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A Shadow Over Europe By Anti-Semitism Is Making A Worrisome Resurgence In The Most Unlikely Of Places, Germany; The Frightening Final Moments, Investigators Reveal What Happened In The Cockpit Of Lion Air Flight 610 Moments Before It Crashed; Disturbing And Irresponsible, Top Geneticists Condemn The Chinese Scientist Who Claims He Created The First Genetically Edited Babies. Aired: 8-9a ET

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST, NEWS STREAM: I'm Kristi Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream." A shadow over Europe by anti-Semitism is making

a worrisome resurgence in the most unlikely of places, Germany. The frightening final moments, investigators reveal what happened in the

cockpit of Lion Air flight 610 moments before it crashed. And disturbing and irresponsible, top geneticists condemn the Chinese scientist who claims

he created the first genetically edited babies.

And we begin with "A Shadow Over Europe." Our extensive investigation into the rise of anti-Semitism on the continent. All this week, CNN is looking

into the surge in hate crimes and hate speech and some of the ugliest examples come from Germany. The country whose Nazi leaders killed six

million Jews during the holocaust.

Our CNN's chief international correspondent Clarissa Ward reports on the changing face of anti-Semitism there.

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CLARISSA WARD, CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN: It's a sight you don't expect to see in Germany in 2018. Hundreds of right wing extremists,

many Neo-Nazis marching through the nation's capital. "Close the border," they shout. "Resistance, resistance."

The far right is enjoying a major comeback here, bricking with it a troubling rise in Anti-Semitism. According to government figures, anti-

Semitic attacks have increased by 20% in the last five years. The number of violent right wing extremists has gone up by nearly a third. This man

tells us a shadowy cabal of globalists controls the world.

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WARD: So when you talk about elites and you talk about finance, is that another way of saying Jewish people?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

WARD: Yes. It is.

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WARD: "Let me say it this way. The banking system, for sure. Banks, finance, the economy, mainly Jews," he says. We have more questions, but

our conversation was cut short by one of the march's organizers.

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WARD: I think we have someone who is following us ...

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WARD: Making anti-Semitic statements can be punishable under German law. But Christian Weisberger explains that Neo-Nazis are finding new ways to

express the same old hatred. And he should know. Weisberger used to be a right wing extremist himself.

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CHRISTIAN WEISBERGER, FORMER RIGHT WING EXTREMIST: I would say that it is a form of anti-Semitism that disguises itself. So they don't talk about

the Jew anymore. They talk about the Zionists or the globalists on or the bankers.

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WARD: And they are growing more brazen. One man flashes a quick but unmistakable Nazi salute right in front of us, a crime in Germany. It's

important to remember this isn't any country. This is Germany. Just a few hundred yards from the march is a memorial for the millions of Jews

murdered here in the Second World War.

More than 70 years after the holocaust, Germany is still haunted by its past, and yet, remarkably, anti-Semitism is once again a growing problem

here with 50% of Germans agreeing that Jewish people are now at risk of racist violence.

The statistic comes from a CNN poll that finds half of Germans believe Jews are at risk of hate speech. At Feinberg's Israeli restaurant, owner Yorai

says he gets threats every day.

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YORAI FEINBERG, RESTAURANT OWNER: From murder to "I will break your knees, I'll break your arms, I'll break your teeth," they are very creative in

everything. All the options that they want to break.

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WARD: He was recently accosted by a man who told him Jews will end up in the gas chamber. "It's only about the money for you. You will pay," the

man says to him. "Nobody wants you here."

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WARD: He told you to go to the gas chambers or that you will go back to the gas chambers?

FEINBERG: Yes.

WARD: You've heard things like that before?

FEINBERG: I hear it very often.

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WARD: Germany has acknowledged that it has a problem, recently appointing its first anti-Semitism czar. Felix Klein is focused on creating a

nationwide system for reporting anti-Semitic crimes and on improving integration of Germany's different communities.

