a full screen. And there was a map. And in that map, it talked about the

different -- we`ll put it back up now -- you see that on June 23rd, the victim`s last known location, apparently that is also the time where the

last cell phone rang. You know, there was no indication after that of any use of the cell phone. Then we have June 29th showing on the map there.

That is where the car is found. Then of course, July 10th, the victim`s body is found. I want to go to Randy Sutton now. Randy, I want to get

into some cell phone issues. We actually have a sound that I`d like you to hear and then I want your reaction to it that talks about the cellphone as

we get into the actual evidence in this case. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Denies the allegation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is not fair to me. I`m not commenting on anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not the killer?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shove off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not the killer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Wow. That was his actual defense attorney. We have another sound bite. As we have that and as we`re queueing up the sound bite that

I`d like you to get to, Randy Sutton, let me turn to you, since we played the soundbite now, Parag Shah. You know, look, I was always taught never

miss an opportunity to persuade. Now, often times the media, perhaps we can be annoying, but that seemingly Parag, would be an opportunity for him

to assert the innocence of his client, talk about how perhaps the officers rushed to judgment in focusing on his client. Interesting route he took,

however, to tell the media to off shove off. A route you would take?

[18:25:07: SHAH: No. Any time you can put your theory to case out there, you should do that, because jury`s are out there listening and they are

going to be the ones deciding this case. And all he had to say was, the evidence connects blood to a location. There is no evidence linking her to

him. There`s no connection to the crime. All they have is blood. At the very most, the only evidence they really have is that she may have been an

accessory after the fact if something happened in the treehouse and she moved the body.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

SHAH: They have no evidence. They have zero evidence that she committed a crime.

JACKSON: Parag, I`m with you on that one. You know, look, whenever there`s an opportunity, as you mentioned, to get your theory out there,

there`s a potential jury pool that could be listening, and you telling the media just to shove off, I think, is a wasted opportunity. So I think we

have the sound bite of Joseph Early. Randy, in asking you the question, just in terms of the evidence, in looking and evaluating the particular

evidence in the case, Parag talked about the blood. And the fact that there was only blood. However, the blood certainly is found at the

treehouse. And it looked like there was some kind of cover-up, as it relates to cleaning up that treehouse. How`s that explained?

SUTTON: Right. There was blood found in the treehouse. There was also blood found in her car. There was carpet that had been removed apparently

and a new carpet installed. So you`re looking at a pretty strong circumstantial case of covering up. This is where forensic evidence is so

vital, but what we don`t know and this is -- this will have to come out. What were the statements that she made to law enforcement when this was at

first a missing persons and then it became a homicide, what were the statements that she made in relation to her conduct and them getting

together?

When there are conflicting statements or lies that can be shown, then those are the building blocks of a strong case. Now, when you talked about how

he was identified through dental records. That tells me either serious blunt force trauma or a serious gunshot wound to the head which would

distort the face. So that tells me that there was a lot of violence here. Was she capable of doing it? I think there`s more than one person involved

in this case.

JACKSON: Always about the evidence, Randy. So finally we have the sound bite that I wanted you to hear, relating to the cell phone records. Let`s

take a listen to that and let us talk about it thereafter.

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EARLY JR.: Mr. Chicklis` cell phone records placed him at 171 Packard Hill road in Ashburn, Massachusetts on June 23rd. Several search warrants were

executed at that address and evidence was gathered. After conducting several interviews, state police assigned to the Worcester county district

attorney`s office and the Ashburn police, arrested Julia Enright, 21 years old, of 171 Packard Hill Road in Ashburn and charged her with Mr. Chicklis`

murder.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Parag Shah, how do you overcome that?

SHAH: Well, the cellphone record -- there`s no dispute that he was there. She even said it in her statement that they hung out that day. Again,

nothing linking her to his crime. Only link is to him being at the location and blood. If anything, like I said before, all they have a case

here is for is accessory after the fact, covering it up. They have no proof or shown any proof. And those cell phone records definitely don`t

prove that she committed a crime.

JACKSON: OK, they may not, but you have, but in any case, obviously Parag, it`s not only one thing, it`s a compilation of things, right? So, now you

have a treehouse, it looks like it was clean up, you have blood there, she apparently based on her job deals in blood, there is blood all over the

place, why clean the matter up.

SHAH: She is scared! There`s a dead body in her place. I mean, and she didn`t kill him.

JACKSON: She didn`t kill him, but she is scared and therefor wants to cover up everything. Put him down on the treehouse, put blood in the car.

Let me let you listen to more about the medical examiner and the observations there. Take a listen to this.

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TERRY MCLAUGHLIN, WORCESTER COUNTY ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY: The New Hampshire medical examiner observed numerous wounds and ruled the death was

a homicide. She also stated they had spent the day together at her residence. She indicated that they had been drinking alcohol and that the

victim in that case had left to purchase narcotics, but never returned. It was determined that the victim`s blood was present on the stairs leading to

the treehouse. On the inside of the treehouse. Under the treehouse. And in the defendant`s vehicle. When the blood was removed, it appeared the

blood had seeped down through the floorboards of the treehouse down underneath.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So Randy Sutton, us, lawyers have a thing called circumstantial evidence that investigators like you gather and put together that make for

a compelling case. What say you as to this evidence that was just talked about by the district attorney?

[18:30:04]

SUTTON: Oh, there`s a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence. You and I both know that plenty of convictions for murder had been obtained on

circumstantial evidence alone.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

SUTTON: You know, we have -- we have a limited amount of knowledge, though, about her statements, and these are going to be very critical when

it comes down to making the determination to charge her with the murder. As I said, from what we`re hearing, there was a great deal of violence done

here.

And I don`t know the physical characteristics. If he was capable of doing this by herself or if there was more than one person involved. Remember

that a body was left out. Their car was dropped off at another location, six miles away from the house. That tells me that there`s more than one

person involved here.

JACKSON: Yeah. Well, they`ll get to the bottom of it and that`s why there are trials and that`s why there are defense attorneys, right? And so

ultimately we`ll see that justice is done. Both of you, stand by pretty please. We need you for segments to come.

