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London Mayor Lashes Out at Trump; Mexico's President Open to Tariff Negotiations; Liverpool Dominate Tottenham in Final 2-0; Historic Floods Threaten Communities in Arkansas; New Challenges for Abortion Rights; Race to Find Climbers in Himalayas; Take Two for Trump and Elizabeth II. Aired 3-4a ET

Aired June 2, 2019 - 03:00   ET

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CYRIL VANIER, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Unwelcome: in a scathing editorial, the mayor of London says rolling out the red carpet for Donald Trump is un-British. This just ahead of the president's state visit to the U.K.

The push to limit abortion in the U.S.: more and more Republican states are passing restrictive laws. The strategy, take it all the way to the Supreme Court. We'll discuss with our panel.

Liverpool fans ecstatic after the Reds clinch European football glory, winning the Champions League final versus Tottenham. Expect more celebration like that on Sunday. The team is set to parade through Liverpool.

We're live from the CNN Center here in Atlanta. I'm Cyril Vanier. It is great to have you with us.

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VANIER: So the mayor of London is lashing out against Donald Trump hours before the U.S. president heads for England. Sadiq Khan has often been critical of Mr. Trump.

But in a new op-ed in "The Observer," he says, quote, "Donald Trump is just one of the most egregious examples of a growing global threat. The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard- won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal democratic societies for more than 70 years."

Khan also says Mr. Trump's divisive behavior flies in the face of the ideals on which America was founded and says it is un-British to be rolling out the red carpet for him.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump has been weighing in on British politics. In an interview with "The Sunday Times," he again praised former foreign secretary Boris Johnson on his bid to become prime minister, criticized outgoing prime minister Theresa May and her negotiations on Brexit and said that, if it were up to him, he wouldn't pay the $50 billion price tag for leaving the European Union.

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TRUMP: Well, if I were them, I wouldn't pay $50 billion. That's a big number. I wouldn't pay $50 billion. That's me. I'm only saying this from my standpoint. I would not pay -- that's a tremendous number.

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Some of these candidates are saying they'd walk away if they don't get what they want. Others are disagreeing.

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TRUMP: If they don't get what they want, I'd walk away. I would walk away. This is their decision. You're just asking my opinion. I would not -- if you don't get the deal you want, if up don't get a fair deal, then you walk away.

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VANIER: Mr. Trump also praised Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, pointing to his poll numbers, saying that he would send Farage to negotiate Brexit with the European Union.

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TRUMP: I like Nigel a lot and I think he's got a lot to offer. He's got a lot to offer. And obviously a lot of people agree with me because I saw his numbers and they were very good from a couple of days ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He'd be an asset in that negotiation?

TRUMP: I think he's an asset to your country.

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VANIER: Joining me now is Michael Shear, a CNN political analyst and White House correspondent for "The New York Times."

Michael, I don't know if you agree with me but, from Trump's perspective, this is arguably the best time to visit the U.K. since he became president.

MICHAEL SHEAR, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, sure, it's a good time. I mean, in some ways he goes there at a time when his political power vis-a-vis the leader of Britain is greater, right?

She's on the way out. He can come to England and at a time when the Brexit that he had so forcefully supported at the beginning seems like, you know, the forces supporting Brexit are on the rise as opposed to sort of having taken a back seat as they had before. So in that way, his arrival there is at an opportune time for him. VANIER: Yes, that's exactly what I meant. You look at the people that he has consistently backed, whether it is Nigel Farage or whether it is Boris Johnson. Nigel Farage did well in recent European elections. He came out on top. And Boris Johnson is now the front- runner to be the next British prime minister.

SHEAR: Right. And see, the way President Trump thinks is really all about himself, right?

What kind of reflection does European politics -- in this case, British politics -- have on his standing and the kind of movement that brought him to power?

And from his perspective, what he sees is the forces of populism, the forces of sort of anti-establishment politics, that sort of kind of brought him to the takeover of the Republican Party here in the States and ultimately to the presidency, are similar to the forces that are sweeping through Europe and have been for several years but they ebb and flow. And this is a moment --

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SHEAR: -- where at least from his perspective, it looks like those same forces are on the rise again. And I think he always relates it back to himself. So I think it makes him feel good.

VANIER: And it allows him to make the argument that his politics, not just himself but his politics, are validated by even voters in Britain. And, you know, that's the simplest reading really of Nigel Farage's Brexit Party coming out on top in European elections.