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FELIX KLEIN, ANTI-SEMITISM COMMISSIONER, GERMANY: Anti-Semitism has always existed in Germany, also and after 1945 and now, though, it is showing its

ugly face more openly. Things that people would never have dared to say in a bar or in a restaurant, in a private surrounding do it so now using

social media or the net.

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WARD: Germany has seen optics in Neo-Nazi activity before, most notably in the 1990s. While official statistics show that more than 90% of anti-

Semitic attacks nationwide are from the far right, there's a new element of concern for the Jewish community. The arrival of 1.4 million Muslim

refugees in the last three years.

Doran Rubin in the leader of Germany's small orthodox Jewish community.

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DORAN RUBIN, HEAD OF BERLIN'S KAHAL ADASS JISROEL CONGREGATION: The incoming of a lot of immigrants that have a different history and different

background and especially obviously coming from the Middle East have also, because - as well as a different attitude towards Jews.

KLEIN: When we talk about Muslim originated anti-Semitism, I think we can only win that battle with the help of the moderate Muslims. Without them,

this wouldn't be a successful fight.

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WARD: Overall, the Jewish community remains anxious.

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RUBIN; I think much more choose now and think again like can you call Germany our home and is it possible to live in this society? You can

notice that the question that might not have been asked five years ago is starting to pop up again.

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WARD: It's a question few in this country ever imagine would have to be asked again.

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LU STOUT: Now, to be fair, Germany has gone to great lengths to atone for the atrocities and to remember the victims. But new polling, commissioned

by CNN, shows how it faces the ongoing issues that Clarissa has highlighted. Some 55% agree, anti-Semitism is a growing problem in Germany

today. Some 50% people say Jewish people are at risk on of racist violence in Germany, and 16% believe most anti-Semitism is a response to the

everyday behavior of Jewish people.

Our CNN's Clarissa Ward joins us live now from London. And Clarissa, these statistics are troubling and it is truly shocking to find out even the

memory of the holocaust is fading in Germany. What can be done? What can remedy that?

WARD: Well, I think as you pointed out, and it really is an important point, Germany is going above and beyond to try to deal with this problem,

to try to contain anti-Semitism, to try to identify the various different sources of anti-Semitism, to try to improve education about the holocaust.

As you said, that statistic was very troubling, although within the context of the broader European picture, the Germans actually have a much better

education, a much higher awareness of the atrocities of the Second World War, which is not surprising given their role in that war.

And you heard from the anti-Semitism czar, the very fact that Germany has taken the step of appointing an anti-Semitism czar to deal with this

problem. This is something that Germany is painfully aware of. It is something that they are working hard to deal with and that's more than can

be said from some of the other countries in this survey. Although more broadly speaking, France is also aware of it, even countries like Hungary

which has been accused of using anti-Semitism and political campaigns have taken steps to at least try to combat this issue in their countries,

Kristie.

LU STOUT: Fighting anti-Semitism is an ongoing struggle. Clarissa Ward reporting live for us, thank you. We're getting more reaction from Europe

and from the US to CNN's anti-Semitism survey. The director of the Auschwitz Memorial in Southern Poland says this, quote, "The anti-Semitic

or xenophobic ideologies in the past led to the human catastrophe at Auschwitz seem not to have been erased from our lives today. They still

poison people's minds and influence our contemporary attitudes in social, political, ethical and other expects."

And from Washington, the Director of the US Holocaust Museum says, "The persistence of anti-Semitic stereotypes among substantial percentages of

Europeans is cause for concern. Although the fact that a majority of respondents feel government should do more to combat anti-Semitism shows

many understand the dangers this hatred presents."

The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu has also offered his thoughts on the survey. In fact, he sat down for an exclusive interview

with CNN's Oren Lieberman who joins us now live from Jerusalem, and Oren, what is Mr. Netanyahu's reaction to this alarming CNN survey?

[08:10:05]

OREN LIEBERMAN, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Kristie, the first word Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said was that he was concerned. But he didn't say he

was surprised. He pointed out that Israel does its own tracking of anti- Semitism in Europe and abroad.