Now, the search for Mollie Tibbetts, she is the Ohio college student who disappeared on an evening run. You see her there. It`s now stretching into

its eighth day. But will data gleaned from her Fitbit account be the lead that police are looking for to break this case? That`s next. Don`t go

anywhere.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: Tonight, the urgent search for a college student who disappeared while she was dog-sitting for her boyfriend. That`s 20-year-old Mollie

Tibbetts. She vanished over a week ago after she went for an evening jog. You see her there and you see where it was, Brooklyn, Iowa. When she didn`t

show up to camp the next day where Mollie worked as a camp counsellor, her boyfriend, well, he sounded the alarm.

Now, the FBI is on the search for the notoriously friendly young lady. And after searching every property in the area, officials now say they`re

getting data from her Fitbit and they`re trying to use that to track down exactly where she might be.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MITCH MORTVEDT, ASISITANT DIRECTOR, IOWA DIVISION OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION: It tracks so many things about you, about the user. And

that`s what we are hoping to glean from any type of information from any of these social media apps.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So joining me now, we have "Crime & Justice" reporter and producer Michael Christian. Laura Calderwood, she is Mollie Tibbetts`

mother, pleased to have her here of course and Mitch Mortvedt. He`s the assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Division

and defense attorney and author of "The Code" Parag Shah. He is back. Michael, let me start with you. Take us through this particular case. How

close are they?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, PRODUCER, CRIME & JUSTICE: They`re just really not particularly close, Joey. We just don`t know what happened to this woman.

She just kind of vanished into thin air. It was a week ago yesterday, July 18th. She was, as you heard, babysitting for her boyfriend`s dog. He was

out of town working. She went out for a jog that was common to do for her. She ran a lot. She went out, was seen in jogging clothes, running, and just

vanished into thin air.

JACKSON: That`s tough. Mitch Mortvedt, you are the assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, could you tell us what`s

happening? We understand that there are a number of FBI investigators who are working this case. We understand that there are volunteers in the

community who are gracious enough to work the case. What efforts and resources are being deployed to find out where Mollie may be?

MORTVEDT: Starting on the local level with the Poweshiek County Sheriff`s Office, the agency I`m with, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation,

the FBI, it`s very cooperative effort. There`s probably a point in time 35 to 40 -- 45 law enforcement investigators and officials. They are working

this and just going through evidence or going through information from the social media apps, from the Fitbit, cell phone records, interviews by

witnesses that saw Mollie running that evening and the areas that we knew which was in as she was exercising at night.

And we are combing those areas. We`ve had information come in that led us to search other areas out and around this community unfortunately, with no

success. But we`re still going to take that information and use that information.

JACKSON: So are there leads coming in aplenty? How is that going with regard to the leads that are coming? And is there any area or areas in

particular that the FBI and local law enforcement are focused on?

MORTVEDT: We are still getting some information in from the community or from the public. You know, the family has done a phenomenal job of getting

the word out and spreading posters in various communities across the state of Iowa and of course social media has also helped with that effort. We are

concentrating on different avenues and areas that she exercised on or exercised in and around and it`s just been a group effort.

[18:40:08] The information that we are going through now, that analyst are going through now is more of the electronic data that we`re getting from

the social media apps, from Fitbit, you know, Google, e-mail accounts, cell phone records. And as we`re getting through that, that`s generating more

investigative leads for us.

JACKSON: And with regard to the Fitbit, what evidence from that are you hoping to gather that would lead you closer to where Mollie might be?

MORTVEDT: You know, generally speaking, since this is an ongoing investigation, we can`t, you know, I`m not at liberty to discuss the

particulars of it. But these types of devices, so many people -- most of us are familiar with, the types of things that they monitor and the types of

things that they (inaudible) they track, which is location. You know, everything from heart rate to walking to (inaudible) starts walking,

running, time of day.

It`s all that type of information that we hope we can fit together along with the eyewitness accounts and (inaudible). Our timeline is to where

Mollie was and what she was doing at the time of her disappearance.

JACKSON: Absolutely. We hope you get that. I want to bring in Laura Calderwood. She of course is the mother of Mollie. You know, obviously we

pray and hope that she`s brought back and she`s safe and sound. When`s the last time you spoke with your daughter?

LAURA CALDERWOOD, MOTHER OF MISSING COLLEGE STUDENT (via telephone): I saw her the day prior, the 17th and was texting with her. I didn`t see her the

day of the disappearance but my communication was via text.

JACKSON: And Laura, just with regard to when she went jogging, was there a particular route that she would follow? I know she was at her boyfriend`s

house. I`m sure if wasn`t her first time there. Was there a particular area that she used to go jogging in?

CALDERWOOD (via telephone): I mean, it was through the community of Brooklyn, but from what I`m seeing, she changed her route.

JACKSON: And have you had an opportunity to speak with any of her friends or any of her associates or anyone else who might give you a sense of what

she was doing, where she was at, and where she potentially could be?

CALDERWOOD (via telephone): This DCI investigator can tell you, I mean, no one -- no one really knows anything. We know that she`s, you know, not off

on, you know, she`s -- she`s out there either, you know, potentially abducted because she is not one to just leave and not let people know where

she`s going, that I`m sure of.

JACKSON: And would she -- so she would let you know what she was doing, where she was going. The fact that she didn`t come back to her job,

obviously that caused a major concern, right?

CALDERWOOD (via telephone): That was a major concern. And that`s within 40 minutes of us finding out that she had not gone to her work, which entailed

20 minutes of me driving back from Grinnell. I had called 911 to report her as missing. I mean, I knew she would not -- not go to her job and let

someone know why.

JACKSON: And Laura Calderwood, of course, we`re speaking to the mom of Mollie. Is there any particular plea you would like to make to the

community now that you have this opportunity?

CALDERWOOD (via telephone): Well, I just want to thank everyone involved that has donated so much of their time and efforts and you know, of course,

anyone who has any information that can lead us to Mollie. It is so important to us. And the best way to do that is through the sheriff`s

hotline number which is the Poweshiek County sheriff hotline which is being manned 24 hours so, there is always someone there to get that tip.