SHEAR: Right. And, look, I think it can be overstated. You know, you saw Steve Bannon, who was one of Trump's kind of earliest and biggest kind of strategic advisers, is over there in Europe, trying to make the case that this is sort of a wave that's sweeping across the whole world.

I think you've seen certainly some victories as in Farage but also other places, where the populist wave hasn't been as strong.

And so, you know, I think Donald Trump is never one for nuance. He's never one for coming across the pond and saying, look, you know, there's -- you know, things on both sides that argue for, you know, for a sort of nuanced view of politics.

No, he's going to come in and try to claim a complete victory the same way that he kind of claims complete victory here in the States.

VANIER: He's also not one for civility. In his previous interview, this one with "The Sun" on Friday, he called Meghan Markle "nasty" and his hosts are just going to have to contend with that.

SHEAR: Yes. Look, I'm no royal expert, so I don't know how they will react. But I got to say, as a person who has watched Donald Trump over these last 3.5 or so years, this was a pretty mild version of Donald Trump. VANIER: Sure.

SHEAR: I mean, yes, he used the word nasty, that's true. But he also said nice things about her and it seemed like the interviewer was kind of egging him on to try to say something, you know, against Meghan Markle. I don't know. My guess -- and it's purely a guess --

VANIER: The word he used, Michael, was "excellently." Meghan Markle will do excellently.

SHEAR: Right. So my guess -- I mean just the way these protocol visits usually go, I mean, is that the royals will probably not make an issue of that in any way publicly.

VANIER: Sure.

SHEAR: And, you know, maybe there's some private griping but I would be really surprised if that comment threw a monkey wrench in really anything coming with this visit coming up.

VANIER: I agree. I think that comment starts and ends at the time it was said. I don't think it goes any further.

There was also a lot in this article, gave us an interesting window into Mr. Trump's negotiating tactics. For instance, he said he would walk away from negotiations with the European Union if he were in Britain's shoes if they don't get what they want. And we can take him at his word for this. This is something he has done.

SHEAR: Well, I mean it's not only something he's done, it's the only thing he does. In essence, the sort of history of presidential negotiation in the Trump administration has essentially been one of threats and bullying.

And sometimes that has seemed to work, where he'll make threats and bully and sort of demand that he gets what he wants. And that causes the kind of negotiation, where he temporarily gets what he wants.

He got meetings with Chairman Kim in North Korea. He got at least a sort of a beginning of an approval of the USMCA, the new NAFTA agreement. And it's what he's trying to do with the tariffs now and the immigration issue with Mexico, which is to sort of use this blunt force threat of massive tariffs on every good coming into the United States from Mexico to try to get the country there, the government there, to do what he wants in terms of stopping immigrants from coming into the United States.

And, again, like that's -- he is almost unapologetic in his understanding that that's the way he views negotiations.

VANIER: Well, he explained, in fact, his strategy to "The Sun," saying, you've got to walk into any negotiation from a position of strength. And that clearly, as you say, is what he's trying to do with these threats of tariffs on Mexico.

Michael Shear, thank you so much. SHEAR: Yes, happy to be here.

VANIER: President Trump took to Twitter on Saturday to defend threatening Mexico with tariffs. He says the country allows millions of people to come through the country and invade the U.S. and asks if drug lords, cartels and coyotes are really the ones running Mexico.

Mexico's president calls the tariffs unfair but also says that he's open to negotiations. Our Patrick Oppmann reports from Mexico City.

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PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Mexican president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador on Saturday called for dialogue with the United States to try and resolve a growing dispute over whether or not the Trump administration will place tariffs on Mexican products that are sold in the U.S.

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OPPMANN (voice-over): The Trump administration accuses Mexico of not doing enough to stem the tide of illegal immigration to the U.S.

Mexico's government says that's just not accurate, that they have deported thousands of immigrants, mostly coming from Central America, and they've also given humanitarian visas for thousands of other immigrants to try to get them to stay in Mexico and not continue north.

All the same, though, the Trump administration says they continue to see thousands of migrants trying to cross into the United States, sometimes hundreds on a single day, and that Mexico simply needs to do more.

It's not clear, though, if tariffs are really going to have the effect the Trump administration wants them to because Republicans have criticized this. They have had pro-business leaders who have criticized this, saying it's going to make Mexico's economy -- drive Mexico's economy into recession. It's going to worsen economic conditions here and that could increase more immigration, more illegal immigration.