But even without official surveys and polls, every Israeli knows that every Jew around the world knows there is anti-Semitism in Europe, in the US and

beyond. It's a simple fact of life here. But he was optimistic in the steps taken by European countries to educate and to combat anti-Semitism.

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: My concern, is I think anti- Semitism is an ancient disease in which it rears its ugly head. It first attacks the Jews, but it never stops with that. And then sweeps entire

societies. It's happened obviously in mid-century Europe, first in Germany and throughout all of Europe. And the consequences were horrible. Yes,

I'm concerned, but I think we have to fight it. And we are fighting it. And some of the - most of the European countries and governments, I commend

them for fighting anti-Semitism. They are right.

LIEBERMAN: It's easy to sit here and make statements and say never again every holocaust memorial day. But that's not going to end this. Do you

see the concrete actions that need to happen here on the part of European countries?

NETANYAHU: Well, let's distinguish between two things. First, the sources of anti-Semitism. There's old anti-Semitism in Europe that came from the

extreme right and that's still around. But there's new anti-Semitism that comes from the extreme left and also the radical Islamic pockets in Europe

that spew forth these lies and slanders about Israel. The only democracy in this entire region.

So, yes, I'm concerned with that. But again, what do I see? Number one, I see European governments, I spoke to Merkel, Macron, and May and others.

They're putting up a fight. I'm seeing this in Eastern Europe. I saw Viktor Orban in Hungary. He's opened up a center against anti-Semitism. I

saw Sebastian Kurz in Austria. He just held a conference against anti- Semitism and that's encouraging.

I'll tell you what else is important. The state of Israel is important. Because when we had no state, we were completely defenseless against anti-

Semitic forces that annihilated a third of our people. Every third Jew was destroyed. Well, today, we have a state, we have a capacity to stand up

for ourselves and to defend ourselves. And that ultimately is the best guarantor against anti-Semitism.

LIEBERMAN: You mentioned Hungary, one of the countries we polled. Poland as well. These are countries where anti-Semitic imagery dog whistle anti-

Semitism was used in everyday politics and yet, nevertheless, they have good relations with Israel. Their leaders seem to have good relations with

you. Is there a contradiction there? How do reconcile that?

NETANYAHU: Look, there are old tendencies that have to be fought. They keep coming back. It's like I describe anti-Semitism as like a chronic

disease. It can be fatal if you don't challenge it and it can be contained and reduced if you do. That's what I expect governments and leaders to do

and most of them actually do, do it. And I am --

LIEBERMAN: What about when those leaders both use that anti-Semitic imagery and are strong friends of Israel? Is there an issue there?

NETANYAHU: I don't think they should. I don't think they do. And I think that ultimately, the real issue is can we tolerate the idea that people say

that Israel doesn't have a right to exist? Which I think is the ultimate anti-Semitic statement.

The majority of the Jewish people are very soon going to be living in Israel. There are over six million Jews now living in Israel. So the new

anti-Semite say this, "Well, we're not against Jews, we're just against the state of Israel." The idea that Israel doesn't have - the Jewish people

don't have a right for a state, that's the ultimate anti-Semitism of today.

LIEBERMAN: Are you confident about the future of Jews in Euroep?

NETANYAHU: I think it has to be protected and we expect every government to act to protect Jews just a as they would act to protect anyone living

there, and many are. Individual Jews have a choice. They can always come here, but we respect their individual choice. But I also expect and

actually see that the governments of Europe - by and large, I have to say just about every one of them acts to fend off these attacks because they

are wrong in their own right and also they are wrong, they're dangerous for the society at large. And I'm glad to see this policy pretty much across

the board.

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LIEBERMAN: As for the results of the survey, they continue to make front page news here in Israel. Yesterday, you had the "Yedioth Ahronoth" one of

the largest newspapers here had it on the front page and then a two-page spread inside with many of the results as soon as the results were

released. And now, as those full results have come out, two more papers have picked it up as front page news as some of the commentators and some

of the analysts discussed the depths of the survey.

Again, it's not a surprise that there is anti-Semitism in Europe, still the results of the survey are quite striking.