JACKSON: Thank you, Laura. And we have that number. It is 641-623-5679. Again, that tip number is 641-623-5679. Laura Calderwood, we appreciate

you. Mitch Mortvedt, keep working so that we can bring her home safe and sound.

Now, we`ve seen some car -- we`ve seen car chases and plenty of stories of auto thefts on this show. But few stick out more than this one. Now, this

is Lisa Luna, she is near Phoenix, Arizona, but she is stealing a police car last January. And guess what, she was naked. There`s a new angle to

this story and we are going to tell you what that is. That`s next. Don`t go anywhere.

[18:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: So, when you`re a police officer, it`s moment to moment on the job. About 60 miles southwest of Phoenix, a deputy lived that first hand. A

woman named Lisa Luna, who you just saw, was walking in the nude and approached Deputy Francisco Campilo at the Maricopa County sheriff`s

office.

[18:50:00] Now, she told him that she had been sexually assaulted, a claim that she later recanted. Now the deputy tried to be helpful, pulls a

blanket from the back of the truck and when he returned, guess what? He finds Luna in the driver`s seat of the car.

Now, the next thing you know, she`s taking off with the deputy clinging to the pickup. She makes a quick u-turn and eventually the deputy falls to the

street. Now, she ends up leading police on a 70, yes, 70-mile chase, and later she says, I`m sorry.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LISA LUNA, STOLE A DEPUTY POLICE CAR: I don`t know what it was that I had gotten from her, but it put me on another trip. Like I felt like I was,

like I want to say possessed. I remember fainting a lot. I remember like a lot of yelling, commotion, like a lot of blurry in and out. If anybody was

hurt, you know what, I apologize. You know, I had no control over what was going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Joining us now, Randy Sutton, retired police lieutenant and defense attorney and author of "The Code," Parag Shaw. So I have to ask

you, Randy, anything like this ever happen to you?

SUTTON: Well, yes, as a matter of fact, I have had similar occurrences. Nobody ever stole my patrol car, thank heavens. But, you know, this -- what

happens in the heat of the moment, when he was clinging to the car, he was trying to get her out of the car. But this is where a lot of law

enforcement officers get hurt. And it`s better to let them have the damn car and catch them later.

JACKSON: Absolutely. Craziness that occurs. So Parag Shah, I have to ask you, she got 27 months in prison. There was a plea deal, little over two

years. Right result?

PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, similar to what Rick James would say, meth is a hell of a drug. And with that and the fact that she had mental

health issues, she got a great deal. This was a great result and hopefully she`s on the road to recovery.

JACKSON: Yeah, you can only hope so. I mean, the reality in cases like this is that, you know, the mind is a very tough thing to lose and when you

add drugs to the equation, it makes it a little tougher here. I guess the good news, I think we could all say, Randy Sutton and Parag Shah, is that

the deputy was okay and hopefully she`ll be okay and we will live happily ever after, but a crazy story indeed. So, stick right there, guys. Thanks

for your input.

Now, some of you I imagine steer clear of big trucks on the highway because of situations just like this. Now the dirt on this video, well, that`s

next.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: So, every week we honor an every day person who is doing extraordinary things to work to help others. And we find these amazing

people through your nominations. Now, earlier this year, we recognized Dr. Rob Gore, he`s an emergency room physician, doing anti-violence work here

in Brooklyn, New York. Now, meet the woman who helped turn him into a CNN Hero.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I nominated Dr. Gore to be a CNN Hero because we grew up together, and then I saw that he was doing all of this wonderful

community work. I`m very familiar with CNN Heroes. I`m a fan of the show. And as I was volunteering here, I said to myself, wait a second, CNN

Heroes, Dr. Gore, perfect match, and here we are. I`m so proud of my friend, to see him excel in this way and show the world what he does. So

surreal, so exciting, so rewarding.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now go to CNN Heroes to watch the full story or nominate someone you think should be a CNN Hero.

Great story. Now, "One More Thing," you can only imagine that shock and surprise for drivers on a south Florida highway when a dump truck`s box

slams into an overhead sign. Take a look at this. Now the collision was caught on dash cam by a witness named Hans Schnoor (ph) during morning rush

hour.

Now, workers shut down part of the highway as they inspected the sign. The Florida highway patrol reportedly says that the truck`s hydraulic system

wasn`t working properly. You think? Amazing video. Love to watch that.

The next hour of "Crime & Justice" starts right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A mom charged in connection with the death of her baby son. Hannah Barker called 911 and said that her baby had been kidnapped.

But when they responded to reports of a fire, police found the 6-month-old burned nearly to death a mile from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brandon Chiklis` family sat in the courtroom to face the woman accused of killing him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New Hampshire medical examiner observed numerous wounds and ruled that the death was a homicide. The victim`s blood was present on

the stairs leading to the treehouse, on the inside of the treehouse, and the defendant`s vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Mollie Tibbetts is expanding. Forensics experts have requested access to all of Mollie`s social media

accounts, including the Fitbit she was wearing when she went missing.

[19:00:06] MORTVEDT: We`re treating it right now as if it is criminal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa Luna reportedly was naked and stole an MCS vehicle. Luna claims her cousin poisoned her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I felt like I was like I was in possessed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But this is the third explanation she has offered about her bizarre and suspected criminal behavior.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JOEY JACKSON, HLN HOST: A pleasant good evening, everyone. I`m Joey Jackson.

And this is the second hour of CRIME & JUSTICE.

Now, we begin with a truly disturbing story out of Louisiana. That`s where investigators are trying to figure out how a baby ended up burned and alone

at a fire near the railroad tracks. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kanika Johnson lives on Breida avenue, off Texas avenue Natchitoches.

KANIKA JOHNSON, CALLED 911: I thought some kids had set it on fire. And I had called the police station and I told them to please hurry up, because

the bushes was on fire and it looked like it was spreading.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When police got there, they found an infant child in the brush, with severe burns to the body, the same bay reported missing

just an hour a mile-and-a-half away.

JOHNSON: It made me feel scared. I couldn`t sleep last night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And police are still searching for answers to this case while the neighborhood is hoping something like this won`t happen again.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JACKSON: Now that 6-month-old baby boy would eventually die from his injuries. And tonight, we want to know what everyone else does. And

that`s who exactly is responsible. Because little Levi`s mom talked to police earlier that night, pinning the blame onto strangers. But now

Hannah Barker is behind bars for allegedly playing a role in that murder herself. And police say more people could end up in handcuffs.