All the same, though, Mexico says they're doing whatever they can to try to reach an agreement. They have sent officials to the United States to talk with the Trump administration, that they are trying to establish a dialogue. It's not clear yet, though, if the Trump administration is willing to listen -- Patrick Oppmann, CNN, Mexico City.

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VANIER: The city of Virginia Beach, Virginia, is grieving after a deadly shooting rampage in a municipal building. It will hold a memorial service on Thursday for the victims of the attack. All but one of the 12 people killed were city employees, most of them with many years of service.

Four other people remain hospitalized and a police officer wounded in the shoot-out with the gunman, fortunately, was treated and then released. The gunman also died.

His family posted a statement on their front door but offered no clues about his actions. They told CNN that they were not aware he had any work-related problems.

Without clear-cut answers, the city at this moment can only mourn. Virginia's governor ordered state flags lowered to half-staff. President Trump ordered all U.S. flags lowered as well. The city's mayor vowed to help his city move past the tragedy.

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BOBBY DYER, MAYOR, VIRGINIA BEACH: Let me just say this. We will not be defined by this horror. We will go forward. We are a city of resiliency and resolve. The true character of our city is going to rest with our public, our citizens and our neighbors that we share borders with.

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VANIER: Dozens of FBI agents have now taken over collecting evidence in the case. Federal investigators say that the shooter used two handguns in the crime.

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ASHAN BENEDICT, ATF SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Working with Virginia Beach Police Department, state police and our partners with the FBI, we identified two weapons used in the shooting yesterday.

Both weapons are .45 caliber pistols. One was purchased in 2016. One was purchased in 2018. Both pistols were purchased by the shooter and all indications are they were purchased legally.

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VANIER: If police know the motive, they're not saying. We do know the shooter was a certified engineer in the public utilities department and had been with the city for about 15 years.

Co-workers say he was generally a quiet person who revealed no clues of what he was about to do; 11 of the 12 victims were dedicated employees, murdered at their workplace. The 12th was a contractor, coming in for a permit. Here are their names and faces. We'll be right back.

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VANIER: The Reds are about to take a victory lap through Liverpool. This after notching a 2-0 victory over Tottenham in Saturday's Champions League final in Madrid. They're now heading home for their victory parade. That is set for Sunday afternoon. It is an achievement that the players say feels almost too good to be true.

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SADIO MANE, LIVERPOOL FORWARD: I could not believe until now. So for me, it's just like I'm still dreaming. But, yes, I think I'm here now. (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is the next dream?

What is the next dream for you?

MANE: More focus to win.

XHERDAN SHAQIRI, LIVERPOOL MIDFIELDER: It's amazing. It's amazing we won the (INAUDIBLE) just amazing, just amazing after a long time to win the championship again and for me, especially, too, it's the second time. It's amazing.

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VANIER: Liverpool's first goal came right there from Mo Salah, who converted that early penalty. Then let's take a look.

Then Divock Origi scored in the final few minutes of the game to seal the victory. It seemed Liverpool had something to prove after that heartbreaking defeat against Real Madrid in last year's final.

As any football fan will tell you one team's victory means another team's defeat. Mark Bolton is with Tottenham supporters but we begin with Alex Thomas and the overjoyed Liverpool fans.

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ALEX THOMAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Liverpool fans are leaving now to join the party in the streets. But for much of the night here at Liverpool's exhibition center, it was as packed and as noisy as you would get in a football stadium.

Those here watching on the big screen because they couldn't be at the final in Madrid in person to see Liverpool beat Tottenham 2-0 in that Champions League final. But they were delighted for the team that they cherish as Liverpool claims the top title in European club football for a sixth time.

Only two teams have ever won it on more occasions. And it was a huge contrast in mood from 12 months ago, when I was up here in Liverpool, seeing 30,000 of their spectators watch on a big screen at their home ground of Anfield as they lost to Real Madrid. [03:20:00]

THOMAS: Now Jurgen Klopp, the Liverpool boss who was previously at Borussia Dortmund and Mainz, has finally shown that not only he is popular with his broad smile and cheeky German charisma but also he's successful.

He has a major trophy in the bag. It is confirmation of the work he's been doing here for several years now and for all the investment put into Liverpool by their American owners. The party is just getting started, that's for sure -- Alex Thomas, CNN, Liverpool.