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LIEBERMAN: Kristie, it's worth pointing out here that it would have been so easy for the Prime Minister to be negative, to be pessimistic based on

any of the results of our survey, and yet he did have faith in the efforts of European leaders to make sure that there are efforts, that there is

education to combat anti-Semitism.

LU STOUT: Yes, such an important conversation. Oren Lieberman, we thank you for bringing that interview to us here at CNN.

Now, on Thursday, we're going to turn our focus to France. It's home to Europe's largest Jewish population. Anti-Semitism has always been a

problem, but attacks have increased there in recent years. Clarissa Ward speaks to one woman who questions her family's future in France.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

WARD: Miriam and her family have considered moving from France, joining the more than 55,000 Jews who have left since the year 2000. In the

sanctuary of their home, they celebrate Shabbat, a ritual ushered in every Friday night by lighting candles and reciting a blessing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am scared for the future of my baby here. I hope that he will have a future here. And, you know, Jewish community is a part

of history of France, really. And so I think France, without any Jews is not anymore France.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

LU STOUT: Clarissa also talks with French government officials to find out what they're doing to counter this horrific trend. Just join us for the

next report in our exclusive series, "A Shadow Over Europe: Anti-Semitism in 2018," Thursday on CNN.

And you can find out more about anti-Semitism in Europe and the stunning results of the CNN poll on our website, just go to cnn.com/antisemitism.

Ahead, parts of Ukraine are now under Martial Law and there is an ominous warning from the country's president. Also ahead, we take a look at what a

new report reveals about what happened in the air minutes before that deadly Lion Air crash.

It's midweek here in Hong Kong. Welcome back. You're watching "News Stream." And we're learning more about the final moments on board the Lion

Air off the coast of Indonesia last month that killed 189 people.

A preliminary report released by investigators says that the pilots were engaged in a tug of war with the plane's automatic safety systems minutes

before it nosedived into the sea. The report also raised a number of questions including why the pilots did not follow the same procedure as

another flight crew which encountered a similar issue the day before. Officials are searching for the cockpit voice recorder which should tell us

about what the pilots were saying.

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LU STOUT: Ivan Watson joins us now for more here in Hong Kong and Ivan, according to this report, what brought down this flight?

IVAN WATSON, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: well, clearly one of the factors that contributed to this was something called run away stabilizer. Which is a

bit of an oxymoron. But basically, there's an auto pilot feature in this kind of Boeing that when the sensors on the plane are getting the wrong

data from their sensors, it sets into an automatic dive, the nose of the plane starts the to dive down and that contributed to what happened during

a flight that only lasted around 11 minutes.

Here is the data from the flight recorder that was published by the preliminary investigation, and it shows the very erratic altitude of this

plane during that short flight. And only 90 seconds in, the copilot radios to Air Traffic Control, 90 seconds after takeoff, and says there are flight

control problems, actually asks Air Traffic Control what the altitude of his own aircraft is. And then about two minutes after that, this automatic

nose down feature starts to kick in, pushing the nose of the plane down.

And just 20 seconds before the plane goes into its death plunge, the pilot got on the radio and in his final comments to Air Traffic Control, he said

five thou, short for 5,000 feet, the altitude he desired for the plane before it crashed.

Now, this next graph I'll show you shows the battle that was being waged inside the cockpit. And if you look on this graph, there is a line here

for the automatic down of the airplane's nose. That's the orange thing. Those bumps that you're seeing, those dips, that's every time the computer

tells the plane and forces its nose down. The blue line and those bumps are every time the pilot was manually wrestling with the controls and

trying to pull the plane's nose back up. Kristie, that happened more than 30 times in around 11 minutes. Suggesting this was a harrowing, terribly

frightening ride for crew and passengers before the deadly crash.

LU STOUT: So this struggle in the cockpit to regain control, that's what eventually brought down this plane and this wasn't the first time it

happened to this flight?

WATSON: No, it wasn't. And again, that struggle, it's analogous to if you are driving a car, if the accelerator keeps automatically speeding up the

car when you're trying to slow down, that's what it might be compared to. Or the cruise control running out of control.