Joining me now, Matt Doyle, assistant news director with the Louisiana radio network, Randy Sutton, retired police lieutenant, Dr. William

Morrone, he is the medical examiner, forensic pathologist and toxicologist, and Parag Shah, he is defense attorney and author of "the Code."

You know, so much about this story doesn`t make sense. It just doesn`t add up. You have a baby that ultimately, you know, is burned. We see the

beautiful boy there. And so let`s just sort this out.

Matt Doyle, let`s go to you. Try to make sense of this story for me and for the viewers, please.

MATT DOYLE, ASSISTANT NEWS DIRECTOR, LOUISIANA RADIO NETWORK (on the phone): Well, the timeline that we are working with is that on July 17th

around 9:00, police received a call from Baker, the child`s mother, who said that there had been a home invasion, that her child was missing.

About an hour later, the child would end up found about a mile or two farther away with extensive burns, was later pronounced dead at the

hospital.

Now, we talked to Natchitoches police the next day who told us the mother`s version of events. She says she was alone with her child in their home in

the May Berry trailer park. Heard some loud knocks at the door. When she opened it, she was sprayed with mace. She said she then retreated out and

then away from the trailer. When she returned her child was gone. But we now have reason to suspect that story may not have been true, as 22-year-

old Hannah Baker`s been charged with principle to first-degree murder in the death of her child.

JACKSON: You know, Matt, what I`m not understanding, though, is how and why. What motivation would a mother have to see their child burned, you

know, alive. Why would she have given this child up voluntarily? Why would the police charge her to begin with, if her indication is that

intruders are the ones who did it. It just doesn`t make sense to me.

DOYLE: Well, at this point, authorities are being really tight-lipped about the whole situation. They have been since the start. It`s been

something between Natchitoches police and the state fire marshal`s office. Because there has been another arrest involved in this particular case,

there was an associate of Baker`s, Felicia Marina Cole-Smith, who was initially charged with first-degree murder. Then Baker was charged. They

haven`t given out any reasons for it, because they say it`s an ongoing investigation and we shouldn`t be surprised if there are more arrests

involved in the case.

JACKSON: Yes. I would suspect not.

Now, I just want to go to Dr. William Morrone to just sort of unpack some of the science here. Doc, if I could just ask you, the no smoke in the

lungs, first of all, and I have a series of questions to you, but beginning with that, what is that an indication of?

DR. WILLIAM MARRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER/FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: IF there`s no smoke in the lungs of a child or an adult that`s been through a fire, it

means that baby or an adult has been either beaten into unconsciousness or was too sick to breathe. And there`s no air exchange. Otherwise, a live

baby or a live adult breathing in a burning environment singes the inner airways and then you find soot. So you know whether or not a baby was

conscious or alive looking at the inside of the lungs when it`s involved in a fire.

[19:05:09] JACKSON: And if there`s smoke or char in the lungs, what is that an indication of?

MARRONE: That`s an indication that a fire was started and that was a very active and cognizant child. That that`s a very bad thing.

JACKSON: And Doctor, the bruising on the body which would show up after embalming, medically what does that point to?

MARRONE: What we know is that bruises that happened when a baby is alive or vital and it`s a very dynamic process. Blood comes to the skin. But if

a child is beaten close to a time that it dies, and there is not enough functions, sometimes the chemistry of embalming brings those bruises out.

And that would mean there much fresher bruises where as the bruises that you would see on a child that are purple are older. And any baby involved

in this kind of autopsy is going to get a whole body x-ray, radiography from head to toe because they are going to be looking for freshers.

JACKSON: Sure. And before I get to the defense of it, before I get to the investigative part of it, doc, I just want to stick to you a couple more

things. Just in terms of the hemorrhaging, if you look at the hemorrhaging in the eyes, for example, what does that point to?

MARRONE: If a child is choked or strangulated, the superficial blood vessels are how blood returns to the heart. And when you constrict them,

the inner blood vessels central to the body still pump blood to the head and to the eyes and to the face. And then that blood can`t return because

it`s being choked. So therefore eyes and certain parts of the face hemorrhage and they have a very specific name. They are called petechiae,

and that`s an absolute sign that a child was strangulated or choked.

JACKSON: Amazing stuff. And just attacking a couple other issues here, with regard to DNA which we know is very compelling, Randy Sutton will

agree with that, Parag Shah will agree with that as well. There`s a fire, would that destroy DNA?

MARRONE: A fire would destroy the DNA on the clothes. A fire would destroy DNA on the skin. So the important thing is to find some part of

the body, and if there`s a stranger`s DNA, then that opens up the list of people. It`s very complicated, though. Because mother`s DNA is going to

be on a baby all the time. If there`s nobody else`s DNA, then there was nobody else there.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

Dr. Morrone, I would use you as an expert witness in any case. Great work. Stand by. I`ll get back to you momentarily.

MARRONE: Thank you.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

So Parag, let me go to you, Parag Shah, author of "the Code," defense attorney.

Look, best defense here. A lot about this case doesn`t make sense to me. The mother we know is being charged. Some other woman is being charged.

They have no motivation so far as I can get or understand. What`s going on here and what would be the defense`s play?

PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, right now, the defense is, she didn`t do it, because we just don`t have enough information. There`s nothing to

doubt her story, because she is presumed innocent until proven guilty. So we can`t doubt her story.

All I can imagine is they have a cooperating witness. The other woman that has been charged maybe talking there. May be something going on behind the

scenes. Maybe even Hannah Baker herself is talking behind the scenes because to give up these other people, so she can try to save herself. I

mean, there are a lot of moving parts here, we just don`t have enough information to make a determination. But right now, it`s, I didn`t do it.

JACKSON: So, you know, Randy Sutton, in terms of the no information or not enough information, which I would agree with, with Parag Shah here, what

are investigators going to do to make sure that they have adequate information not only to build the case but to ensure that they have success

in it?