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MARK BOLTON, CNN WORLD SPORT CORRESPONDENT: A hot summer night in an English beer garden in North London and the remnants of a party and a celebration that never really was. Tottenham failing to win their first European Champions League.

The dream, the fairy tale hasn't come true. Controversy surrounds the big call from manager Mauricio Pochettino.

Should Tottenham have started their talismanic center forward Harry Kane?

The England striker who took all the plaudits at the World Cup with the Golden Boot has been out since April the 9th with an ankle injury and the guy that all these people were hoping potentially would be fit to play.

But should he start?

Pochettino said yes. Most people here, to us, said no. Ultimately, Tottenham spluttered and never got going in the first half, Kane was not involved, maybe not his fault and Tottenham, behind early, didn't really recover.

When they found their feet and forced several saves, three in a minute (INAUDIBLE) late in the second half, it all looked a little too late because more on the man who most fans here wanted to start, the guy who got them into the final with a hat trick a few weeks ago, eventually came on to a loud cheer but didn't find the score sheet.

Liverpool did again and Tottenham's dream has come apart. They did it the hard way. The route to the final was littered with wonderful stories, great comebacks, some of the most entertaining football we've seen in a long, long time. It was all unexpected.

This, the club that didn't spend a dime, a cent, a penny last summer in the transfer window or in January. So to get this far unexpected, unprecedented if they'd won it but it didn't happen.

The pub couldn't pump beer halfway through the night. It, too, spluttered and stuttered behind the bar, I guess symptomatic of the night in North London in general, not a night to be remembered -- Mark Bolton, CNN, close to Whitehall (INAUDIBLE) in London. (END VIDEOTAPE)

VANIER: Even the pubs weren't working in London.

British fans took one on the chin in another sport Saturday night, boxing. British world heavyweight boxing champion Anthony Joshua suffered his first professional defeat and lost his titles. His stunning loss to Andy Ruiz Jr. is being called one of the greatest shocks in heavyweight boxing history.

Ruiz knocked Joshua down four times before the fight was stopped in the seventh round. Ruiz's victory makes him the first ever Mexican American heavyweight champ.

And roads are underwater, farmland is submerged as historic flooding breaches levees and threatens communities along the Arkansas River. CNN's Natasha Chen has the view from above.

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JOSEPH BLUNDELL, CROP DUSTER: This is my family's land right here. It was all underwater yesterday.

NATASHA CHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There's usually cattle all over Joseph Blundell's family property but he says most of the cows have now been moved to higher ground.

BLUNDELL: Financially, this area will be devastated probably three to five years due to the lack of income and not being able to produce any crops.

CHEN (voice-over): Crops like corn, soybeans, rice, which are distributed to other parts of the country. Blundell says he sprays pesticides and fertilizer for a living, so he'll have to find work in other states.

CHEN: Right now we're flying over Holla Bend, it's a wildlife refuge and it's close to where the levee breached. We can tell that the opening is already much bigger than it was just a day ago.

CHEN (voice-over): But this dam farther north is structurally sound, even with the unusual violent flow of water. Senator Tom Cotton grew up in this area.

SEN. TOM COTTON (R-AR): Well, it's hard to describe just how abnormal this is. If you go up the river a little bit to the Highway 7 bridge, there are entire baseball parks and even basketball goals now that are completely submerged underwater.

CHEN (voice-over): We saw Blackhawk helicopters dropping large sandbags, just one of the ways local, state and federal partners are trying to mitigate the damage. And however difficult the challenge is, the mayor says they'll get through this together.

JIMMY WITT, DARDANELLE MAYOR: This is Dardanelle. This is what happens. I can literally put a Facebook message out right now and, within 30 minutes, I can have 100 people. That's how much I believe in this town.

CHEN (voice-over): Natasha Chen, CNN, Dardanelle, Arkansas.

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VANIER: The U.S. is consumed by a debate over abortion rights. And with some conservative-led states passing new bills that restrict access to abortion care, it's becoming more relevant and more complex than ever. We'll get into all of that after the break.

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Welcome back. I'm Cyril Vanier. Let's look at your headlines this hour.

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VANIER: Lately in the U.S., there has been a flood of new state laws that restrict abortion rights even though abortion is legal in the country. That was confirmed by the landmark Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade.