But the crazy thing here is that the same problem happened to this same plane the night before on a flight from Bali to Jakarta, but that crew was

able to somehow turn off, turn off this automatic feature that results in runaway stabilizer. And the question that the investigators were asking,

how come the crew on the final deadly flight were not able turn it off? Another detail that emerged from the report is that for four days running

up until the crash, this plane was reporting, its crew was reporting false data coming in over its altitude and wind speed sensors leading at least

one aviation expert I've talked to, to say it's astonishing that this plane was not grounded before its final crash.

LU STOUT: Ivan Watson reporting. Thank you. Now, in parts of Ukraine, a 30-day period of Martial Law is now in effect. The extraordinary measure

comes after a clash at sea. Ukraine accuses Russia of attacking and seizing three of its ships, each side accusing the other of being the

aggressor.

Let's look at the latest developments here. Now, Martial Law has been imposed in areas that border Russia and others adjacent to places where

Russian troops are stationed. A court in Russian controlled Crimea sentenced 12 of about two dozen Ukrainian sailors captured by Russia to two

months detention

Ukraine's President warns that his country faces the threat of full scale war with Russia. Now, the two countries have been locked in long simmering

conflict since the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014. But Petro Poroshenko told CNN's Christiane Amanpour, he has Washington's support.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETRO POROSHENKO, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: Later this day, I speak with Secretary Pompeo and during this speech, we have full support, full

assistance, including military assistance. Full coordination would be necessary to do to protect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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LU STOUT: You're watching "News Stream" and still to come --

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SARA SIDNER, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: : How many of your friends have you had to bury?

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BARY WERBER, SURVIVOR: Too many to count.

LU STOUT: We're taking a closer look at the surge in violence against the Jewish community in America.

I'm Kristi Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching "News Stream" and these are your world headlines. Ukraine is now under Martial Law in areas it

says are under threat of invasion from Russia. The two countries are trading accusations after Russia seized three Ukrainian naval ships and

detained 24 sailors near Crimea on Sunday. Ukraine's President says his country could be facing a full scale war with Russia. US Senators will

receive a private intelligence briefing on the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the coming hours, but CIA Director Gina Haspel would likely

not be there. Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker, a Republican is calling for Haspel to attend amid reports that the White House is

blocking her from going.

Paul Manafort who briefly ran Donald Trump's 2016 election campaign strongly denies he ever met WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. "The

Guardian" reports that the men met at least three times including once in the spring of 2016. Those men feature in Robert Mueller's investigation

into Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

At the top of the show, we told you about the troubling rise in anti- Semitism across Europe. But fears are growing within the Jewish community in the US as well. Our CNN's Sara Sidner takes a closer look at the surge

in anti-Semitic violence in America.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not just concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism. I'm concerned about the rise of hate in our country.

SIDNER: A quiet Saturday morning, a prayer in reflection at Rabbi Jeffrey Myers's synagogue in Pittsburgh.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Contact. Shots fired. Shots fired.

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SIDNER: Savagely interrupted by gunfire.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has got an automatic weapon, he's firing at us in front of the synagogue.

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SIDNER: >> Anti-Semitism had blasted its way back into America's consciousness.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have at least four down in the atrium, DOA at this time.

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SIDNER: Barry Warber was praying inside the Tree of Life synagogue when bullets started flying. He hid in the closet as the gunman mowed down 11 of

his fellow worshipers.

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SIDNER: What is it like being a survivor?

WERBER: Sometimes I just feel dead inside. No feeling at all. And I hate that feeling. But it's there.

SIDNER: How many of your friends have you had to bury?

WERBER: Too many to count.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNER: It was the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in American history. The personification of a rising state of hate in this country.

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SIDNER: The Anti-Defamation League says anti-Semitism in America was already exploding, from Neo-Nazi marches to more subtle propaganda. In

2017, the ADL logged nearly 2,000 anti-Semitic incidents, a 57% spike in just one year.