RANDY SUTTON, RETIRED POLICE LIEUTENANT: Well, keep in mind that she was charged. That means that probable cause existed present a magistrate to

actually make the arrest. So we just don`t that have information. Law enforcement is being extremely tight-lipped on this.

But what I can`t fathom is the cruelty, the method of killing this baby, setting this baby on fire is inhuman. And the fact that two people have

been arrested shows that there was some type of collusion taking place between them. And that`s even more frightening that more than one person

would be capable of such a despicable, horrendous, murder.

[19:10:03] JACKSON: Without question, Randy Sutton.

But back to that, and I go back to you, Parag, on this issue. You know two people here, but what would the mother`s motivation be? I`m not getting or

understanding, and I know probable cause needs to exist for a magistrate or judge to swear out a warrant to issue an arrest. But I mean, what

motivation would there be for a mother to want to see her baby burned alive a mile down the road?

SHAH: I can`t think of any motivation, except for maybe there`s something going on with her mentally. But you know, maybe we should look at this

from a different perspective. Maybe this doesn`t have anything to do with the baby. Maybe the baby was a consequence of something else going on

between her and this other lady or some other situation that`s happening that`s something that we don`t even know about, and the baby was a

consequence of actions that she took with this other woman.

JACKSON: Now Parag, I agree with that which foregoes my trouble here. And if she is, you know, if what you say is true, then, again, why charge the

mother? I just want to play a sound bite and then we will talk about the sound bite coming out of it. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAPT. CHRISTOPHER PAYNE, NATCHITOCHES POLICE DEPARTMENT: Around 9:00, 10:00 p.m., I received a 911 call stating that subject had attempted to

gain entry into a residence. A female subject answered the door. Upon her return, apparently the child or infant child was missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: And so again, Parag, I mean, what does that give us that would allow the mother to be charged? I would imagine that a defense attorney

like you and me, I mean, would kind a have a field day with respect to why she`s in custody.

SHAH: I agree completely with you. And all I can think of is, you know, that she is some type of party to the crime or they are trying to do some

type of felony murder, that there`s some other felony that was occurring at the time that they have evidence of. And the baby is the consequences of

it, therefore it`s a felony murder or party to a crime type of legal theory that they are trying to do possibly.

JACKSON: Without question.

Matt Doyle, if you are still with us, what`s next in the case? How far along are we? When are the next court dates? What`s happening here?

DOYLE: Well, actually, just to respond to what was just said, we got a chance to talk to the state fire marshal. They say it wasn`t a random act,

but they suspect at this time that the alleged criminal partnership between the two was limited two the murder. But moving forward into the future, in

the next day or so, we are going to be having a hearing. She has been booked into the Natchitoches detention center.

JACKSON: What if any relationship existed as between these two defendants?

DOYLE: Well, they said those two were definitely -- knew each other, but at this point, they are being pretty tight-lipped about exactly the nature

of that relationship.

JACKSON: And Dr. Morrone, if I could go back to you, with respect to the actual medical evidence, when you examine the medical evidence, would there

have been an x-ray done on the body of the child? And if so, what if any information would be gleaned from that?

MARRONE: There are two really important things you`re going to get from a whole body x-ray. You are going to get old fractures, and you are figure

to get new fractures. If there`s just some new fractures, you could say, that happened in the final assault. If they have old fractures, then

you`re looking at compounding evidence for child abuse in addition to homicide.

JACKSON: And that`s why there would be an actual full body x-ray that will be needed in this particular case?

MARRONE: Absolutely.

JACKSON: Got it.

MARRONE: Absolutely, 100 percent.

JACKSON: We appreciate that, Dr. Morrone.

Randy Sutton, real quickly to you, what`s the biggest piece of evidence here that would point to the mother`s involvement?

SUTTON: Well, there`s going to be the forensic evidence that we don`t know anything about. And in regards to the story about the two home invaders,

my guess is that that`s going to turn out to be nothing but a crock and in order to point the direction elsewhere.

JACKSON: Well, you know, interestingly enough, to our defense attorney, Parag Shah, inconsistent statements are often problematic. How would you

explain away a mom if she`s innocent perhaps giving information that is faulty and simply untrue, and what we know to be inconsistent?

SHAH: Well, obviously inconsistent statements hurt a lot. And we would first have to determine where the inconsistency is coming from. Is it

coming from this other co-defendant? Is it coming from forensics? Where is the inconsistency coming from? Until we know that, that`s how we would

challenge it.

JACKSON: Indeed we will.

Parag shah, we appreciate you. Dr. William Morrone, our medical examiner, forensic pathologist, you as well, Randy Sutton, you know, thanks for

joining us.

Everyone obviously is entitled to a defense and everyone is innocent until proven guilty. We need to remind you of that. At this point, they are

simply charged.

Now just days before his 21st birthday, Brandon Chiklis` body was found on the side of road by a jogger. After police arrested a former classmate of

Chiklis`, the question, the major question that question everyone wants to know is why. But we are going to try to get that answer for you. We are

going to try to get it to you. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:20:35] JACKSON: Over a month after a young man in Massachusetts was reported missing, a former classmate has been charged with his murder. A

jogger who was the one who found the body on a far stretch of highway in New Hampshire, that`s where Brandon Chiklis was supposed to be visiting his

family, but Brandon never made it to the house.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPH EARLY JR., WORCESTER COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: On June 23rd, Brandon Chiklis left his home in Westminster, Massachusetts. On June 24th,

his family members reported him as missing. On June 29th, his car was discovered in the parking lot of the (INAUDIBLE) supermarket on route 202

in Rindge, New Hampshire. On July 10th, his body was found on the side of 119 in Rindge. About six miles from the supermarket.

It is believed that Mr. Chiklis would have turned 21 years old today, was killed in (INAUDIBLE). His body taken to New Hampshire left by the side of

route 119.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now police say that Julia Enright is the one who left him there, who local reports they say that, well, that is his ex-girlfriend. And even

though they reportedly remained friends, cops say that Julia killed Brandon at her family home before driving his body over to New Hampshire. And

while Julia says he simply took off after they spent the day hanging out at his house, Brandon`s blood, amazingly, was found all over her property.