It's worth spending a moment on Roe versus Wade. In 1973, the court ruled that it is unconstitutional for individual states to forbid abortions. The ruling says states cannot outlaw or regulate any abortion performed during the first trimester of pregnancy.

They can, however, regulate abortions during the second and third trimesters. The court came to that conclusion based on a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

All right.

So why is all of this coming up now?

State lawmakers are hoping that their laws will be challenged and that the Supreme Court will end up taking up the issue again. Now that the court is majority conservative, they see it as an opportunity to chip away at, perhaps even overturn Roe v. Wade.

In the past few months, several states have passed so-called heartbeat bills. Those bills ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which can be as early as six weeks. That is before many women even know they're pregnant.

Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Missouri all passed strict bills, some of which make no exception, even in cases of rape or incest. Other states have introduced legislation that's been stalled or rejected. And states like New York and Vermont have gone the other way, passing

legislation to protect abortion rights. On Friday, a judge ruled that Missouri's last abortion clinic can stay open, at least until a new hearing next week. The clinic was just hours away from being forced to close. Alexandra Field explains.

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ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A temporary victory for Planned Parenthood right here in St. Louis, Missouri. A judge has ruled that the clinic can continue to perform abortions at least for a few more days. The matter will be taken up again in court next week on June 4th.

What's at issue here?

Planned Parenthood's license to operate and perform abortions was set to expire at the end of the day on Friday. The state had not agreed to renew that license.

Planned Parenthood said it was part of a war on abortion in the state of Missouri, essentially saying that the process had become politicized and that the state was trying to regulate abortion out of existence.

The health department had said that the clinic had numerous violations and that there was an ongoing investigation and --

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FIELD (voice-over): -- that's why the license wasn't being renewed. But Planned Parenthood went to court, asking for a judge to intervene, asking for a judge to allow them to continue to perform abortions at this, the only abortion clinic in the entire state of Missouri.

So for now a judge has ruled that Planned Parenthood can continue to do that but the court battle will continue.

Why is this important?

Well, Missouri is one of just six states that has just one abortion clinic. It came within hours of being the only state in the country where there would be no access to abortion for women whatsoever for the first time in America in more than 40 years.

That would have happened without a law having to change. That would have simply happened as a result of this battle over an annual license -- In Missouri, Alexandra Field, CNN.

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VANIER: While some Republican-led states push to limit abortion rights, Democrat-led states such as Illinois and Nevada are expanding theirs. This week, Illinois' governor said he'd sign a bill that grants women the fundamental right to have an abortion. It repeals an earlier law that penalized doctors for performing the procedure and expands access to insurance.

And Nevada's governor signed the Trust Nevada Women Act, decriminalizing certain actions related to abortions. It also removed the requirement for doctors to tell women about the, quote, "emotional" implications of an abortion.

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VANIER: Joining me to discuss this, Michael Nau, an assistant professor at Catholic University of America. He's an anti-abortion supporter.

Also Andrea Young, the executive director of the ACLU of Georgia. She is an abortion rights advocate.

Thanks to both of you for joining us. It's not always an easy conversation to have. Maybe we start with a word on strategy.

Michael, the strategy of Republican states is to put themselves basically in blatant conflict with the Supreme Court.

Is that a good way to put it?

MICHAEL NAU, CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA: Well, I think when you look at the legislation that's been passed in Alabama and Georgia, it has been the intent of state legislators in those states to try to pass a law that would pose a challenge to the Roe v. Wade decision.

Now we can't tell with certain what cases the Supreme Court will hear or how they'll rule on any individual case. But I do think these laws send a very important message. I think they show that in conservative states, pro-lifers aren't really content to tinker at the margin. They support laws that provide solid, substantial protection for unborn children.

I think that again Supreme Court decisions are sometimes affected by public opinion and showing of these -- I think is a good strategy for pro-lifers.

VANIER: Since you mentioned public opinion, let's bring up a recent poll. We have a CBS poll from 10 days ago. It shows pretty unequivocally that two-thirds of Americans are in favor of keeping Roe v. Wade, that is the landmark Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in the United States in 1973; 67 percent of Americans want to keep it.

Michael, does that give you pause?

NAU: Well, polls about abortion are very fickle. When I look at these polls, I remember two things. First, hypersensitive Americans don't even know that Roe v. Wade dealt with abortion. Some people think it dealt with segregation or some other issue.

VANIER: I think by now they know.