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JONATHAN GREENBLATT, CEO, ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE: That's the single largest surge we've ever seen since we started tracking this data.

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SIDNER: The FBI, which only counts hate crimes reported by police saw an astonishing 37% rise in anti-Semitic crimes. Police in Pittsburgh say the

gunman's anti-Semitic fervor was spelled out on social media. One site in particular that attracts racists and Neo-Nazis because of its loose

policies on free speech. Experts say those sites have become echo chambers that are getting louder and helping motivate real life attacks.

The anger and misguided ideology of Neo-Nazis which has been permeating the dark corners of the internet now materializing on street corners and being

scrolled across the American landscape. Swastikas on a temple in Indiana, on a school in Colorado, on a school bus in Florida, on political signs in

California and on street signs in Nevada. Words of hate on a temple in California.

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SIDNER: What was spelled out here?

WERBER: Expletive FU, Jews, expletive again in red spray paint.

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SIDNER: An anti-Semitism expressed through bullet holes shot through a temple in Indiana. Cars were set ablaze at a Jewish cultural center in

Tennessee and across the country, posters are popping up on college campuses meant to instill Nazi ideals in young minds. Even the dead are

targets.

At 92 years old, Millard Bronstein knows the pain of loss.

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MILLARD BRAUNSTEIN, MOTHER'S GRAVE DESECRATED: I lost the love of my life.

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SIDNER; But he has never personally experienced anti-Semitism until this year when 175 tombstones at Jewish cemetery in Philadelphia were

desecrated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRAUNSTEIN: My mother's stone was knocked over and it was really very upsetting. I said how could this happen in America today?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNER: For the victims of anti-Semitism, the question is why has it returned with such a vengeance?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GREENBLATTE: Anti-Semitism is nothing new. What is new is number one, the public conversation. The charged atmosphere. The incredibly polarized

phenomenon in our society today.

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SIDNER: Experts say Charlottesville, Virginia, last year was a turning point. The moment the growing rise in racism and anti-Semitism went

public. Hundreds of while nationalists, Neo-Nazis and Klansmen took to the streets protesting the decision to remove a confederate statue. It was one

of several protests last year, but this was different. It began with a torch lit march on Friday night.

That turned into a violent confrontation the next morning between while nationalist and counter protesters. In the end, police say a man with Neo-

Nazi ideals killed 32-year-old Heather Heyer. Those who monitor Neo-Nazis say the aftermath may have encouraged the movement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.

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SIDNER: Especially because the President's lack of a complete condemnation of what happened was cheered by white nationalists.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRAUNSTEIN: Show me a good Neo-Nazi and show me a good Klu Klux Klansman, I mean, it just isn't there.

WERBER: Instead of saying, well there is wrong in both sides. How were we wrong? What were we doing wrong? Except praying. That can't be wrong.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNER: Barry Werber likens that kind of thinking to Hitlerism. He's well aware of the torture that regime meted out on a family member.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WERBER: He was used by the German scientists for experiments. They had literally cut the muscles out of his arms to see if they would regrow and

he had to live with that. Thank God I never had to go through that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNER: Hews have a saying about the holocaust, "Never again." After what he's been through, Werber is terrified it really could happen again. Sara

Sidner, CNN, Pittsburgh.

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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back. You're watching "News Stream." Irresponsible, disturbing, inappropriate, that's

how two of the inventors of a gene editing tools are describing a Chinese scientist experiment that helped create genetically edited babies.

Just a few hours ago, He Jiankui spoke here in Hong Kong in front of a summit on human genome editing. He said, he felt proud he used a tool

known as CRISPR to remove a gene from human embryos. He says twin girls were born a few weeks ago, their DNA altered to make them resistant to HIV.

And He said there is a possible third pregnancy still in its early stages.