Joining us now, John DePetro, New England radio talk show host. Randy Sutton, retired police lieutenant is back, as well as defense attorney and

author of "the code," Parag Shah.

So let me start with this. Let me go right to you, John DePetro. Set us up here. What on earth is going on? We heard the district attorney lay

out the timeline. We have a timeline that will led our viewers see. Take us through the story.

JOHN DEPETRO, NEW ENGLAND RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: You know, Joey, this is another -- it`s a bizarre story in the timeline and some of the comments

made by Julia just don`t add up.

What was seemingly supposed to be a late, one-week, father`s day reunion, where Brandon was going to head to New Hampshire to spend time with his

family, he never showed up. The next day they reported that he was missing. Suddenly, June 29th, his car is found in a supermarket in New

Hampshire and then we heard that a jogger then found the body.

Now Julia has some explaining to do, because number one, the first place, the last place that his phone was heard was at her house. They have a

beautiful 36-acre estate about an hour from where he was going in New Hampshire.

Secondly, she said she spent the day with him drinking. She said they never went into this treehouse. There`s a treehouse on the property.

Well, there`s problems because, number one, blood was found in the treehouse. Number two, Brandon`s blood was found in her car. And none of

it seems to make sense.

What`s also so terrible about this is we don`t have a motive. We don`t know exactly what the murder weapon was. All we know, Brandon was found

dead. Her comments and statements to authorities have not panned out that way. And also, they had to use dental records to identify this young man.

It`s horrendous, what seemingly was just two friends getting together before he was off to see his dad for a late father`s day, results in him

disappearing and then his body being found murdered.

JACKSON: You know, John, as you took us through that, we were looking at a full screen. And there was a map. And in that map, it talked about the

different -- we`ll put it back up now -- you see that on June 23rd, the victim`s last known location, apparently that`s also the time where the

last cell phone rang. You know, there was no indication after that of any use of the cell phone. Then we have June 29th showing on the map there,

that is where the car is found. Then of course, July 10th, the victim`s body is found.

I want to go to Randy Sutton now. And Randy, I want to get into some cell phone issues. We actually have a sound that I would like you to hear and

then I want your reaction to it that talks about the cell phone as we get into the actual evidence in this case. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Denies the allegation. That`s not fair to me. I`m not commenting on anything. She`s not the killer? Shove off.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Wow. That was his actual defense attorney.

We have another sound bite. You know, as we have that and as we are queueing up the sound bite that I would like you to get to, Randy Sutton,

let me turn to you since we played the sound bite now, Parag Shah.

You know, look. I was always taught never miss an opportunity to persuade. Now, you know, often times the media, perhaps we can be annoying, but that

seemingly, Parag, would be an opportunity for him to assert the innocence of his client, talk about how perhaps the officers rushed to judgment in

focusing on his client. Interesting route he took, however, to tell the media to shove off. A route you would take?

[19:25:21] SHAH: No. Any time you have a chance to put your theory of the case out there, you should do that because jurors are out there listening

and they are going to be the ones deciding this case. All he had to say was, the evidence connects blood to a location. There`s no evidence

linking her to him. There`s no connection to the crime. All they have is blood. At the very most, the only evidence they really have is that she

may have been an accessory after the fact if something happened in the treehouse and she moved the body.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

SHAH: They have no evidence. They have zero evidence that she committed a crime.

JACKSON: Parag, I`m with you on that one. You know, look, whenever there`s an opportunity, as you mentioned, to get your theory out there,

there`s a potential jury pool that could be listening, and you telling the media just to shove off, I think, is a wasted opportunity.

So I think we have the sound bite of Joseph Early.

Randy, in asking you the question, just in terms of the evidence, in looking and evaluating the particular evidence in the case, Parag, talked

about the blood. And the fact that there was only blood. However, the blood certainly is found at the treehouse. And it looked like there was

some kind of cover-up, as it relates to cleaning up that treehouse. How`s that explained?

SUTTON: Right. There was blood found in the treehouse. There was also blood found in her car. There was carpet that had been removed apparently

and a new carpet installed. So you are looking at a pretty strong circumstantial case of covering up.

This is where forensic evidence is so vital. But what we don`t know and this is -- this will have to come out is what were the statements that she

made to law enforcement when this was at first a missing persons and then it became a homicide? What were the statements that she made in relation

to her conduct and them getting together?

When there are conflicting statements or lies that can be shown, then, you are building -- those are the building blocks of a strong case. You talked

about how he was identified through dental records. That tells me either serious blunt force trauma or a serious gunshot wound to the head which

would distort the face. So that tells me that there was a lot of violence here. Was she capable of doing it? I think there`s more than one person

involved in this case.

JACKSON: Always about the evidence, Randy.

So finally we have the sound bite that I wanted you to hear, relating to the cell phone records. Let`s take a listen to that and then let`s talk

about it thereafter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EARLY: Mr. Chiklis` cell phone records placed him at 171 Packard Hill road in Ashburn, Massachusetts on June 23rd. Several search warrants were

executed at that address and evidence was gathered. After conducting several interviews, state police assigned to the Worcester county district

attorney`s office and the Ashburn police, arrested Julia Enright, 21 years old, of 171 Packard Hill road in Ashburn and charged her with Mr. Chicklis`

murder.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So Parag shah, how do you overcome that?

SHAH: Well, the cell phone record -- there`s no dispute that he was there. She even said in her statement that they hung out together that day.

Again, nothing linking her to his crime. Only link is to him being at the location and blood. If anything, like I said before, all they have a case

here is for is accessory after the fact, covering it up. They have no proof or shown any proof. And those cell phone records definitely don`t

prove that she committed a crime.

JACKSON: OK, they may not but you have, in any case, obviously, Parag, it`s not only one thing, it`s a compilation of things, right. So now, you

have a treehouse. It looks like it was cleaned up, you have blood there, she apparently based on her job deals in blood, there is blood all over the

place. Why clean the matter up, you know.

SHAH: She`s scared! There`s a dead body in her place, I mean, you know. And that`s why she didn`t kill him.

JACKSON: She didn`t kill him, but she`s scared and therefore wants to cover up everything.

SHAH: Somebody else may have did it.