NAU: We have data on this. There's not a lot but there is a significant fraction of respondents that don't realize that Roe v. Wade is an abortion related case. They don't realize that Roe v. Wade for all intents and purposes required abortion on demand.

When you look at polling that looks at more incremental measures, these common sense laws enjoy public support. I don't think these polls give people full implications of what the decision did.

VANIER: Andrea?

ANDREA YOUNG, ACLU OF GEORGIA: The data in Georgia are even higher. A recent "Atlanta Journal and Constitution" poll showed that 70 percent of Georgians support Roe v. Wade. These laws are passing because also of tremendous gerrymandering and voter suppression that's been going on in the southern states.

In Georgia in particular, we've spent eight years fighting voter suppression. The law in Georgia only passed the House by two votes. So these are not -- these are not popular measures.

People have taken to the streets out of concern for this. They're appalled that a precedent that has stood for nearly 50 years would be so blatantly ignored by elected officials who are sworn to uphold the Constitution and we are -- this law has not taken effect in Georgia yet and the ACLU is committed to making sure it will not take effect.

VANIER: Andrea, I want to make sure I'm reading this right. You're saying that the majority public opinion in Georgia, by your reckoning, is not --

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VANIER: -- represented by the Georgian state legislature.

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YOUNG: No.

VANIER: -- just because of how politics works in this country and gerrymandering --

YOUNG: Yes, and because of intensive voter suppression that makes it more difficult for younger people, for people of color, for new residents of the state, new Americans to be registered and cast their ballots.

VANIER: Do you think Roe v. Wade, Andrea, is on shaky legal ground?

Because if the strategy of Republican states is to push this to the Supreme Court and to force the Supreme Court to take up the abortion question again.

YOUNG: Yes.

VANIER: They would only overturn their own case if they find that the law behind it is shaky. YOUNG: I think the science behind Roe v. Wade is still sound and the reliance on the precedent is even stronger today than it was when Sandra Day O'Connor reaffirmed Roe in the Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision. She talked about how the role of women in society has so changed because of our ability to control our reproduction, to make our own decisions about when and whether to have a family or expand that family.

That women rely on that, our economic security, our role in this society as civic leaders, as full leaders in our economic system has very much been influenced by the existence of Roe v. Wade and our whole way of life now depends on a woman's ability to make these choices for herself without government interference.

VANIER: Michael, do you see the Supreme Court overturning itself or do you think Roe v. Wade is bulletproof and Republican states are overextending here?

NAU: I don't think Roe v. Wade is bulletproof at all but the Supreme Court tends to be a very small conservative institution. I think pro- lifers are heartened by the fact that Brett Kavanaugh has been -- the law to protect both mothers and their unborn children will receive a more favorable hearing.

There's a lot of energy on the pro-life side. We've seen the heartbeat international conference a few weeks ago get 1,300 people to attend. There was 1,000 people that came to Philadelphia a couple weeks ago to protest. So we're all very excited. We think we're going to do a lot of good as far as protecting the unborn.

Will Roe v. Wade itself be upheld?

We can't say.

YOUNG: So the idea that these laws are for protected women, Georgia has among the highest maternal mortality rates in the United States, I mean rates that are comparable to developing countries.

And where is the focus on that?

Where is the focus on really making Medicare, medical assistance available?

Half of our counties don't even have an OB-GYN. They don't even have a place for women to get prenatal care.

So this idea that this is about protecting women is completely belied by the facts of where the focus is. The focus is on controlling women's ability to make their private decisions and not on enhancing maternal health.

This bill does damage to maternal health. It does damage to the opportunities that women even who want healthy children have to continue that. We've had OB-GYNs training in Georgia say they will not practice here under these kinds of restrictions because they are not supportive of promoting maternal health. VANIER: Michael, I just want to hear what you have to answer to that before I wrap this up.

NAU: I think again the pro-life movement love them both and offer the best care possible to both women and their unborn children. You can have protective laws and good public health outcomes. Poland has good protective pro-life laws has low maternal mortality rates. So again, I think a lot of these -- the pro-life woman has believed in loving them both and providing the best care possible for both mothers and their unborn children.

YOUNG: These potential lives need the decisions of women on when this happens. When women make a decision to expand or have a family is up to women. It is not a government's decision. It is not the decision of someone putting their personal faith. It's the woman's faith that should make these decisions, not the faith of other people trying to force their views on how women live their lives.