But He Jiankui's trial falls far outside international agreements and ethical norms not to edit human embryos that will be implanted. Jennifer

Doudna is a biochemist at the University of California Berkeley and she is also a co-inventor of CRISPR. She was at the summit at the University of

Hong Kong where He defended his CRISPR babies claim and I asked her from what she heard was the process done properly.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

JENNIFER DOUDNA, BIOCHEMIST, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY: I think it's very hard to know what was actually done. He showed a lot of data

that went by quite quickly. It seems plausible to me that this has been done, but we did not see direct evidence that the children that were born

were in fact, had edited DNA.

LU STOUT: So more evidence is needed to be presented here. According to his claim, he says that the genes of these babies were altered using CRISPR

to make them resistant to HIV. And assuming the presentation, the claims are correct, we know that there are HIV treatments out there. So was this

even medically necessary?

DOUDNA: No, I would say it was not medically necessary.

LU STOUT: So what's your feeling about why he presented this today?

DOUDNA: I think it's very hard to know what his real motivation was. He presented it as though this was an option for parents that wanted to avoid

HIV transmission to their children. But that clearly is not - I don't think there's any way to defend using a brand new and experimental

technology when there are established ways of avoiding HIV transmission. So I don't think that reasoning makes sense.

LU STOUT: Yes, it was not, in your view, medically necessary. And we're not talking about test animals or lab rats. We're talking about children.

He mentioned their names -- Lulu and Lala -- on a human level, does it unsettle you knowing the technology that you helped to develop was used in

this way?

DOUDNA: Of course. I mean, I think it's very disturbing. It's inappropriate. It goes against all of the guidelines that were established

by the National Academy of Sciences report from 2017. And I think there's just no way to defend it.

LU STOUT: We know China wants to be a global technology leader and in China, there is often poor regulation or lax regulation. And that could

bring about cases like what we're talking about now, He Jiankui. Do you fear that your technology, that CRISPR, will continue to be exploited or

misused in China?

[08:40:00]

DOUDNA: I hope this is a wakeup call for everybody to recognize that this technology, while incredibly exciting and I think many of us here at this

conference are encouraged by the exciting data that we're seeing for other applications in biomedicine that don't involve embryo editing, I do think

that this is an important moment where we need to grapple with the responsibility of how to manage this technology going forward, not in just

one country, but globally.

LU STOUT: Do you fear that this claim by this Chinese researcher, He Jiankui will detract interest in the use of technology for effective

applications and ethical applications?

DOUDNA: I think it's important for people to understand that this technology is exciting. There are many people here at this meeting and, of

course, elsewhere who are using it in ways that are highly appropriate. And conducting science, doing experiments that are designed to eventually

lead to clinical trials for patients not in embryos, but to treat individual patients, that will potentially be very impactful.

And I feel excited about that, so I do hope that there is an appreciation that the technology remains exciting and robust and there is many ways that

it can be used that don't involve human embryo editing that I think will be good.

LU STOUT: Jennifer Doudna, thank you for joining me.

DOUDNA: Thank you.

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LU STOUT: The long journey is over for a Syrian refugee Hassan Al Kontar. He was finally granted asylum by Canada after famously spending seven

months stuck in the Kuala Lumpur International Airport. It is a complicated story that began while he was living in the UAE. Syria refused

to renew his passport after the Civil War broke out, and when his passport expired, he also lost his work permit and was eventually forced to leave

the UAE. He was granted a three-month tourist visa in Malaysia hoping to eventually go to Ecuador, but he was denied boarding and flew, instead, to

Cambodia where he was also denied entry. He then went back to Malaysia, but was told his visa had expired. So he simply had no place to go.

Kontar tried to make light of his situation when we spoke with him back in April.

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HASSAN AL KONTAR, SYRIAN REFUGEE: It's exhausting, but you get used to it. And I keep reminding myself that it's okay. I need to focus on the big

picture here. I never heard someone die because he slept on a chair.

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LU STOUT: Kontar was eventually arrested by Malaysian authorities for being in a restricted area without a boarding pass. Human rights groups,

they worked for his release and then now, finally, after his long strange ordeal, he is living in Vancouver with a sponsor.

And that is "News Stream." I'm Kristi Lu Stout. But don't go anywhere, "World Sport" with Patrick Snell is next.

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