JACKSON: Put blood in the treehouse, put blood in the car. Let me let you listen to more from the medical examiner and the observations there. Take

a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TERRY MCLAUGHLIN, WORCESTER COUNTY ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY: The New Hampshire medical examiner observed numerous wounds and ruled the death was

a homicide. She also stated they had spent the day together at her residence. She indicated that they had been drinking alcohol and that the

victim in that case had left to purchase narcotics but never returned. It was determined that the victim`s blood was present on the stairs leading to

the treehouse, on the inside of the treehouse, under the treehouse and in the defendant`s vehicle. When the rubber was removed, it appeared that

blood had seeped down through the floorboards of the treehouse down underneath.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[19:30:03] JACKSON: So Randy Sutton, us lawyers have a thing called circumstantial evidence that investigators like you gather and put together

that make for a compelling case. What say you as to this evidence that was just talked about by the district attorney?

RANDY SUTTON, RETIRED POLICE LIEUTENANT: Oh, there`s a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence. And you and I both know that plenty of

convictions for murder have been obtained on circumstantial evidence alone.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

SUTTON: You know, we have -- we have a limited amount of knowledge, though, about the -- about her statements, and that`s usually going to be

very critical when it comes down to making the determination to charge her with the murder. As I said, from what we`re hearing, there was a great

deal of violence done here. And I don`t know the physical characteristics. If she was capable of doing this by herself or if there was more than one

person involved. Remember, that a body was left out, the car was dropped off at another location, six miles away from the house. That doesn`t --

that tells me that there`s more than one (AUDIO GAP)

JACKSON: Yes, well, they`ll get to the bottom of it, and that`s why there are trials, that`s why there are defense attorneys, right? And so,

ultimately, we`ll see that justice is done. Both of you, stand by, pretty please, we need you for segments to come.

Now, the search for Mollie Tibbetts, she`s the Ohio College student who disappeared on an evening run. You see her there. It`s now stretching

into its eighth day. But will data gleaned from her Fitbit account be the lead that police are looking for to break this case? That`s next. Don`t

go anywhere.

[19:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: Tonight, the urgent search for a college student who disappeared while she was dog-sitting for her boyfriend. That`s 20-year-old Mollie

Tibbetts, she vanished over a week ago after she went for an evening jog. You see here there, and you see where it was, Brooklyn, Iowa. When she

didn`t show up to camp the next day, as a camp counsellor, her boyfriend, well, he sounded the alarm. Now, the FBI is on the search for the

notoriously friendly young lady. And after searching every property in the area, officials now say they`re getting data from her Fitbit, and they`re

trying to use that to track down exactly where she might be.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MITCH MORTVEDT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, IOWA DIVISION OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION: It tracks so many things about you, about the user. And

that`s what we are hoping to glean from any type of information from any of these social media apps.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So, joining me now, we have CRIME & JUSTICE reporter and its producer Michael Christian; Laura Calderwood, she is Mollie Tibbetts`s

mother, pleased to have her here, of course; and Mitch Mortvedt, he is the assistant director of the Iowa division of criminal investigation; and

defense attorney and author of "The Code," Parag Shah, he`s back. Michael, let me start with you. Take us through this particular case. How close

are they?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, HLN CRIME & JUSTICE PRODUCER: They`re just really not particularly close, Joey. We just don`t know what happened to this woman.

She just kind of vanished into thin air. It was a week ago yesterday, July 18th. She was, as you heard, babysitting for her boyfriend`s dog. He was

out of town working. She went out for a jog. She -- that was common to do that -- for her. She ran a lot. She went out, was seen in jogging

clothes, running, and just vanished into thin air.

JACKSON: That`s tough. Mitch Mortvedt, you`re the assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, could you tell us what`s

happening? We understand that there are a number of FBI investigators who are working this case, we understand that there are volunteers in the

community who are gracious enough to work the case. What efforts and resources are being deployed to find out where Mollie may be?

MORTVEDT: Starting on the local level with the Poweshiek County Sheriff`s Office, the agency I`m with, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation,

and the FBI, it`s a very cooperative effort. There`s probably in time, 35 to 40, 45 law enforcement investigators and officials. They`re working

this, and just going through evidence -- or going through information, you know, from the social media apps, from the Fitbit, cell phone records,

interviews by witnesses that saw Mollie running that evening and the area that we knew that she was in as she was exercising that night. And we`re

combing those areas, we had information come in that led us to search other areas out and around this community. Unfortunately, with no success. But

we`re still going to take that information and use that information.

JACKSON: So, are there leads coming in aplenty? How is that going with regard to the leads that are coming in? And is there any area or areas in

particular that the FBI and local law enforcement are focused on?

MORTVEDT: We are still getting some information in from the community, or from the public. You know, the family has done a phenomenal job of getting

the word out and spreading posters in various communities across the State of Iowa and of course, social media has also helped with that effort.

[19:40:08] We are concentrating on different avenues and areas that she exercised on -- or exercised in and around, and it`s just been a group

effort. The information that we`re going through now, that analysts are going through now is more of the electronic data that we`re getting from

the social media apps, from Fitbit, you know, Google e-mail accounts, cell phone records. And as we`re getting through that, that`s generating more

investigative leads for us.

JACKSON: And with regard to the Fitbit, what evidence from that are you hoping to gather that would lead you closer to where Mollie might be?

MORTVEDT: You know, generally speaking, since this is an ongoing investigation, we can`t -- you know, I`m not at liberty to discuss the

particulars of it. But these types of devices, so many people, most of us are familiar with, the types of things that they monitor and the types of

things that they (INAUDIBLE) track, which is location, you know, everything from heart rate to (INAUDIBLE) as far as walking, running, time of day, you

know, it`s all that type of information that we hope and together along with the eyewitness accounts, we can have a valid timeline as to where

Mollie was and pretty much what she was doing at the time of her disappearance.

JACKSON: Absolutely. We hope you get that. I want to bring in Laura Calderwood, she of course is the mother of Mollie. You know, obviously, we

pray and hope that she`s brought back and she`s safe and sound. When`s the last time you spoke with your daughter?