VANIER: All right. Andrea Young, Michael Nau, I mean there's so much to say in these conversations. Obviously, as I said at the very top, it's not an easy conversation to have. But I so thank you both for coming on and having it.

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VANIER: The race is on to find a hiking team missing in the Himalayas. How this latest high altitude search is renewing concerns about the increasing popularity of --

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VANIER: Search teams are heading up one of India's highest peaks, hoping to find eight mountaineers missing in the Himalayas. An Indian guide, four Britons, two Americans and an Australian failed to return to base camp one week ago. As CNN's Nikhil Kumar reports from New Delhi, this latest incident comes during a disastrous season for Himalayan hikers.

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NIKHIL KUMAR, CNN NEW DELHI BUREAU CHIEF: A search is on the way for eight climbers, four Britons, two Americans, an Australian as well as an Indian national who went missing week ago during an expedition in the Indian Himalayas.

Authorities told CNN that the climbers were attempting to scale Nanda Devi East, that stands at just over 24,000 feet. In comparison, the tallest peak in the world, Mt. Everest, stands at just over 29,000 feet.

The eight climbers have been missing since the 25th of May, when they didn't show up at the base camp. They were part of a larger group of 12 people, who left for the mountain on the 13th of May.

A local official says the trekking company behind the expedition waited a few days before alerting Indian authorities, who have now dispatched multiple search teams to look for the missing climbers. A military aircraft is also expected to be sent up on Sunday to help with the search effort.

The news comes on the heels of tragic developments in recent weeks with the death of 11 climbers on Everest this year, amid extraordinary images of queues of people waiting to get to the summit.

Here in India, we don't yet know exactly what happened at the mountain. We're still waiting to find out whether the climbers went missing during the ascent or descent and what caused their disappearance -- Nikhil Kumar, CNN, New Delhi.

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VANIER: America's president heads back to Britain on Monday.

Why small talk --

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VANIER: -- with the queen could get a little awkward. Stay with us.

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VANIER: President Donald Trump heads to the U.K. Monday for a state visit. The outspoken U.S. leader may want to temper his remarks, especially when it comes to certain subjects. Our Jeanne Moos explains.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Whether attending a state dinner with the queen or getting pointers from Her Majesty, we have a few pointers of our own about topics President Trump should avoid.

Don't apologize for the last time you reviewed the guard together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He broke royal protocol by walking in front of the queen but she quickly stepped forward.

MOOS (voice-over): No point in reminding her of all those jokes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's cutting her off like he's trying to beat her to the early bird special.

MOOS (voice-over): Be especially careful, Mr. President, not to mention the tweet you posted about Prince William's wife back when French paparazzi shot her sunbathing nude.

"Only herself to blame," you wrote. "Who wouldn't take Kate's picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on, Kate."

And definitely don't bring up what Howard Stern --

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MOOS (voice-over): -- coaxed you to say about Lady Diana two decades ago.

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HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: Would you have slept with her?

TRUMP: Without even hesitation. Lady Di had supermodel beauty.

Really?

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MOOS (voice-over): And positively leave out the part where you said she was crazy.

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TRUMP: She was crazy but, you know, these are minor details.

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MOOS (voice-over): Another detail?

After recently giving birth, Meghan Markle isn't expected to be on hand for the state visit. But maybe the royals should stay mum about what Meghan once said about Trump.

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MEGHAN MARKLE, DUCHESS OF SUSSEX: With as misogynistic as Trump is and so vocal about it.

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MOOS (voice-over): And don't remind the president of that 2017 parliamentary debate about whether he should be invited for a state visit.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pimping out the queen for the Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First of all, I don't think it's in order to refer to pimping out our sovereign.

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MOOS (voice-over): And most of all, royals, keep President Trump away from a TV, where he might see this promo for coverage of his visit. It could cast a shadow on the festivities -- Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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VAUSE: One more thing before I let you go. A woman in Florida had a rude wake-up call early Friday morning. Look at this.

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VANIER (voice-over): She found herself staring at a growling alligator, 10 feet long, more than 3 meters, complete with an enormous mouth full of fangs. It had smashed a window to get into her home.

While the woman hid in her bedroom, she called police, who brought in a trapper to drag the creature away. The reptile is now headed to a private alligator farm.

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VANIER: All right. That's it for me. Thank you for joining us. I'm Cyril Vanier. Remember to connect with me anytime on Twitter. The news continues with George Howell. You're in great hands. Have a good day.

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