LAURA CALDERWOOD, MOTHER OF MOLLIE TIBBETTS: I saw her the day prior, the -- what, the 17th, and I was texting with her. I didn`t see her the day of

the disappearance but my communication was via text.

JACKSON: And Laura, just with regard to when she went jogging, was there a particular route that she would follow? I know she was at her boyfriend`s

home. I`m sure it wasn`t her first time there. Was there a particular area that she used to go jogging in?

CALDERWOOD: I mean, it was through the community of Brooklyn, but from what I understand, she changed her routes.

JACKSON: And have you had an opportunity to speak with any of her friends, or any of her associates, or anyone else who might give you a sense of what

she was doing, where she was at, and where she potentially could be?

CALDERWOOD: This DCI investigator can tell you. I mean, no one -- no one really knows anything. We know that she`s, you know, not off on -- you

know, she`s out there either, you know, potentially abducted, because she is not one to just leave and not let people know where she`s going. That,

I`m sure of.

JACKSON: And would she -- so she would let you know what she was doing, where she was going, the fact that she didn`t come back to her job,

obviously, that caused a major concern, right?

CALDERWOOD: That was a -- that was a major concern. That`s within 40 minutes of us finding out that she had not gone to her work, which entailed

20 minutes of me driving back from Grinnell, I had called 911 to report her as missing. I mean, I knew she would not go to her job and let someone

know why.

JACKSON: And Laura Calderwood, of course, we`re speaking to the mom of Mollie. Is there any particular plea you would like to make to the

community now that you have this opportunity?

CALDERWOOD: Well, I just want to thank everyone involved that has donated so much of their time and efforts, and you know, of course, anyone who has

any information that can lead us to Mollie, it is so important to us. And the best way to do that is through the sheriff`s hotline number which is

Poweshiek County Sheriff`s hotline which is being manned 24 hours. So, there`s always someone there to get that tip.

JACKSON: Thank you, Laura. And we have that number. It`s 641-623-5679. Again, that tip number is 641-623-5679. Laura Calderwood, we appreciate

you. Mitch Mortvedt, keep working so that we can bring her home safe and sound.

Now, we`ve seen some cars -- we`ve seen car chases and plenty of stories of auto thefts on this show. But few stick out more than this one. Now, this

is Lisa Luna, near Phoenix, Arizona. While she`s stealing a police car last January, and guess what, she was naked. There`s a new angle to this

story and we`re going to tell you what that is. That`s next. Don`t go anywhere.

[19:45:07] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:49:59] JACKSON: So, when you`re a police officer, it`s moment to moment on the job. Now, about 60 miles southwest of Phoenix, a deputy

lived that firsthand. A woman named Lisa Luna who you just saw was walking in the nude and approached Deputy Francisco Campio (ph) at the Maricopa

County Sheriff`s Office. Now, she told him that she had been sexual assaulted, a claim that she later recanted. Now, the deputy, trying to be

helpful, pulls a blanket from the back of the truck and when he returns, guess what, he finds Luna in the driver`s seat of the car. Now, the next

thing you know, she`s taking off with the deputy clinging to the pickup. She makes a quick U-turn and eventually, the deputy falls to the street.

Now, she ends up leading police on a 70 -- yes, 70-mile chase and later she says, I`m sorry.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LISA LUNA, STOLE DEPUTY`S AUTOMOBILE: I don`t know what it was that I had gotten from her but it put me on another trip. Like I felt like I was --

like, I want to say, possessed. I remember fainting a lot, I remember like a lot of yelling, commotion, like a lot of blurry in and out. If anybody

was hurt, you know what, I apologize. You know, I had -- I had no control over what was going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Joining us now and returning, Randy Sutton, retired police lieutenant; and of course, defense attorney and author of "The Code" Parag

Shah. So, I have to ask you, Randy, anything like this ever happened to you?

SUTTON: Well, yes, as a matter of fact, I have had similar occurrences. Nobody ever stole my patrol car, thank heavens. But you know, this -- what

happens in the heat of the moment when he was clinging to the car, he was trying to get her out of the car but this is where a lot of law enforcement

officers get hurt, and it`s better to let them have the damn car and catch them later.

JACKSON: Absolutely. Craziness that occurs. So, Parag Shah, I have to ask you, she got 27 months in prison, there was a plea deal, a little over

two years, right result?

PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, similar to what Rick James would say, meth is a hell of a drug, and with that and the fact that she had mental

health issues, she got a great deal. This was a great result and hopefully, she`s on the road to recovery.

JACKSON: Yes, you can only hope so. I mean, the reality in cases like this is that, you know, the mind is a very tough thing to lose and when you

add drugs to the equation, it makes it a little tougher here. I guess the good news, I think we could all say, Randy Sutton and Parag Shah, is that

the deputy was OK, and hopefully, she`ll be OK, and we will live happily ever after. But a crazy story indeed. So, stick right there, guys, thanks

for your input.

Now, some of you, I imagine, steer clear of big trucks on the highway because of situations just like this. Now, the dirt on this video, well,

that`s next.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: Every week, we honor everyday people who are doing extraordinary things. They`re doing work to help others in the community. And we find

these amazing people through nominations from you. Earlier this year, we recognized a doctor, Rob Gore, he`s an emergency room physician doing anti-

violence work in Brooklyn, New York. Now, meet the woman who helped him turn into a CNN hero.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I nominated Dr. Gore to be a CNN Hero because we grew up together, and then, I saw he`s doing all of these wonderful community

work. I`m very familiar with CNN Heroes. I`m a fan of the show. And as I was volunteering here, I said to myself, wait a second, CNN Heroes, Dr.

Gore, perfect match. And here we are. I`m so proud of my friend to see him excel in this way, and show the world what he does. So surreal, so

exciting, so rewarding.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Go to CNN Heroes to watch the full story or nominate someone that you think should be a CNN Hero.

"ONE MORE THING," just another reason to keep your eyes on the road and stay alert while driving because you never know what damages and dangers

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witness named (INAUDIBLE) during morning rush hour. Now, workers shut down part of the highway as they inspected the sign. The Florida Highway Patrol

reportedly says the truck`s hydraulics system wasn`t working properly. That`s somewhat obvious. Now, we`ll see you back here Monday night at 6:00

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